Re: gEDA-user: OT: Bike Alarms
Armin Faltl wrote: I thought my hint about being a product and advertising was self explanatory. You think, that this is a cool device, because it won't be found. If it's a product and get's advertised, every reasonable bike thieve will know about and look for it. Lojack gets results for cars. There's bound to be some way to do something that fits in with what happens with bikes. Why give up so easy? Taking the headset off a bike is not too long or difficult on some kinds. That might be an access point for some RF transparent frames. A thief would not get results taking headsets off bikes he wanted to take... so it's not a dead end. JG ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
Armin Faltl wrote: I thought my hint about being a product and advertising was self explanatory. You think, that this is a cool device, because it won't be found. If it's a product and get's advertised, every reasonable bike thieve will know about and look for it. Lojack gets results for cars. There's bound to be some way to do something that fits in with what happens with bikes. Why give up so easy? Taking the headset off a bike is not too long or difficult on some kinds. That might be an access point for some RF transparent frames. A thief would not get results taking headsets off bikes he wanted to take... JG ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
I thought my hint about being a product and advertising was self explanatory. You think, that this is a cool device, because it won't be found. If it's a product and get's advertised, every reasonable bike thieve will know about and look for it. Either it's in an accessible place and flys into the next garbage bin after 30 seconds, or you have to cut your cool carbon frames appart to install it in place where a simple iron rod can't incapacitate it. Just my 2 Cents, Armin Bert Timmerman wrote: Hi, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of David C. Kerber Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:48 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint Yeah, I was thinking the same thing; I've got a fair amount invested in my bikes... -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of John Griessen Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:03 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint David C. Kerber wrote: If you've got a carbon frame, you could drop it into the seat tube, where it would never be seen, and therefore never removed by a thief... This really does sound like a product since bikes can cost these days. John Yes, it's viable a product. Insuring against theft for a EUR 700 bike may cost me EUR 98 per 3 years without Biketheft Protection Chip (BPC), and EUR 85 with BPC for the same period. Maybe you can guestimate the price any consumer in my area would pay for your device ;-) based on above figures. Bike theft is one of the most commited (and not resolved) crimes in the Netherlands. Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: OT: Bike Alarms
Hi, > -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of John Griessen > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:41 PM > To: gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: OT: Bike Alarms > > David SMITH wrote: > > John Griessen wrote: > >> David C. Kerber wrote: > >>> If you've got a carbon frame, you could drop it into the > seat tube, > >>> where it would never be seen, and therefore never removed by a > >>> thief... > >> This really does sound like a product since bikes can cost > these days. > > > > Not to put too much of a spanner in the works, but... > > > > Where does the power come from? > > a 1 inch square solar panel. Solar panels made of flexible > film exist, but are not robust. They'll get better. > > David SMITH wrote: > > Of course, we also have the problem of getting a decent > GPS fix, since > if it's stolen, it will need to get enough > signal to report its > position, and if it's being stored > inside a building, that's going to be > very difficult, > > Instead of relying on GPS, another tactic discussed so far > was to monitor closeness to various safe zones, where it can > communicate with a base station. Then the task becomes > decide when to alarm and contact the cell phone towers. > Trying to contact and getting no signal could be quick and a > low power drain. Without communication there would be no > need to go into mode 3. get a GPS fix, (or not), and send > status to a phone number. If GPS was unavailable, it might > be possible to track by phone calls to the bike, if the cell > phone company cooperated, i.e. after police were involved. > > JG > -- > Ecosensory Austin TX > tinyOS devel on: ubuntu Linux; tinyOS v2.0.2; telosb ecosens1 > > I like the "toothbrush power supply" idea of Gene. Another tactic may be to elongate the reporting interval when the "bike under thread" remains in a assigned "safe zone" (for bike theft there are no safe zones in the Netherlands). It could work with timing intervals of 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour, 2 hours etc. When a bike is in the "safe zone" for 15 minutes for two adjacent periods of time, switch to 30 minutes intervals etc. Just my EUR 0.02 on the subject. Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
Hi, > -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of David C. Kerber > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:48 PM > To: gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint > > Yeah, I was thinking the same thing; I've got a fair amount > invested in my bikes... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of John Griessen > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:03 PM > > To: gEDA user mailing list > > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint > > > > David C. Kerber wrote: > > > If you've got a carbon frame, you could drop it into the > > seat tube, where it would never be seen, and therefore > never removed > > by a thief... > > > > This really does sound like a product since bikes can cost > these days. > > > > John > > Yes, it's viable a product. Insuring against theft for a EUR 700 bike may cost me EUR 98 per 3 years without Biketheft Protection Chip (BPC), and EUR 85 with BPC for the same period. Maybe you can guestimate the price any consumer in my area would pay for your device ;-) based on above figures. Bike theft is one of the most commited (and not resolved) crimes in the Netherlands. Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
