gEDA-user: GL branch of pcb
Does anyone know where the amazing 3D branch of pcb went? I installed it a while back from repo.or.cz, but it doesn't seem to be there any more and I can't find it simply by googling around. Sorry for the question, at least this thread should be resolved quickly. Are people working with this version in general? For more than 2 layres, I find that the translucency is *really* is helpful, so it would be a shame not to migrate across to this. -- ╒═╕ Andrew Whyte MEng CEng ╘═╛ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GL branch of pcb
Apologies to all. I have found it here: http://repo.or.cz/w/geda-pcb.git I think that repo.or.cz have changed thier URI. On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:35 AM, andrew whyte ajwh...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know where the amazing 3D branch of pcb went? I installed it a while back from repo.or.cz, but it doesn't seem to be there any more and I can't find it simply by googling around. Sorry for the question, at least this thread should be resolved quickly. Are people working with this version in general? For more than 2 layres, I find that the translucency is *really* is helpful, so it would be a shame not to migrate across to this. -- ╒═╕ Andrew Whyte MEng CEng ╘═╛ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- ╒═╕ Andrew Whyte MEng CEng ╞═╡ @ - a...@paramita-electronics.com ⌨ - www.paramita-electronics.com ☎ - +44 (0) 79 81 01 61 85 ╘═╛ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gcshem to magic
OK So I am trying to generate a netlist for magic (I know this is not quite gEDA), but I can't find any documentation on magic's netlist format. Does anyone know what the format is. It looks like it a net follows this format [instance]/[port] [instance]/[port] [instance]/[port] But how do I create a new net. Initially I thought it was a blank line, but the router appears to think these are all the same net. Oliver __ From: John Doty j...@noqsi.com To: gEDA user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 7:20:28 PM Subject: Re: gEDA-user: gcshem to magic On Aug 1, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Oliver King-Smith wrote: I have some analog circuits in gschem that I want to layout in the magic vlsi tool. Is there a good way to go from gschem to magic? For example it would be nice to generate transistors automatically (give w, l, and m) and then add port names for S,D,G,B. Likewise it would be nice to produce a magic compatible netlist, so the interactive router can then be used once the cells are placed. Please let me know if there is a recommended way of doing this? If you think there is a better way to tackle this problem please let me know. gnetlist is the tool for exporting netlists to other tools, using back ends for the specific export problem. It appears nobody has written a back end for magic. Back ends are not terribly difficult to write. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. [1]http://www.noqsi.com/ [2]...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list [3]geda-u...@moria.seul.org [4]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user References 1. http://www.noqsi.com/ 2. mailto:j...@noqsi.com 3. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org 4. http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: New icon set and UI changes
Hey all, I have drawn a new icon set for PCB. Screenshot here: http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9031/pcbicons.png I am happy to provide a patch to use these icons by default - however, I have a few concerns: 1. They will likely take up too much space on low resolutions. Does anyone do CAD on low-res monitors? 2. Even with decent resolution, they take up a lot of horizontal space with the default view. Thoughts? Comments? A couple other ideas I have: * replacing the layer switcher with one similar to GIMP's (select box with icons for visibility/locked) * doing something similar with the route-style switcher, showing the line and via sizes in the select list I'm happy to do the work for these changes, but would there be popular support for such intrusive UI changes? Just throwing this out there. Andrew ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: New icon set and UI changes
Andrew Poelstra as...@sfu.ca wrote: Hey all, I have drawn a new icon set for PCB. Screenshot here: http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9031/pcbicons.png ... One more thing - I spent more time on the Lock icon than all the others combined, and it still looks awful. If anyone wants to take a crack at it, please do. Andrew ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: New icon set and UI changes
On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 12:39 -0700, Andrew Poelstra wrote: Hey all, I have drawn a new icon set for PCB. Screenshot here: http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9031/pcbicons.png I am happy to provide a patch to use these icons by default - however, I have a few concerns: 1. They will likely take up too much space on low resolutions. Does anyone do CAD on low-res monitors? 2. Even with decent resolution, they take up a lot of horizontal space with the default view. Thoughts? Comments? For large boards (http://www.ssalewski.de/b1.png) I like to have much room for the PCB available -- so your icons may indeed consume too much space. Is there an option to turn of text? For pcb 2009 snapshot icons are at the left side, I think this may be better, because many monitors now are 16/9 form factor, width screen. It would be fine to leave no room unoccupied, i.e below layers icons, maybe you should try to propose a complete now screen layout? A couple other ideas I have: * replacing the layer switcher with one similar to GIMP's (select box with icons for visibility/locked) Again, we should not waste space. The current layout may not look great but it is compact, we have color indicator, text and toggle button on the same area. I know layouts which waste much room. * doing something similar with the route-style switcher, showing the line and via sizes in the select list Please note, our long term goal is to have not 4 route styles, but styles associated with layers, so we select layer17 and have 4 mil traces, with 6 mil clearance, and 75 Ohm impedance for layer2... I'm happy to do the work for these changes, but would there be popular support for such intrusive UI changes? Please note that we have GTK and Lesstif/Motif GUI for PCB program. And: If we consider changes, we may consider giving PCB, gschem and related tools a more uniform look and feel. Best regards Stefan Salewski ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: New icon set and UI changes
Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de wrote: On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 12:39 -0700, Andrew Poelstra wrote: Hey all, I have drawn a new icon set for PCB. Screenshot here: http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9031/pcbicons.png I am happy to provide a patch to use these icons by default - however, I have a few concerns: 1. They will likely take up too much space on low resolutions. Does anyone do CAD on low-res monitors? 2. Even with decent resolution, they take up a lot of horizontal space with the default view. Thoughts? Comments? For large boards (http://www.ssalewski.de/b1.png) I like to have much room for the PCB available -- so your icons may indeed consume too much space. Is there an option to turn of text? For pcb 2009 snapshot icons are at the left side, I think this may be better, because many monitors now are 16/9 form factor, width screen. It would be fine to leave no room unoccupied, i.e below layers icons, maybe you should try to propose a complete now screen layout? No, the text is part of the images, like the current icons. What I will probably do is remove the text entirely, shrink the icons to 32x32 (since with the text, they are mostly blank space anyway), and rely on tooltips to display what each tool is. Like so: http://img199.imageshack.us/f/pcbicons1.png/ If we had those icons up top, and a combination layer/route style switcher below, we could improve the look of the sidebar without taking up any more space than we do now. A couple other ideas I have: * replacing the layer switcher with one similar to GIMP's (select box with icons for visibility/locked) Again, we should not waste space. The current layout may not look great but it is compact, we have color indicator, text and toggle button on the same area. I know layouts which waste much room. I think we can fit a GIMP-style switcher into the same amount of space as the current switcher. I'll play around and see what I can get. I agree that space should be the primary concern when doing any UI changes. * doing something similar with the route-style switcher, showing the line and via sizes in the select list Please note, our long term goal is to have not 4 route styles, but styles associated with layers, so we select layer17 and have 4 mil traces, with 6 mil clearance, and 75 Ohm impedance for layer2... I haven't heard this before. How would it work when exporting layers as Gerber files? Andrew ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: New icon set and UI changes
On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 14:58 -0700, Andrew Poelstra wrote: Please note, our long term goal is to have not 4 route styles, but styles associated with layers, so we select layer17 and have 4 mil traces, with 6 mil clearance, and 75 Ohm impedance for layer2... I haven't heard this before. How would it work when exporting layers as Gerber files? Sorry, my explanation may be not clear. Not related to gerber export. Currently, we may change the layer, and have to change route style at the same time, i.e. signal layer at layer 1, power supply with width traces at layer 2. If route style is bound to layers, we only select other layer, and route styles change at the same time. This was discussed on this list, but of course there is some coding effort needed to change all this... Best regards Stefan Salewski ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: New icon set and UI changes
Hi, them look good! 2010/8/3 Andrew Poelstra as...@sfu.ca: Hey all, I have drawn a new icon set for PCB. Screenshot here: http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9031/pcbicons.png I am happy to provide a patch to use these icons by default - however, I have a few concerns: Where is the patch? it come with instructions how to use it? 1. They will likely take up too much space on low resolutions. Does anyone do CAD on low-res monitors? 2. Even with decent resolution, they take up a lot of horizontal space with the default view. Thoughts? Comments? A couple other ideas I have: * replacing the layer switcher with one similar to GIMP's (select box with icons for visibility/locked) It is a great idea * doing something similar with the route-style switcher, showing the line and via sizes in the select list I'm happy to do the work for these changes, but would there be popular support for such intrusive UI changes? Just throwing this out there. Andrew ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gcshem to magic
On 08/02/2010 11:47 AM, Oliver King-Smith wrote: OK So I am trying to generate a netlist for magic (I know this is not quite gEDA), but I can't find any documentation on magic's netlist format. Does anyone know what the format is. It looks like it a net follows this format [instance]/[port] [instance]/[port] [instance]/[port] But how do I create a new net. Initially I thought it was a blank line, but the router appears to think these are all the same net. Oliver It has been a long time since I used Magic but I dug up my hardcopy of the 1990 documentation. For details on the netlist format it refers to the manual page for net(5). (aka man 5 net) Which says that blank lines separate nets. -- David W. Schultz http://home.earthlink.net/~david.schultz Life without stock is barely worth living... Anthony Bourdain ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gcshem to magic
Thanks David, I have come to the conclusion that was how it worked. The netlist tool shows the correct netlist when I set up the file this way, but the router is merging some nets together for some reason. I sent an example to Tim so may be he can give me some guidance. Is there a tool that is preferred with gEDA? Oliver __ From: David W. Schultz david.schu...@earthlink.net To: geda-user@moria.seul.org Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 4:13:58 PM Subject: Re: gEDA-user: gcshem to magic On 08/02/2010 11:47 AM, Oliver King-Smith wrote: OK So I am trying to generate a netlist for magic (I know this is not quite gEDA), but I can't find any documentation on magic's netlist format. Does anyone know what the format is. It looks like it a net follows this format [instance]/[port] [instance]/[port] [instance]/[port] But how do I create a new net. Initially I thought it was a blank line, but the router appears to think these are all the same net. Oliver It has been a long time since I used Magic but I dug up my hardcopy of the 1990 documentation. For details on the netlist format it refers to the manual page for net(5). (aka man 5 net) Which says that blank lines separate nets. -- David W. Schultz [1]http://home.earthlink.net/~david.schultz Life without stock is barely worth living... Anthony Bourdain ___ geda-user mailing list [2]geda-u...@moria.seul.org [3]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user References 1. http://home.earthlink.net/%7Edavid.schultz 2. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org 3. http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
