gEDA-user: pcb DRC

2010-03-19 Thread Duncan Drennan
I am busy completing a board with the latest version of PCB and ran
the DRC - the new DRC is awesome! I know it has been around for a
while, this is just the first time I've used it and it is such a
pleasure compared to the old version. I can actually find the
violations quickly and easily.

Thanks to all the people who contributed to it. IIRC, thanks
especially to Peter C.

Regards,
Duncan

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Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-19 Thread Jim

John Griessen wrote:

Anthony Blake wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Windell H. Oskay 
wind...@oskay.net wrote:

Also, can anyone think of a new name for the toporouter? There is
already a commercial tool called the 'toporouter', which I don't want
us to be confused with.



untangler
runtangler  ( route untangler)
grouter (gnu router)   grout grout grout...
groroute(gnu re-ripping organic route tool)
growroute   (gnu re-arranging organic wire router)
goroute   (gnu organic  route tool)
routeknot  ( route knot want not)
greenlight
sigroute
vinerouter
liquidroute
streamroute
flowroute
lamroute   (laminar algorithm mapping router)
ziptrace
curveroute
wraproute


John



There's a man with a lot of time on his hands!

Jim.


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gEDA-user: Distributed Symbols for Complex Devices(like Processors). How?

2010-03-19 Thread Felipe De la Puente Christen
Hello guys,
I'm creating a symbol for an AT91SAM9G45 ARM9 Processor from Atmel. The
device has 324 terminals. I need to split the symbol into several 32pin
sub-symbols like SAM9G45A, SAM9G45B... and so on using a single shared
footprint. What's the better way to achieve this with gschem?

Another question I have is: My schematic is divided in several files,
since the documentation let me think it's possible to make a single PCB
from multiple schematics. Is it possible to print a single postscript
schematic file from the multiple *.sch input files directly from gschem?

That's all for now. Many thanks for your help. Hope to be able to
contribute to the project in the near future.

Best Regards, Felipe.

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Re: gEDA-user: pcb DRC

2010-03-19 Thread Andrew Miner
From: Duncan Drennan [mailto:duncan.dren...@gmail.com] 
Subject: gEDA-user: pcb DRC

... the new DRC is awesome! ... and it is such a
pleasure compared to the old version. I can actually find the
violations quickly and easily.

I agree that the new version is great to use and makes it so much easier to
find mistakes!  The only thing I miss from the old version is how the
coordinate locations were displayed.  When you are working on a big
multilayer board with planes, it can sometimes take a minute to find the
blue or maroon square the picture is showing.

Keep up the great work with PCB and gEDA!

Andrew Miner



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Re: gEDA-user: Distributed Symbols for Complex Devices(like Processors). How?

2010-03-19 Thread DJ Delorie

 sub-symbols like SAM9G45A, SAM9G45B... and so on using a single shared
 footprint. What's the better way to achieve this with gschem?

Commonly done.  Create multiple symbols, give each the same refdes,
they get combined by gnetlist automatically.

 Is it possible to print a single postscript schematic file from the
 multiple *.sch input files directly from gschem?

You mean a single pdf, or multi-page ps?  What most people do is
generate one *.ps for each *.sch, then merge them with a psmerge-type
utility, usually from within a makefile or script.


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Re: gEDA-user: GSoC -- Not accepted :-(

2010-03-19 Thread Mike Bushroe
   I have recently joined another open-source, open-hardware group working
   on self-replicating rapid prototypers ([1]RepRap) they were also hoping
   to get supported in this years Google Summer of Code. And I think that
   they have a worthy project (and have already addicted me to trying to
   make and improve my own designs), but they started building an
   application way to late, and also missed the boat this year. Maybe
   next. There is still a HUGE amount of development to go.
   Mike

References

   1. http://www.reprap.org/wiki/WebHome


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Re: gEDA-user: GSoC -- Not accepted :-(

2010-03-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 11:23 -0700, Mike Bushroe wrote:
 I have recently joined another open-source, open-hardware group working
on self-replicating rapid prototypers ([1]RepRap) they were also hoping
to get supported in this years Google Summer of Code. And I think that
they have a worthy project (and have already addicted me to trying to
make and improve my own designs), but they started building an
application way to late, and also missed the boat this year. Maybe
next. There is still a HUGE amount of development to go.
Mike

Perhaps you could teach them the virtues of using Open Source software
to make their replicating robots.. gEDA (or KiCAD) over Eagle any day!

Reliance on commercial / cripple-ware tools where a open alternative is
available is a big fail for such an otherwise great project. 

Regards,

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Peter Clifton

Electrical Engineering Division,
Engineering Department,
University of Cambridge,
9, JJ Thomson Avenue,
Cambridge
CB3 0FA

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Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me)



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Re: gEDA-user: pcb DRC

2010-03-19 Thread Duncan Drennan
 I agree that the new version is great to use and makes it so much easier to
 find mistakes!  The only thing I miss from the old version is how the
 coordinate locations were displayed.  When you are working on a big
 multilayer board with planes, it can sometimes take a minute to find the
 blue or maroon square the picture is showing.

Double-clicking moves the cursor to the violation.


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gEDA-user: Need boards for toporouter tests

2010-03-19 Thread Anthony Blake

Hi,

If you have boards containing a mix of routed and unrouted nets, and 
they currently don't work with the toporouter, could you please send 
them to me to use as tests (privately is OK, if you don't want them 
public)?


I've just started working on the code to handle existing traces and 
planes in the toporouter, and I'm going to need a range of boards for 
testing at some stage today.. It would really help if people sent some 
in, so I don't have to spend an hour or so scratching around the net for 
test cases..


Cheers,
Anthony


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Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-19 Thread Anthony Blake

John Griessen wrote:

kai-martin knaak wrote:

Anthony Blake wrote:


greenlight   ---



I'd strongly suggest to invent a new word rather than take an existing
buzzword. The term greenlight currently yields 1.5 Mio google hits. 
A greenlight router would be almost as invisible to internet searches

as pcb ;-)


Oh, it wouldn't be that bad.  Pcb is the tool's category name as well as 
being a
common term.  Searching for greenlight router would narrow down just 
fine.


I would have liked to use the name 'greenstone', which has special 
meaning for NZ.. it is a type of jade only found here. Unfortunately my 
uni supervisor has already used that name for a project: 
http://www.greenstone.org/


Maybe we could call it the greenstone router?

Cheers,
Anthony



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Re: gEDA-user: Need boards for toporouter tests

2010-03-19 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 12:54 +1300, Anthony Blake wrote:
 Hi,
 
 If you have boards containing a mix of routed and unrouted nets, and 
 they currently don't work with the toporouter, could you please send 
 them to me to use as tests (privately is OK, if you don't want them 
 public)?
 

Feel free to try my DSO board (fully routed) from

http://www.ssalewski.de/DAD.html.en

-- maybe a too big challenge? That took me about 500 hours for manually
routing, some day your router will manage it in a few minutes. Would be
great!

(Currently the board does not contain the layer colors, you may pick
them from http://www.ssalewski.de/tmp/PCB-DAD-Colors)




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Re: gEDA-user: Need boards for toporouter tests

2010-03-19 Thread Anthony Blake

Stefan Salewski wrote:

Feel free to try my DSO board (fully routed) from

http://www.ssalewski.de/DAD.html.en

-- maybe a too big challenge? That took me about 500 hours for manually
routing, some day your router will manage it in a few minutes. Would be
great!


Thanks.. thats a nice layout =) Probably a little too complex for the 
moment, but something to aim towards.


Cheers,
Anthony


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Re: gEDA-user: picking a googlized name

2010-03-19 Thread Ouabache Designworks
 Message: 8
 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:59:37 +1300
 From: Anthony Blake [1]tony...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?
 To: gEDA user mailing list [2]geda-u...@moria.seul.org
 Message-ID: [3]4ba40fe9.1020...@googlemail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 John Griessen wrote:
  kai-martin knaak wrote:
  Anthony Blake wrote:
 
  greenlight   ---
 
  I'd strongly suggest to invent a new word rather than take an
 existing
  buzzword. The term greenlight currently yields 1.5 Mio google
 hits.
  A greenlight router would be almost as invisible to internet
 searches
  as pcb ;-)
 
  Oh, it wouldn't be that bad.  Pcb is the tool's category name as
 well as
  being a
  common term.  Searching for greenlight router would narrow down
 just
  fine.
 I would have liked to use the name 'greenstone', which has special
 meaning for NZ.. it is a type of jade only found here. Unfortunately
 my
 uni supervisor has already used that name for a project:
 [4]http://www.greenstone.org/
 Maybe we could call it the greenstone router?
 Cheers,
 Anthony
 

   If you want to be found by google then follow the lead of the TV show
   numb3rs.
   Type that in and the show pops right up. Maybe we could set up a test
   page with
   some candidate names in the keywords to see what happens with a search.
   In today's world you pick the names that the search engines like or
   nobody will
   ever find you
   John Eaton

References

   1. mailto:tony...@gmail.com
   2. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org
   3. mailto:4ba40fe9.1020...@googlemail.com
   4. http://www.greenstone.org/


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Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-19 Thread Dan McMahill

Anthony Blake wrote:

John Griessen wrote:

kai-martin knaak wrote:

Anthony Blake wrote:


greenlight   ---



I'd strongly suggest to invent a new word rather than take an existing
buzzword. The term greenlight currently yields 1.5 Mio google hits. 
A greenlight router would be almost as invisible to internet searches

as pcb ;-)


Oh, it wouldn't be that bad.  Pcb is the tool's category name as well 
as being a
common term.  Searching for greenlight router would narrow down just 
fine.


I would have liked to use the name 'greenstone', which has special 
meaning for NZ.. it is a type of jade only found here. Unfortunately my 
uni supervisor has already used that name for a project: 
http://www.greenstone.org/


Maybe we could call it the greenstone router?


I like that name.

There is also a greenstone which is unique to the Ely, Minnesota (USA) 
area.  http://www.tc.umn.edu/~smith213/new_page_9.htm


-Dan



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Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-19 Thread John Griessen

Dan McMahill wrote:

Anthony Blake wrote:
I would have liked to use the name 'greenstone', which has special 
meaning for NZ.. it is a type of jade only found here. Unfortunately 
my uni supervisor has already used that name for a project: 
http://www.greenstone.org/


Maybe we could call it the greenstone router?


I like that name.


Sounds good, and if a NZ stone, its a natural.

Reminds me of a rock name from near me with
local meaning, a kind
of granite that is grey with blue flecks found
near Llano Texas called llanite.  Llano
is named after Spanish explorer Coronado's staked plain where
he drove stakes to mark distance on the American
great plains which swwep down to near Llano.
LLano is bumpy hilly though -- the end of the plains.

John


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