Re: gEDA-user: gnetlist backend

2011-06-11 Thread John Doty

On Jun 9, 2011, at 9:50 PM, Frank Thomson wrote:

 The netlist requires these PADS in the top level schematic be listed at the 
 top of the netlist file, normally I can access pins of an instance by passing 
 a uref to one of the gnetlist primitives (forget which one) and getting back 
 a list of pins but I cannot do that for the very top level schematic, it 
 seems to not have a uref or any way to say give me a list of pins that are 
 in the top level.

Pins are for symbols. You could make a top-level symbol, set source= to the top 
level schematic, and then place that symbol in its own over-the-top schematic. 
That's good for simulation, too.

Or, you can make component symbols representing pads. That's what I do: see 
http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/john_doty/symbols/openIP/02-pads.html

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Re: gEDA-user: High voltage caps in small places

2011-06-11 Thread Bob Paddock
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote:
 Ethan Swint wrote:

 I wonder what materials are available for soldermask and
 if they have higher moisture resistance?

 Maybe conformal coating fits your needs.
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_coating

A very common misconception is that Conformal Coating is a Hermetic
Seal. It is used a lot in the Coal Mines, and the Electronic Industry
in general, to keep the caustic dust etc. off circuit boards.

As Conformal Coating is not a hermetic seal, what real happens is the
impurities in the water are kept away from the circuit, but the water
itself reaches the traces. Since the water is now fairly devoid of
contaminates the water acts more like a dielectric insulator. You
never notice it in a low impedance digital circuit, but unless
debugging is an obsession don't let it get near a RF tuning circuit or
a high impedance sensor.  For example Analog Devices for their
(obsolete?) electrostatic grade OpAmps say to expose to air rather
than coat.

Conformal Coating has lots of applications, however the application
and environment that the product is going to be used in has to be
understood when the system is being designed.


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gEDA-user: Current git master doesn't build

2011-06-11 Thread Markus Hitter

Hi all,

just tried to compile PCB from freshly updated git sources on a  
current Ubuntu, but it won't let me:


: git checkout master
: git pull
: ./configure --disable-doc
...
: make clean
...
: make
...
make(2): no rule to create target hid/gtk/gui-render-pixmap.c, needed  
by hid/gtk/gtk_lists.h. Exit.

(wording translated from german.)

Any clues?


Thanks,
Markus

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gEDA-user: PCB: crash on Find

2011-06-11 Thread Ethan Swint
I compiled PCB from the GL repository a few days ago.  It looks great, 
however, it does crash quite frequently when I use 'F' to find a net's 
connections - no warnings, nothing when I invoke PCB from the command 
line.  I'd like to help pin down this bug, but I'm stymied by two things:
1) I can't locate the git command to tell you exactly what you have 
checked out.  I know it's been answered in the list before, but I 
haven't been able to locate it here or on the web.

2) What should my build configuration be to catch the crash?

Thanks,
Ethan


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Re: gEDA-user: Current git master doesn't build

2011-06-11 Thread Mark
On Saturday 11 June 2011 15:48:04 Markus Hitter wrote:
 Hi all,

 just tried to compile PCB from freshly updated git sources on a

 current Ubuntu, but it won't let me:
 : git checkout master
 : git pull


 Any clues?


 Thanks,
 Markus

When you pull from git you need to run autogen.sh first.

-Mark Stanley


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Re: gEDA-user: Current git master doesn't build

2011-06-11 Thread Markus Hitter


Am 11.06.2011 um 23:39 schrieb Colin D Bennett:


Try re-running 'sh autogen.sh' before configure.


Thanks, Colin, this was it.

Now I get

   disabling 3D rasterization
   segmentation fault

when running the resulting binary and loading a layout, but that's a  
different issue. Also Ubuntu 11.04 AMD64, with Intel internal graphics.


I'll fire up the debugger.


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Re: gEDA-user: Current git master doesn't build

2011-06-11 Thread Richard Barlow
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 00:12 +0200, Markus Hitter wrote:
 Am 11.06.2011 um 23:39 schrieb Colin D Bennett:
 
  Try re-running 'sh autogen.sh' before configure.
 
 Thanks, Colin, this was it.
 
 Now I get
 
 disabling 3D rasterization
 segmentation fault

I also got a segmentation fault after building git master earlier today.
I found it was related to some files left over even after running 'make
distclean' and autogen.sh. I removed the file src/parser_l.{c,h},
rebuilt and it worked fine when loading an old layout of mine.

To someone who knows more about how the PCB build is managed:
Should these files be removed during a 'clean' or 'distclean'?

Rich


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Re: gEDA-user: Current git master doesn't build

2011-06-11 Thread DJ Delorie

 To someone who knows more about how the PCB build is managed:
 Should these files be removed during a 'clean' or 'distclean'?

Not usually, on the assumption that the tools needed to reproduce them
are not as commonly found on user's workstations.

They're supposed to be automatically regenerated if the source
(src/parse_y.y) is updated.


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