Re: gEDA-user: Oscopy input formats (was Re: zview/ngscope)
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 5:13 AM, Arnaud Gardelein wrote: > >> if it only supported more input formats > Which input formats ? There are a lot of them out there. Yes, there are quite a few of them. Many of them are likely not documented at all. There is no need to support them all, though. Just a "common denominator". In some cases it might be possible (hspice?) to convince the simulator to output data in an ascii format. In others, there are usually some legacy formats to choose from. Gwave did have some (partial) support for a couple of formats - not sure if the code is reusable. Also, how about this library? That's one of the most popular formats. https://github.com/henjo/libpsf Some other formats that would be nice to have: sst2, wdf. Those might be more demanding, though. Cheers, Andrzej ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Attribute Net (without pin assignment) - for Power and Port Symbols
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:41:23PM +0100, Peter Clifton wrote:
> pin[pinnumber=1] {pinnumber="2";}
> pin[pinnumber=2] {pinnumber="1";}
>
>
> I've long seen this to be the most sane way of managing back-annotation
> into a hierarchy. I would go as far to say refdes should be
> back-annotated as such:
>
> #X1 > #X1 > #R1 {refdes = "R99";}
> #X1 > #X2 > #R1 {refdes = "R123";}
> #X1 > #X3 > #R1 {refdes = "R3";}
That looks neat & powerful - and starting to closely resemble XPath/XSLT/CSS
transformations.
But I think we're actually getting farther from something that:
* is backwards compatible with the name=value attribute definition/syntx
* can be simply used to add hierarchy/depth to attribute assignments
It would be best to keep these two things aligned - syntax used for
general transformations should be a natural extension of the one used
for attribute definitions.
And a small comment regarding hierarchy separators - I would personally
choose anything that does not require shift-keystroke to type the most
commonly used separator - so '/' and '.' seem to be the two natural
candidates.
--
Krzysztof Kościuszkiewicz
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" -- Leonardo da Vinci
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gEDA-user: Oscopy input formats (was Re: zview/ngscope)
(Sorry for the late reply, I had some troubles with mails) Le mardi 05 avril 2011 à 14:19 +0900, Andrzej a écrit : > if it only supported more input formats Which input formats ? There are a lot of them out there. I need some help to include them in oscopy. Basically, at least pointers to the description of the format and some samples files for testing. Currently I'm writing documentation (code comments and user/dev manuals) to help anybody to write its own import routine for oscopy. Once done I plan to update the website (oscopy.org), merge the dev branch with stable and finally announce the release. In the meantime, any feedback on oscopy in its current dev state is welcomed. Arnaud. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Parallel Installation of Stable and Unstable gEDA Version
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 09:22 -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:59:06 +0100 > Peter Clifton wrote: > > > Beware that pcb and geda only play nice when installed into the same > > prefix, so you will want to install PCB into both places you install > > gEDA. Perhaps some kind of symlink to switch between installed > > versions into one path would also help. > > I'm curious how pcb and gEDA don't “play nice” when installed into > different prefixes? It works fine for me. gch2pcb doesn't always find things IIRC. I think that was the extent of it. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Spam Email to This List
On 04/14/2011 05:09 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: ge...@igor2.repo.hu wrote: Sorry, missunderstanding. By private I meant hosted privately instead of hosted by some 3rd company like google. Just a quick note: Before the mailinglist and/or the wiki is hosted by some third party business, I'd volunteer to run it from my webspace. I have a couple of mailinglists and dokuwikis running smoothly for some years now. I would like to state a simple preference that this list stay in its present form. I find the web-based forum awkward and a PITA compared to a mail-list. This list has a VERY low SPAM level compared even to web-based solutions. Please do not over-react to a little spam. On the occasions I use gEDA I find it fills my needs and I like stay up-to-date. Each time I use it, I pull the sources from HEAD and build the latest. So far, it has alway built out-of-the-box so to speak. It pleases me to see steady progress. I fully realize I am mainly a consumer of information on this list and not actively involved in development, QA or support. I only use gEDA a few times a year and then even on small projects, and as such I am not entitled to any say in the matter. This is just a simple request, please keep the mail-list interface. Regards all, Ray ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Attribute Net (without pin assignment) - for Power and Port Symbols
> Equality test AssignmentComment > x = y x := yAda, ALGOL, Dylan, Eiffel, Pascal > x = y x <- yR, Objective Caml > x == y x = y C, C++, Java, C#, Python > > Even though I am most accustomed to C/C++/Java style, I think that it > is ideal to use “=” in the mathematical sense of a logical statement > with a truth value, using another operator to make assignments more > obvious. Better to avoid "x = y" completely, and use == and := so there's no confusion? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Parallel Installation of Stable and Unstable gEDA Version
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:59:06 +0100 Peter Clifton wrote: > Beware that pcb and geda only play nice when installed into the same > prefix, so you will want to install PCB into both places you install > gEDA. Perhaps some kind of symlink to switch between installed > versions into one path would also help. I'm curious how pcb and gEDA don't “play nice” when installed into different prefixes? It works fine for me. I use gschem installed using dpkg/apt-get (into prefix /usr) but pcb installed from source into the prefix /opt/pcb/HEAD_2011-02-21T023427+, for instance. (I have many pcb versions installed in different locations under /opt/pcb with a single /opt/pcb/current symlink to the one I want to use by default.) Regards, Colin signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Attribute Net (without pin assignment) - for Power and Port Symbols
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:41:23 +0100
Peter Clifton wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 22:26 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote:
>
> > pin[pinnumber=1] {
> > pinnumber="99";
> > }
>
> And regarding stuff like the above - where we key off one attribute
> and change it in the rule, IF that is ever legal - we should do it
> like a PLC executes its processing cycles.
>
> Freeze a view of the attributes as exist "before", run the rules on
> those frozen attributes, then bulk update. That would enable a
> pin-swap with syntax such as:
>
> pin[pinnumber=1] {pinnumber="2";}
> pin[pinnumber=2] {pinnumber="1";}
It might make things simpler and more uniform for both the program and
for the user if we had different operators for equality testing and for
assignment. Something like one of the following:
Equality test AssignmentComment
x = y x := yAda, ALGOL, Dylan, Eiffel, Pascal
x = y x <- yR, Objective Caml
x == y x = y C, C++, Java, C#, Python
Even though I am most accustomed to C/C++/Java style, I think that it
is ideal to use “=” in the mathematical sense of a logical statement
with a truth value, using another operator to make assignments more
obvious.
Regards,
Colin
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Re: gEDA-user: Where is pcb-20100929 for Win32 ?
> > In the meantime I tried another steps. Now, when building PCB, I am > > getting this log below. Unfortunately I can't find what is the > > correct ./config.status command and where from Makefile it is run... > > config.status is produced by the build, not consumed by it. Did you > run autogen.sh on cygwin? > I use MinGW + MinSYS environment. I just run win32/build_pcb script. Nothing else. It seems there is again problem with white spaces at the end of lines. Correct command should have been "./config.status win32/Makefile" . I edited it again and another problems appeared. So IMHO there is currently no straightforward way how to compile PCB with MinGW compiler. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Where is pcb-20100929 for Win32 ?
> In the meantime I tried another steps. Now, when building PCB, I am > getting this log below. Unfortunately I can't find what is the > correct ./config.status command and where from Makefile it is run... config.status is produced by the build, not consumed by it. Did you run autogen.sh on cygwin? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Where is pcb-20100929 for Win32 ?
> I built pcb-20100929 last night using the minipack environment in a > virtualbox VM with a fresh Ubuntu 10.10 install. Process was nearly > painles: I had to find alternative sources to the ones given in the > pixman and gd recipes(it seems like libgd.org has been down for a > long time), but that was the only hiccup . Could you send me the built installer exe and a diff for the changes you made? Maybe I can reproduce it here, and we'd be done :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Spam Email to This List
ge...@igor2.repo.hu wrote: > Sorry, missunderstanding. By private I meant hosted privately instead of > hosted by some 3rd company like google. Just a quick note: Before the mailinglist and/or the wiki is hosted by some third party business, I'd volunteer to run it from my webspace. I have a couple of mailinglists and dokuwikis running smoothly for some years now. ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de GPG key:http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Knaak+kmk&op=get ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Where is pcb-20100929 for Win32 ?
> > I built pcb-20100929 last night using the minipack environment in a > virtualbox VM with a fresh Ubuntu 10.10 install. Process was nearly > painles: I had to find alternative sources to the ones given in the > pixman and gd recipes(it seems like libgd.org has been down for a long > time), but that was the only hiccup . > > I remember ages ago when I was doing a bit of coding for the N900, > Nokia actually release a VM image containing a fully set-up Maemo > linux development environment. It saved me alot of time compared to > navigating a sea of dependencies and manually setting up the > cross-compiler and emulator environments. > Is there any interest in something like this for PCB/Minipack? I'd be > happy to slap one together but don't have the resources to host it. > > -Tom Pope I don't know, what exactly minipack is. If I can run such PCB/Minipack on Windows XP, yes. In the meantime I tried another steps. Now, when building PCB, I am getting this log below. Unfortunately I can't find what is the correct ./config.status command and where from Makefile it is run... Vaclav Building for cygwin make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/d/V/temp/pcb-20100929' Making all in win32 make[2]: Entering directory `/d/V/temp/pcb-20100929/win32' Makefile:317: warning: overriding commands for target `..' Makefile:314: warning: ignoring old commands for target `..' Makefile:319: warning: overriding commands for target `..' Makefile:317: warning: ignoring old commands for target `..' cd .. && /bin/sh /d/V/temp/pcb-20100929/missing --run automake-1.11 --foreign win32/Makefile /d/V/temp/pcb-20100929/missing: line 52: automake-1.11: command not found WARNING: `automake-1.11' is missing on your system. You should only need it if you modified `Makefile.am', `acinclude.m4' or `configure.ac'. You might want to install the `Automake' and `Perl' packages. Grab them from any GNU archive site. make[2]: Circular .. <- .. dependency dropped. cd .. && make am--refresh make[3]: Entering directory `/d/V/temp/pcb-20100929' cd . && /bin/sh ./config.status Makefile config.status: creating Makefile make[3]: Leaving directory `/d/V/temp/pcb-20100929' make[3]: Entering directory `/d/V/temp/pcb-20100929' make[3]: Leaving directory `/d/V/temp/pcb-20100929' cd .. && make am--refresh make[3]: Entering directory `/d/V/temp/pcb-20100929' make[3]: Leaving directory `/d/V/temp/pcb-20100929' cd .. && make am--refresh make[3]: Entering directory `/d/V/temp/pcb-20100929' make[3]: Leaving directory `/d/V/temp/pcb-20100929' cd .. && /bin/sh ./config.status win32 /Makefile config.status: error: invalid argument: win32 make[2]: *** [Makefile] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/d/V/temp/pcb-20100929/win32' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/d/V/temp/pcb-20100929' make: *** [all] Error 2 ERROR Build failed. See log in m.log ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Parallel Installation of Stable and Unstable gEDA Version
On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 23:10 +0200, Markus Traidl wrote: > Hello, > >currently I am using gEDA 1.6.2 on a Ubuntu Linux System in a >VirtualBox -> this runs very good. > >For test reasons, I would like also to install the 1.7.x version of >gEDA. I can do it at a different place - that's no problem. > >But what I am looking for is a good way to switch between the stable >and the unstable version? > >What is your way of doing that? Probably best to install them in different places. Set prefix= on the ./configure command line. E.g. mine: ./configure --prefix=/home/pcjc2/geda --with-xdgdatadir=/home/pcjc2/.local/share I then set up my paths to point to these files with a script in ~/.profile: (snippet) if [ -f ~/geda.exports ]; then `~/geda.exports` fi (NO, not the best style in the word!) The reason being is that the script ~/geda.exports doesn't do anything directly.. it prints the list of bash commands which you need to run to set all the environment variables. cat ~/geda.exports #!/bin/sh # echo "# For bash:" echo export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/pcjc2/geda/lib:/home/pcjc2/geda/lib/gnucap:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH echo export PATH=/home/pcjc2/geda/bin:$PATH echo export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/home/pcjc2/geda/lib/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH echo export GUILE_LOAD_PATH=/home/pcjc2/geda/share/guile Probably the PKG_CONFIG_PATH one is not required any more, and possibly ditto for the GUILE_LOAD_PATH one.. I've been using these since way before the gEDA build was unified by Peter Brett, and at least the PKG_CONFIG_PATH one relates to building against the installed libgeda. Beware that pcb and geda only play nice when installed into the same prefix, so you will want to install PCB into both places you install gEDA. Perhaps some kind of symlink to switch between installed versions into one path would also help. Finally, since the stable release and devel release have different SO versions for libgeda, the library is in principle co-installable, but the shared scheme code etc.. won't be. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
