Re: gEDA-user: Migration form eagle to gEDA
Am 26.07.2011 um 07:33 schrieb bsali...@gmail.com: 1. Schematic board are decoupled so any changes to schematic need to be re-synced to the board. I haven't figured out the way yet. Look up and use xgsch2pcb. Everything else is too complex for beginners. Emphasis on the x at the first letter. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. (FH) Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: possible collaborators on PCB, gschem [Kicad (or another FOSS tool)]
Larry Doolittle ldool...@recycle.lbl.gov writes: John - On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 01:07:51PM -0500, John Griessen wrote: Larry Doolittle is going to be there in person. What can we tell them to get them interested in gEDA more than KiCAD? Not push and shove, unless someone (not me) goes wild programming between now and October. I have an outline of some ideas I'd like to get across in the talk, and I know I need to review other people's talks on the subject first. Maybe someone (John?) would like to go over my material ahead of time? Not that I need to toe the party line or anything, but it would be nice to give a clear message, consistent with the larger community. There's lots of time. I haven't even boarded the plane yet! I can probably go in person, if that would help. It's a short hop for me. Peter -- Peter Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk Remote Sensing Research Group Surrey Space Centre pgpKHaSeWObjJ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Warp pointer nonesense
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 10:15 -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: Another method of drawing attention to a part of the display that could be helpful is a “tunnel vision” effect: fade most of the display, leaving a small area non-faded around the feature of interest. For instance, when Ubuntu pops up a “Administrator Access Required” dialog requesting password entry. That is something I'd like to try. It might take a bit of fiddling with to get right for all different colour schemes. Personally I always work on a black background for board design. Regards, Colin ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Migration form eagle to gEDA
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:28:21 +0200 Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: Am 26.07.2011 um 07:33 schrieb bsali...@gmail.com: 1. Schematic board are decoupled so any changes to schematic need to be re-synced to the board. I haven't figured out the way yet. Look up and use xgsch2pcb. Everything else is too complex for beginners. Emphasis on the x at the first letter. I mentioned xgsch2pcb in my reply to this message, so I have nothing against it. However, I want to know how clicking File | Import Schematics is “too complex for beginners”. Regards, Colin ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Warp pointer nonesense
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:49:00PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Speaking of pointer warping: why is the pointer not warped when swapping sides (with TAB for example) ? At least it's not done with the lesstif HID. That's intentional. I strongly disagree with that choice. I'm aware that max XWarpPointer claims that There is seldom any reason for calling this function., but this is the exception that confirms the rule IMHO. No, changing the way you look at the board is not a valid reason to rip control of the mouse away from the user. Then there is an inconsistency: the mouse pointer does not move on the screen but the crosshair does move to stay at the point where it was before pressing the TAB key. Then the crosshair jumps back to the pointer position as soon as you move the mouse. Gabriel ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Migration form eagle to gEDA
Am 27.07.2011 um 15:49 schrieb Colin D Bennett: However, I want to know how clicking File | Import Schematics is “too complex for beginners”. Perhaps I still had this multi-page tutorial in mind and forgot about this relative recent function. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. (FH) Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Warp pointer nonesense
Then there is an inconsistency: Yup. Feel free to open a bug report about it so we don't forget. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Anybody ever had a board assembled (pick and place)?
I have had many boards manufactured but never had one also assembled. What are the costs to do this? Are there any (cheap) manufactures that also do pick and place? Do they buy the components for you or do you have to send them reels, meaning you have to buy 1000's of components at a time? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Anybody ever had a board assembled (pick and place)?
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:28 PM, yamazakir2 yamazak...@gmail.com wrote: I have had many boards manufactured but never had one also assembled. What are the costs to do this? Are there any (cheap) manufactures that also do pick and place? Do they buy the components for you or do you have to send them reels, meaning you have to buy 1000's of components at a time? I've addressed those very questions in my hardware blog over the years: Is there a rule of thumb for estimating the cost of getting circuit boards assembled?: http://blog.designer-iii.com/contract_manufacturer/20090616-211514-Is-there-a-rule-of-thumb-for-estimating-the-cost-of-getting-circuit-boards-assembled ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Anybody ever had a board assembled (pick and place)?
I'm planning on having some proto boards assembled by Advanced Circuits (4pcb.com). And yes, I have to supply all the components, and no, they don't provide storage until you've actually put the order in (Many components are very moisture sensitive). On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, yamazakir2 yamazak...@gmail.com wrote: I have had many boards manufactured but never had one also assembled. What are the costs to do this? Are there any (cheap) manufactures that also do pick and place? Do they buy the components for you or do you have to send them reels, meaning you have to buy 1000's of components at a time? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Migration form eagle to gEDA
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:28 AM, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: Look up and use xgsch2pcb. Everything else is too complex for beginners. Emphasis on the x at the first letter. Installed and using it :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Anybody ever had a board assembled (pick and place)?
I sometimes get boards done at 4pcb, I didn't know they do assembly. How much to they charge? And how big of a reel do you have to send them? And you just cut tape the amount of parts you need to assemble the amount of boards you want to manufacture? On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Russell Dill russ.d...@asu.edu wrote: I'm planning on having some proto boards assembled by Advanced Circuits (4pcb.com). And yes, I have to supply all the components, and no, they don't provide storage until you've actually put the order in (Many components are very moisture sensitive). On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, yamazakir2 yamazak...@gmail.com wrote: I have had many boards manufactured but never had one also assembled. What are the costs to do this? Are there any (cheap) manufactures that also do pick and place? Do they buy the components for you or do you have to send them reels, meaning you have to buy 1000's of components at a time? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Anybody ever had a board assembled (pick and place)?
To get an online assembly quote, you have to register on the my4pcb.com site. I don't know how competitive the cost is, but given the quantity and complexity, if I'm going to have an assembly house fck up a PCB that I had prototyped, I'd rather it be the house that make the PCB. I didn't ask about reels because my quantities are not up in the reel numbers. They also have a page with assembly house referrals. On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:35 PM, yamazakir2 yamazak...@gmail.com wrote: I sometimes get boards done at 4pcb, I didn't know they do assembly. How much to they charge? And how big of a reel do you have to send them? And you just cut tape the amount of parts you need to assemble the amount of boards you want to manufacture? On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Russell Dill russ.d...@asu.edu wrote: I'm planning on having some proto boards assembled by Advanced Circuits (4pcb.com). And yes, I have to supply all the components, and no, they don't provide storage until you've actually put the order in (Many components are very moisture sensitive). On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, yamazakir2 yamazak...@gmail.com wrote: I have had many boards manufactured but never had one also assembled. What are the costs to do this? Are there any (cheap) manufactures that also do pick and place? Do they buy the components for you or do you have to send them reels, meaning you have to buy 1000's of components at a time? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Anybody ever had a board assembled (pick and place)?
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:35 AM, yamazakir2 yamazak...@gmail.com wrote: I sometimes get boards done at 4pcb, I didn't know they do assembly. How much to they charge? And how big of a reel do you have to send them? And you just cut tape the amount of parts you need to assemble the amount of boards you want to manufacture? A length of tape with no reel can be put onto a spare reel quite easily, there's usually no charge. The tape does need a leader of around 300mm (varies) that has no components. If your tape has no leader then one option is to junk the components on the leader length - not very expensive if you're talking about 60 millicent resistors but a problem for expensive components. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Anybody ever had a board assembled (pick and place)?
On 07/27/2011 05:57 PM, Stephen Ecob wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:35 AM, yamazakir2yamazak...@gmail.com wrote: I sometimes get boards done at 4pcb, I didn't know they do assembly. How much to they charge? And how big of a reel do you have to send them? And you just cut tape the amount of parts you need to assemble the amount of boards you want to manufacture? A length of tape with no reel can be put onto a spare reel quite easily, there's usually no charge. The tape does need a leader of around 300mm (varies) that has no components. If your tape has no leader then one option is to junk the components on the leader length - not very expensive if you're talking about 60 millicent resistors but a problem for expensive components. One house I've worked with is Advanced Assembly, which is just down the street from Advanced Circuits. (They'll pick your boards up from 4PCB's will-call.) IIRC, it was ~$100 for the first moderate board (150 or so SMT components), add ~$30 if you do SMT on both sides, and $0.50 per thru-hole device. Additional boards run cheaper, as usual, and they will do a quick-turn on the first two or three boards and send them to you to verify before populating the rest of the order. The quick-turn boards are billed at the same rate as the rest of the order, so you don't pay a premium on them. A Assembly will purchase components on your behalf, but of course you pay a bit extra for that. If you 'kit' the components yourself, you can send them your BOM and they will send back kitting labels similar to what you get on Digikey parts (mfg, mfg PN, refdes, description, internal bar-code, etc.) that you stick onto your components, either reel or cut-tape. They can do 0603s reliably, 0402s have a significant mortality rate. Regards, Ethan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
