Re: gEDA-user: Bug triage
On 10 January 2011 00:48, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote: Gareth Edwards wrote: But I don't see this as a reason to hide the existence of the triage policy from simple bug reporters. It's not hidden. It's linked right on the bug reporting page. Your argument against a comprehensive bug management page in the wiki was the wish to separate bug reporting people from those, who do the triage. No, it was a desire to decouple the processes, not the people. This implies to me, that ordinary users should be discouraged from doing the triage. And the triage policy should be out of their eyes. The processes are distinct enough to deserve their own pages. Some people will report bugs. Some people will triage bugs. Some will do both. The link on the reporting page facilitates that. Gareth ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Bug triage
Am 10.01.2011 um 02:33 schrieb Peter Clifton: On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 02:18 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: By the way, the download statistics is interesting: https://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb/files/stats/timeline? dates=2002-01-03+to+2011-01-10 Over the years, the download count integrated to an astonishing 150.000 To me, the interesting statistic is more: TOP OS * Windows 79% of downloaders https://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb/files//stats/os? dates=2003-02-11%20to%202011-01-10 ... and a minute later ... Look at the source downloads for the latest release though: https://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb/files/pcb/pcb-20100929/ pcb-20100929.tar.gz/stats/os Only 50% Linux downloads, 25% Windows again. These numbers are very biased, as about all Linux and *BSD distributions have some sort of package management system, so there's no need to download sources from SourceForge or build binaries by hand. Just doing some apt-get or emerge or whatever is much more convenient and reliable. For example, sites like the Ubuntu Popularity Contest show 11'000 installations with about 1'000 users: http://popcon2.net/package/geda.html#graph-0 Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. (FH) Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Bug triage
Peter Clifton wrote: The short answer is html + make This should be easy to convert to dokuwiki + make After all, dokuwiki content is just a set of ascii files. The make file would only be needed to distribute the files to the correct target directories. The benefit would be a complete separation of content and style. ---)kaiamrtin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de GPG key:http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Knaak+kmkop=get ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Bug triage
On 1/9/2011 8:33 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 02:18 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: By the way, the download statistics is interesting: https://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb/files/stats/timeline?dates=2002-01-03+to+2011-01-10 Over the years, the download count integrated to an astonishing 150.000 To me, the interesting statistic is more: TOP OS * Windows 79% of downloaders https://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb/files//stats/os?dates=2003-02-11%20to%202011-01-10 I wonder how many of those downloaders actually use it. I used it just yesterday. I often use gerbv for viewing Gerbers. I run it under Vista and there are some issues. Rick ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: 100 inches?
Hi list, I discovered that PCB (the GTK HID) doesn't let me define boards greater than 10 mils. Is it intentional? N.B. I can make the board larger by editing the bcb file manually. Thanks, Levente -- Levente Kovacs http://levente.logonex.eu ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: 100 inches?
It seems to be LARGE_VALUE in pcb's globalconst.h but I don't know how that particular value was chosen. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: PCB Website [WAS: Re: Bug triage]
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 12:39 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: The short answer is html + make This should be easy to convert to dokuwiki + make After all, dokuwiki content is just a set of ascii files. The make file would only be needed to distribute the files to the correct target directories. The benefit would be a complete separation of content and style. I think I can get away with volunteering this..: Please feel free to try it and send me the results. I'm sure Dan, DJ and other devs won't be sentimentally attached to the current system. Build it, and if it looks sane, I'll check it in ;) (Other devs shout now if you object to KMK and I rebranding PCB's website like this!!) -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Windows versions [WAS: Re: Bug triage]
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 10:10 -0500, Rick wrote: I wonder how many of those downloaders actually use it. I used it just yesterday. I often use gerbv for viewing Gerbers. I run it under Vista and there are some issues. Please file the bugs. Use the windows tag when filing for PCB. See https://launchpad.net/pcb/+filebug For gerbv, you'll have to brave SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=addgroup_id=33921atid=409538 -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB Website [WAS: Re: Bug triage]
Peter Clifton wrote: Please feel free to try it and send me the results. I'm sure Dan, DJ and other devs won't be sentimentally attached to the current system. Build it, and if it looks sane, I'll check it in ;) Ok, I will convert the contents to dokuwiki format and rewrite the makefile so that it distributes the files to the root of a the content files of a site that runs a dokuwiki server. This will receive a test run at bibo.iqo.uni-hannover.de. But don't hold your breath, that project will take some days. (And I have promised other tasks for geda -- Unite the pcb FAQs, send patches for the pcb manual...) By the way, this is a way to have a documentation maintained with git and still get a dynamic website. A website that blends with whatever the wiki part of the website looks like. Just because the git maintained portion it is in dokuwiki format does not mean, the regular wiki users are automatically allowed to edit the pages. This can be easily configured in the admin section of dokuwiki. To answer the next obvious question: Yes, it is possible to derive a static HTML pages from a dokuwiki site. See http://www.dokuwiki.org/export ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Email: k...@familieknaak.de Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB Website [WAS: Re: Bug triage]
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 01:29 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: To answer the next obvious question: Yes, it is possible to derive a static HTML pages from a dokuwiki site. See http://www.dokuwiki.org/export Cool - I can't volunteer running arbitrary new software on Ales' gpleda.org server. I can push html pages and other content to the git repository though. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Windows versions [WAS: Re: Bug triage]
On 1/10/2011 6:39 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 10:10 -0500, Rick wrote: I wonder how many of those downloaders actually use it. I used it just yesterday. I often use gerbv for viewing Gerbers. I run it under Vista and there are some issues. Please file the bugs. Use the windows tag when filing for PCB. See https://launchpad.net/pcb/+filebug For gerbv, you'll have to brave SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=addgroup_id=33921atid=409538 I don't mind dealing with SourceForge, but I want to be sure that what I am reporting is considered a bug. When I use gerbv under Windows Vista the image on the screen is grainy and any features on the board that are not orthogonal or at exactly 45 degrees, are very jagged. Further, the zoom can only magnify to a limited extent. I can zoom in until about 0.2 inches fill the screen. So I am not able to make careful measurements of fine features. I assume this is different from gerbv under Linux, or is this how the interface is designed? Is this is not expected behavior, should this be one or two reports? Rick ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Windows versions [WAS: Re: Bug triage]
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 21:19 -0500, Rick wrote: On 1/10/2011 6:39 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: I don't mind dealing with SourceForge, but I want to be sure that what I am reporting is considered a bug. When I use gerbv under Windows Vista the image on the screen is grainy and any features on the board that are not orthogonal or at exactly 45 degrees, are very jagged. Further, the zoom can only magnify to a limited extent. I can zoom in until about 0.2 inches fill the screen. So I am not able to make careful measurements of fine features. I assume this is different from gerbv under Linux, or is this how the interface is designed? Is this is not expected behavior, should this be one or two reports? If you ask on Gerbv developers list gerbv-de...@lists.sourceforge.net (might need to subscribe via SourceForge first), someone can tell you. The gerbv developers are very receptive to bug reports. Were you able to select which rendering method you used? Gerbv has a drop down box on the left hand side which sets the quality and APIs used to render. Try Rendering: Fast - Rendering: High quality Regarding jaggies. I think gerbv deliberately draws with anti-aliasing turned off for many of the rendering modes. This both improves speed, and can help avoid seams appearing between different pieces of copper which PCB uses to make up polygons. Perversely, these seams might show up in High quality rendering mode, but they are just a anti-aliasing artefact due to the fact cairo does anti-aliasing as it draws each object, rather than global anti-aliasing on the whole page. Zoom limit might be deliberately coded - if it bothers you, file a bug. If it affects your usability of the software, it indicates something should be fixed there. Best wishes, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Windows versions [WAS: Re: Bug triage]
On 1/10/2011 9:32 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 21:19 -0500, Rick wrote: On 1/10/2011 6:39 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: I don't mind dealing with SourceForge, but I want to be sure that what I am reporting is considered a bug. When I use gerbv under Windows Vista the image on the screen is grainy and any features on the board that are not orthogonal or at exactly 45 degrees, are very jagged. Further, the zoom can only magnify to a limited extent. I can zoom in until about 0.2 inches fill the screen. So I am not able to make careful measurements of fine features. I assume this is different from gerbv under Linux, or is this how the interface is designed? Is this is not expected behavior, should this be one or two reports? If you ask on Gerbv developers listgerbv-de...@lists.sourceforge.net (might need to subscribe via SourceForge first), someone can tell you. The gerbv developers are very receptive to bug reports. Were you able to select which rendering method you used? Gerbv has a drop down box on the left hand side which sets the quality and APIs used to render. Try Rendering: Fast - Rendering: High quality Regarding jaggies. I think gerbv deliberately draws with anti-aliasing turned off for many of the rendering modes. This both improves speed, and can help avoid seams appearing between different pieces of copper which PCB uses to make up polygons. Perversely, these seams might show up in High quality rendering mode, but they are just a anti-aliasing artefact due to the fact cairo does anti-aliasing as it draws each object, rather than global anti-aliasing on the whole page. Zoom limit might be deliberately coded - if it bothers you, file a bug. If it affects your usability of the software, it indicates something should be fixed there. Best wishes, Thank you. I had forgotten about that. Yes, the jaggies go away when I switch to high quality, but then the other problem shows where rounded rectangular pads are grossly malformed. I will report this bug... Rick ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
