Re: gEDA-user: UTF-8 printing in gschem
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 23:00 +0300, Vladimir Zhbanov wrote: > I wrote three patches. Probably they're provided too late. Indeed... They're > pretty simple: sorting out and deleting of unnecessary lines. It solves my > problems with printing today. Maybe it will be useful for someone... > > Launchpad bug #720218. > Developers, look at it, please. It looks like you've put a lot of effort into this.. I don't claim to understand our Unicode printing support, but I do know our intended road-map was to rip it out and replace with cairo printing support. I'm all in favour of committing these patches (if you can confirm they fix the issue without causing breakage for anything else?), so that: a) If we don't get round to cairo printing in 1.8.x, we get your fix b) We have an archive of the "correct" Unicode printing support code should we wish to split that of as part of a separate gEDA -> Postscript printing tool which doesn't use cairo. Regards, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB fab with <= $5 with 50 qty order?
you guys are awesome, thanks guys! On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 07:41:51AM +1100, Stephen Ecob wrote: >> > >> > The closest I could find was 150 boards with $4.47 per board cost at >> > Advanced Circuits. Their 50 qty order is $9.94 :( >> >> Try: >> >> http://custompcb.com/ > > I would not recommend CustomPCB (aka Silver Circuits) for a 50 board > run. I've used them before and the individual boards have required too > much attention to imagine using them for 50+. I got one batch where > most of the vias did not conduct (my board easily exceeded the DRC > requirements). They were happy to replace my order but they screwed up > the drill sizes for some connectors (which I worked around by mangling > the connectors). Some of my 8mil traces were barly 3mil wide in places. > > I will note that I have ordered from them knowing full well what I'll get > for the price, but for qty 50 I'd want more "plug and play". I would never > use them for a PCB going in a kit! > > -- > Ben Jackson AD7GD > > http://www.ben.com/ > > > ___ > geda-user mailing list > geda-user@moria.seul.org > http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user > ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB fab with <= $5 with 50 qty order?
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Ben Jackson wrote: > I would not recommend CustomPCB (aka Silver Circuits) for a 50 board > run. I've used them before and the individual boards have required too > much attention to imagine using them for 50+. I got one batch where > most of the vias did not conduct (my board easily exceeded the DRC > requirements). They were happy to replace my order but they screwed up > the drill sizes for some connectors (which I worked around by mangling > the connectors). Some of my 8mil traces were barly 3mil wide in places. > > I will note that I have ordered from them knowing full well what I'll get > for the price, but for qty 50 I'd want more "plug and play". I would never > use them for a PCB going in a kit! Ouch! I'll think twice before ordering from them again ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB fab with <= $5 with 50 qty order?
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 07:41:51AM +1100, Stephen Ecob wrote: > > > > The closest I could find was 150 boards with $4.47 per board cost at > > Advanced Circuits. Their 50 qty order is $9.94 :( > > Try: > > http://custompcb.com/ I would not recommend CustomPCB (aka Silver Circuits) for a 50 board run. I've used them before and the individual boards have required too much attention to imagine using them for 50+. I got one batch where most of the vias did not conduct (my board easily exceeded the DRC requirements). They were happy to replace my order but they screwed up the drill sizes for some connectors (which I worked around by mangling the connectors). Some of my 8mil traces were barly 3mil wide in places. I will note that I have ordered from them knowing full well what I'll get for the price, but for qty 50 I'd want more "plug and play". I would never use them for a PCB going in a kit! -- Ben Jackson AD7GD http://www.ben.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB fab with <= $5 with 50 qty order?
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:59 AM, yamazakir2 wrote: > The board size is 6.275x1.705. Modest amount of holes/vias, nothing > too crazy. Tolerances are standard, I think the default setup in pcb. > > Shipping to the US, specifically CA. Then it's certainly do-able. The price from custompcb.com for those dimensions is $75 set up, $2.59 per board and shipping to USA ~$14 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB fab with <= $5 with 50 qty order?
El 16/02/11 20:32, yamazakir2 escribió: Does anybody know where I can order 50 boards with the price per board at the most $5? PCB Cart. I've used them a couple of times, good service, good quality boards. There's an online quote form you can use to find out how much, but based on 160mm x 30mm (which IIRC was your board size) the grand total works out at $3/board assuming 2 layers. http://www.pcbcart.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB fab with <= $5 with 50 qty order?
The board size is 6.275x1.705. Modest amount of holes/vias, nothing too crazy. Tolerances are standard, I think the default setup in pcb. Shipping to the US, specifically CA. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Stephen Trier wrote: > What's the board area, and what country are you delivering to? > > Gold Phoenix charges $110 for as many copies of your board as will fit > in 155 sq. in. (650 cm^2), with a cap of 100 pieces if the board is < 1 > inch in either dimension. > [1]http://www.goldphoenixpcb.biz/special_price.php > > The Dorkbot PDX PCB order is fairly cheap, at $5/sq. in. for 3 copies > of a board. You'd have to talk to Laen (who runs it) to find out if > he'd be willing to make the quantity you need. His target market is > hobbyists, not volume production. > [2]http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order > > (All this is USD and US delivery.) > > Stephen > > References > > 1. http://www.goldphoenixpcb.biz/special_price.php > 2. http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order > > > > ___ > geda-user mailing list > geda-user@moria.seul.org > http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user > > ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB fab with <= $5 with 50 qty order?
What's the board area, and what country are you delivering to? Gold Phoenix charges $110 for as many copies of your board as will fit in 155 sq. in. (650 cm^2), with a cap of 100 pieces if the board is < 1 inch in either dimension. [1]http://www.goldphoenixpcb.biz/special_price.php The Dorkbot PDX PCB order is fairly cheap, at $5/sq. in. for 3 copies of a board. You'd have to talk to Laen (who runs it) to find out if he'd be willing to make the quantity you need. His target market is hobbyists, not volume production. [2]http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order (All this is USD and US delivery.) Stephen References 1. http://www.goldphoenixpcb.biz/special_price.php 2. http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB fab with <= $5 with 50 qty order?
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:32 AM, yamazakir2 wrote: > Does anybody know where I can order 50 boards with the price per board > at the most $5? > > The closest I could find was 150 boards with $4.47 per board cost at > Advanced Circuits. Their 50 qty order is $9.94 :( What board size ? Try: http://custompcb.com/ They are very cheap and have a quick online quote page. For 50 boards 4 inch by 4 inch double sided PTH they quote $75 setup and $3.38 per board. Shipping to Australia is $10, not sure for other locations. I've had one lot of boards fabbed there. The registration of holes was a bit rough, but not enough to cause me any problems so far. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB fab with <= $5 with 50 qty order?
Hi On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 12:32 -0800, yamazakir2 wrote: > Does anybody know where I can order 50 boards with the price per board > at the most $5? > Depends on the size, layers, process and tolerances, but PCB International has really good prices if your order uses enough board surface(they work with panelized orders) http://www.pcbinternational.com Best Regards, Felipe. -- Felipe De la Puente Christen MSN/GTalk : fdelapue...@gmail.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: PCB fab with <= $5 with 50 qty order?
Does anybody know where I can order 50 boards with the price per board at the most $5? The closest I could find was 150 boards with $4.47 per board cost at Advanced Circuits. Their 50 qty order is $9.94 :( ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: UTF-8 printing in gschem
Hello, all. I'm a Debian user and a long time I was using outdated gEDA/gaf versions and even in 2008 was fighting against vector fonts. When I realized that there already are postscript fonts, I started fighting against them :). An issue with them is that in postscript output some cyrillic and maybe others symbols are missing. I was hoping anyone would solve this problem. Then I was hoping anyone would write about its existence. I'm tired to hope. It seems to be changes in gEDA/gaf 1.8 for Unicode support. I don't know exactly. Intentions maybe. I don't know where to look at. Whose repository is better. How to figure it out. Main git repository has no changes for Unicode support. I haven't found anything. I wrote three patches. Probably they're provided too late. Indeed... They're pretty simple: sorting out and deleting of unnecessary lines. It solves my problems with printing today. Maybe it will be useful for someone... Launchpad bug #720218. Developers, look at it, please. -- VZh ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions
On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:31 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > Thank you for insulting my professional skills in public. DJ, I have great respect for your professional skills. What I disagree with is your prejudices about how they are to be applied. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions
On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:31 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> DJ has a very narrow and negative viewpoint on factoring. > > Thank you for insulting my professional skills in public. Everybody has their blind spots, you included. No need to be insulted. > >> Refactoring can dramatically increase the power at the users' >> fingertips. > > Not if we're using English as a common language. DJ, I have been working with computers a lot longer than you (I was getting paid to do compiler maintenance when you were a small child), and I believe I have much wider experience with them than you. I use the term "refactoring" in the sense that other computer professionals I have known use it. Apparently it means something different to you. I don't care. As an old Multics user, I agree with Stephan: I want results in the Unix style, not in the Multics style. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions
> DJ has a very narrow and negative viewpoint on factoring. Thank you for insulting my professional skills in public. > Refactoring can dramatically increase the power at the users' > fingertips. Not if we're using English as a common language. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions
John Doty writes: > On Feb 15, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: > >> DJ Delorie writes: >> >>> The two words mean two different things in the English language. >> >> sorry, I wasn't clear on these distinctions. > > DJ has a very narrow and negative viewpoint on factoring. In the end, I do not care how you call what is being done, as long as the results are more like Unix, and less like Multics :-) Stephan >>> Refactoring means changing nonfunctional attributes of the software >>> (i.e. rearranging code to be more maintainable). > > Way, way too narrow. Refactoring can dramatically increase the power at the > users' fingertips. Consider a favorite Brian Kernighan example. Take the > Multics command: > > how_many_users > > In Unix, refactor it into: > > who | wc -l > > Now, you've given the user much more power with fewer commands. For example, > > ls | wc -l > > counts files, something I recall there was no command for in Multics. > > The large suite of inflexible, specialized commands in Multics collapsed into > a much smaller set of commands that were specialized in one sense (what > abstraction was served) but generalized in another (what end was served) in > Unix. This put a lot more power in users' hands: many things that would have > required a page of tricky PL/I code in Multics became simple shell one-liners > in Unix. It was much easier to master and remember the smaller, but more > powerful, set of Unix commands. > >>> If we're talking >>> about changing functionality (as we were in this case), we need to use >>> a different word. > > Functionality emerges naturally from good factoring. Without good factoring, > functionality requires a large number of complex "features" that are > difficult to remember and often don't play well with each other. > ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions
On Feb 15, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: > DJ Delorie writes: > >> The two words mean two different things in the English language. > > sorry, I wasn't clear on these distinctions. DJ has a very narrow and negative viewpoint on factoring. > > >> Refactoring means changing nonfunctional attributes of the software >> (i.e. rearranging code to be more maintainable). Way, way too narrow. Refactoring can dramatically increase the power at the users' fingertips. Consider a favorite Brian Kernighan example. Take the Multics command: how_many_users In Unix, refactor it into: who | wc -l Now, you've given the user much more power with fewer commands. For example, ls | wc -l counts files, something I recall there was no command for in Multics. The large suite of inflexible, specialized commands in Multics collapsed into a much smaller set of commands that were specialized in one sense (what abstraction was served) but generalized in another (what end was served) in Unix. This put a lot more power in users' hands: many things that would have required a page of tricky PL/I code in Multics became simple shell one-liners in Unix. It was much easier to master and remember the smaller, but more powerful, set of Unix commands. >> If we're talking >> about changing functionality (as we were in this case), we need to use >> a different word. Functionality emerges naturally from good factoring. Without good factoring, functionality requires a large number of complex "features" that are difficult to remember and often don't play well with each other. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Strange resistor footprints
A couple things to consider... If you're using the stock 0603 footprint, just remove the ".fp" You can disable the M4 macro libraries and just use the file-based libraries (skip-m4 yes or --skip-m4) Try using PCB's File->Import instead of gsch2pcb, it handles footprint names differently. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Strange resistor footprints
Is there a better work around for this rather than making my own footprints? __ From: DJ Delorie To: gEDA user mailing list Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 7:39:07 AM Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Strange resistor footprints >footprint=0603.fp "0603" is a macro footprint name. It gets expanded by the macro preprocessor before gsch2pcb gets a chance to see the "0603.fp". ___ geda-user mailing list [1]geda-user@moria.seul.org [2]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user References 1. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org 2. http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Strange resistor footprints
>footprint=0603.fp "0603" is a macro footprint name. It gets expanded by the macro preprocessor before gsch2pcb gets a chance to see the "0603.fp". ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Strange resistor footprints
It is definitely happening when I try to use a newlib footprint. I solved my 603 problem, but I now have EIA3528 cap with the same issue. The syntax being generated by gsch2pcb is very different. I can't see any documentation in the PCB manual that shows Element( ... ).fp(...) type construction. Oliver __ From: Oliver King-Smith To: gEDA user mailing list Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 7:29:41 AM Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Strange resistor footprints It might help if I post more of the file # element_flags, description, pcb-name, value, mark_x, mark_y, # text_x, text_y, text_direction, text_scale, text_flags Element[0x "" "" "" 0 0 -3150 -3150 0 100 ""] ( # # Pad[x1, y1, x2, y2, thickness, clearance, mask, name , pad number, flags] Pad[-2559 -492 -2559 492 2952 2000 3552 "1" "1" "square"] Pad[2559 -492 2559 492 2952 2000 3552 "2" "2" "square"] # # This draws a 1 mil placement courtyard outline in silk. It should probably # not be included since you wont want to try and fab a 1 mil silk line. Then # again, it is most useful during parts placement. It really is time for some # additional non-fab layers... #ElementLine[eval(-1*V1/2) eval(-1*V2/2) eval(-1*V1/2) eval( V2/2) CYW] #ElementLine[eval(-1*V1/2) eval(-1*V2/2) eval( V1/2) eval(-1*V2/2) CYW] #ElementLine[eval( V1/2) eval( V2/2) eval( V1/2) eval(-1*V2/2) CYW] #ElementLine[eval( V1/2) eval( V2/2) eval(-1*V1/2) eval( V2/2) CYW] ).fp(0603.fp,R229,87K) So for generating resistors, the gsch2pcb uses a different format than an IC with a footprint I have defined. __ From: John Doty <[1]j...@noqsi.com> To: [2]k...@lilalaser.de; gEDA user mailing list <[3]geda-user@moria.seul.org> Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 7:10:26 AM Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Strange resistor footprints On Feb 16, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: >> T 50700 46500 5 10 1 1 90 0 1 >> precision=1% >> } >> >> in the schematic. What am I doing wrong here? >> > > A stab in the dark: Maybe, gnetlist is unhappy with the "%" character. I don't think so. Gnetlist doesn't care about "%": my schems are full of attributes like "spec=1% 1/10W". John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. [1][4]http://www.noqsi.com/ [2][5]j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list [3][6]geda-user@moria.seul.org [4][7]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user References 1. [8]http://www.noqsi.com/ 2. mailto:[9]j...@noqsi.com 3. mailto:[10]geda-user@moria.seul.org 4. [11]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user References 1. mailto:j...@noqsi.com 2. mailto:k...@lilalaser.de 3. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org 4. http://www.noqsi.com/ 5. mailto:j...@noqsi.com 6. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org 7. http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user 8. http://www.noqsi.com/ 9. mailto:j...@noqsi.com 10. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org 11. http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Strange resistor footprints
It might help if I post more of the file # element_flags, description, pcb-name, value, mark_x, mark_y, # text_x, text_y, text_direction, text_scale, text_flags Element[0x "" "" "" 0 0 -3150 -3150 0 100 ""] ( # # Pad[x1, y1, x2, y2, thickness, clearance, mask, name , pad number, flags] Pad[-2559 -492 -2559 492 2952 2000 3552 "1" "1" "square"] Pad[2559 -492 2559 492 2952 2000 3552 "2" "2" "square"] # # This draws a 1 mil placement courtyard outline in silk. It should probably # not be included since you wont want to try and fab a 1 mil silk line. Then # again, it is most useful during parts placement. It really is time for some # additional non-fab layers... #ElementLine[eval(-1*V1/2) eval(-1*V2/2) eval(-1*V1/2) eval( V2/2) CYW] #ElementLine[eval(-1*V1/2) eval(-1*V2/2) eval( V1/2) eval(-1*V2/2) CYW] #ElementLine[eval( V1/2) eval( V2/2) eval( V1/2) eval(-1*V2/2) CYW] #ElementLine[eval( V1/2) eval( V2/2) eval(-1*V1/2) eval( V2/2) CYW] ).fp(0603.fp,R229,87K) So for generating resistors, the gsch2pcb uses a different format than an IC with a footprint I have defined. __ From: John Doty To: k...@lilalaser.de; gEDA user mailing list Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 7:10:26 AM Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Strange resistor footprints On Feb 16, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: >> T 50700 46500 5 10 1 1 90 0 1 >> precision=1% >> } >> >> in the schematic. What am I doing wrong here? >> > > A stab in the dark: Maybe, gnetlist is unhappy with the "%" character. I don't think so. Gnetlist doesn't care about "%": my schems are full of attributes like "spec=1% 1/10W". John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. [1]http://www.noqsi.com/ [2]j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list [3]geda-user@moria.seul.org [4]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user References 1. http://www.noqsi.com/ 2. mailto:j...@noqsi.com 3. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org 4. http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Strange resistor footprints
On Feb 16, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: >> T 50700 46500 5 10 1 1 90 0 1 >> precision=1% >> } >> >> in the schematic. What am I doing wrong here? >> > > A stab in the dark: Maybe, gnetlist is unhappy with the "%" character. I don't think so. Gnetlist doesn't care about "%": my schems are full of attributes like "spec=1% 1/10W". John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Strange resistor footprints
Oliver King-Smith wrote:
> C 50500 46500 1 90 0 resistor-1.sym
> {
> T 50100 46800 5 10 0 0 90 0 1
> device=RESISTOR
> T 50200 47000 5 10 1 1 90 0 1
> refdes=R229
> T 50500 46500 5 10 0 0 90 0 1
> footprint=0603.fp
> T 50700 47000 5 10 1 1 90 0 1
> value=87K
> T 50700 46500 5 10 1 1 90 0 1
> precision=1%
> }
>
> in the schematic. What am I doing wrong here?
>
A stab in the dark: Maybe, gnetlist is unhappy with the "%" character.
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