Re: gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements
John Coppens wrote: I'm somewhat confused about the workings of PCB in this aspect - I suspect this has something to do with the complexity of rotation etc. Polygons are (usualy) defined by their corner points. Rotations of points are most often done by multiplying with a rotation matrix - so there is nothing special about general polygons and rotation compared to rectangles or triangles. (90° rotations of points can be done by coordinate flipping, but again nothing special) Just my 2 cents ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
On 12/11/2010 12:01 PM, Martin Kupec wrote: We actually use Windows XP desktops..but for gEDA we have VirtualBox with linux installed. But this will probably change later on as we finish our switchover. Our previous EDA was formica.cz and it has only windows version. If you switch to gEDA, will you want a native windows build? Help with that from anyone who is up on windows is on the wanted list. It would help a lot with getting more users/developers. JG ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:29:51AM -0600, John Griessen wrote: On 12/11/2010 12:01 PM, Martin Kupec wrote: We actually use Windows XP desktops..but for gEDA we have VirtualBox with linux installed. But this will probably change later on as we finish our switchover. Our previous EDA was formica.cz and it has only windows version. If you switch to gEDA, will you want a native windows build? Help with that from anyone who is up on windows is on the wanted list. It would help a lot with getting more users/developers. I am personally not that strong on windows. But getting it up on windows will probably help. Do you have an idea, how to build it on windows? I expect errors and problems, but just generally which toolchain to use? And getting installer up and running is probably another story. Martin Kupec ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:29 AM, John Griessen wrote: Help with that from anyone who is up on windows is on the wanted list. It would help a lot with getting more users/developers. My customers in Japan report success using Peter C's Windows build: http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~pcjc2/geda-windows.html John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:45:29AM -0700, John Doty wrote: On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:29 AM, John Griessen wrote: Help with that from anyone who is up on windows is on the wanted list. It would help a lot with getting more users/developers. My customers in Japan report success using Peter C's Windows build: http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~pcjc2/geda-windows.html This seems like it is near to working state. It would probably really help, if we fix some issues, probably release current version and put it on the main page to download section(with some neat warning). I am interested in the build process? Peter, how have you build this? Martin Kupec ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 17:36 +0100, Martin Kupec wrote: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:29:51AM -0600, John Griessen wrote: If you switch to gEDA, will you want a native windows build? Help with that from anyone who is up on windows is on the wanted list. It would help a lot with getting more users/developers. I am personally not that strong on windows. But getting it up on windows will probably help. Do you have an idea, how to build it on windows? I expect errors and problems, but just generally which toolchain to use? I've used Cesar Strauss' minipack tools to build it before. This isn't particularly maintained, but the latest gEDA version is packaged up here for testing: http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~pcjc2/geda-windows.html -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 17:56 +0100, Martin Kupec wrote: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:45:29AM -0700, John Doty wrote: On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:29 AM, John Griessen wrote: Help with that from anyone who is up on windows is on the wanted list. It would help a lot with getting more users/developers. My customers in Japan report success using Peter C's Windows build: http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~pcjc2/geda-windows.html This seems like it is near to working state. It would probably really help, if we fix some issues, probably release current version and put it on the main page to download section(with some neat warning). I am interested in the build process? Peter, how have you build this? mingw32 + Cesar Strauss's minipack build system. (Which comes with recipes for gEDA) git://repo.or.cz/minipack.git -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 05:05:46PM +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 17:56 +0100, Martin Kupec wrote: I am interested in the build process? Peter, how have you build this? mingw32 + Cesar Strauss's minipack build system. (Which comes with recipes for gEDA) git://repo.or.cz/minipack.git Thanks. I will look at it and see if I can get it up and running. Martin Kupec ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
On 12/12/2010 15:14, Martin Kupec wrote: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 05:05:46PM +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 17:56 +0100, Martin Kupec wrote: I am interested in the build process? Peter, how have you build this? mingw32 + Cesar Strauss's minipack build system. (Which comes with recipes for gEDA) git://repo.or.cz/minipack.git Thanks. I will look at it and see if I can get it up and running. Getting started with minipack http://code.google.com/p/minipack/wiki/GettingStarted Support mailing list http://groups.google.com/group/minipack Let me know if you have any trouble using it. Regards, Cesar ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA wiki software updated
I have upgraded the software running the gEDA wiki today (long overdue). If you see something broken please let me know. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:23 PM, John Coppens j...@jcoppens.com wrote: On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:07:58 -0800 Colin D Bennett co...@gibibit.com wrote: Unfortunately this may not work well for footprints since I have found the best results from pstoedit to be achieved using the pcbfill output driver, which uses only polygons to render text, and PCB does not support polygons in footprints, even on the silk layer, apparently. I was looking at the source code, and I have the impression that polygons are possible in footprints, though only rectangular ones. I'm somewhat confused about the workings of PCB in this aspect - I suspect this has something to do with the complexity of rotation etc. Probably someone is needed to code complex polygon rotations... John The code for rotations is there in FreeRotateBuffer(). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_matrix Regards, Mark markra...@gmail -- Mark Rages, Engineer Midwest Telecine LLC markra...@midwesttelecine.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: FUNDING (was: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB)
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Justyn Butler justynbutler+g...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10 December 2010 00:09, Stephen Ecob silicon.on.inspirat...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, asom...@gmail.com wrote: How about a Kickstarter project for the toporouter? Let Anthony make a proposal and put it on www.kickstarter.com, and then gEDA users can pledge donations. If it raises enough money by graduation (or whatever other deadline), then we all fund Anthony to work on it. If we don't raise enough, then nobody gets charged, the toporouter languishes, and Anthony has to get a real job like (some of) the rest of us. If we can raise enough for Anthony to get the toporouter working well (say to the point where it's working better than the existing autorouter for 2L and 4L boards), let's do it. Count me in for $4K. Anthony, how much funding would you need to get the toporouter working well ? A kickstarter project sounds like a great idea. I'd certainly contribute. As the funding only occurs if the goal is met, I'd personally recommend: 1) Giving plenty of time before the deadline 2) Considering bringing the target down from $4K, if that is possible. Pledges can still continue once the target is met. Yeah, someone suggested a kickstarter a few months ago.. it might be worth a shot. When I had a look at kickstarter a while back, most projects offered different levels of rewards depending on the donation. Any ideas about what sort of rewards I should send to people who donate? I was thinking stuff like a toporouted arduino circuit board would make good gifts for those who donate. If I do it, I think I should aim for a full years worth of funding, which would be at least 50k. Three months is too short. What do you guys think? Regards, Anthony ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: FUNDING
On 12/12/2010 01:20 PM, Anthony Blake wrote: If I do it, I think I should aim for a full years worth of funding, which would be at least 50k. Three months is too short. What do you guys think? I have plans to use it for my low budget launches of open hardware products, so I've looked at it closely, and see that you are on the high side of successful projects at $50K. If you could think up a deliverable goal to reach with less, it would maybe fund. then you could do another. $10K works for kick-starters. Another thing is, some of your funders are already signed up and don't want the load of kickstarter, which requires using amazon payments that absorbs about 4%, and then kickstarter takes 5% off the top too, so you lose 9%. Instead of the high goal for a kickstarter, go for a low one and get it, then deliver, and keep your funders signed up for more, and do kick-starters only to get the new donors. Yes, to get donors, you need to give them a trinket. Makerbeam was successful making award-trophy-like premiums mark the different funding levels. So some board that doesn't even have to be functional, but looks good as a wall plaque, and then add different level's text to it, a la: $1000 contributor, $2000 contributor, $4000 contributor. but the most important ones for donors is going to be $10 contributor, $20 contributor, $30 contributor, $50 contributor... John Griessen ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
