Re: gEDA-user: Commandline option --menu-file
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 01:15:32PM -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:44:12 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak kn...@iqo.uni-hannover.de wrote: d) While menues can be ripped off and used as a toolbox, they don't remember their state beyond the end of the session. This essentially prevents persistent user configuration of the GUI. Actually, the GTK tear-off menus are currently broken. I can tear off menus, but the items cannot be activated by clicking them. I can confirm this, but You can select them and hit enter to activate them. I used to use the View | Grid Size menu as a tear-off menu constantly, and it was very helpful. I really miss it, but was hoping the “New Grids” feature would be finished and pushed to mainline pcb to supercede that need. The gtk gui needs to be completely revamped. There are many individual things to be done, but we don't have enough developers to get to them all soon. -- Andrew Poelstra Email: asp11 at sfu.ca OR apoelstra at wpsoftware.net Web: http://www.wpsoftware.net/andrew/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 01:46:24PM -0700, Steven Michalske wrote: On Aug 19, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:41:58PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: [...] Though, I am still unsure how to indicate that the last 4 layers can't be used for drawing. Put the item names in parenthesis. A little padlock icon is universal as a locked thingy. I will play with this idea. Probably I can fit a small padlock onto the bottom-right corner of the swatches. How clear this will be from a user perspective, I will not know until I try it. -- Andrew Poelstra Email: asp11 at sfu.ca OR apoelstra at wpsoftware.net Web: http://www.wpsoftware.net/andrew/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Commandline option --menu-file
Colin D Bennet: Actually, the GTK tear-off menus are currently broken. You can forget about GTK tear-off. The gtk devs has deprecated them and they will probably go away in the future [1]. Regards, /Karl Hammar [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=602882 --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary
On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 08:09 -0700, Andrew Poelstra wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 01:46:24PM -0700, Steven Michalske wrote: On Aug 19, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:41:58PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: [...] Though, I am still unsure how to indicate that the last 4 layers can't be used for drawing. Put the item names in parenthesis. A little padlock icon is universal as a locked thingy. Also, try italicised text. That might make them appear distinct. Bear in mind that the current layer chooser doesn't make any distinction here, so it shouldn't trip people up _that_ much if we don't differentiate them. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Commandline option --menu-file
Hi all, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Karl Hammar Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:35 AM To: geda-user@moria.seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Commandline option --menu-file Colin D Bennet: Actually, the GTK tear-off menus are currently broken. You can forget about GTK tear-off. The gtk devs has deprecated them and they will probably go away in the future [1]. Regards, /Karl Hammar [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=602882 -- - Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 I already read this thread [1] some time ago (2010-ish) and see things have not changed for the better. No need to spend time/effort for the geda-devs to fix a broken dead end. Better create a non-modal popup dialog when neeeded, instead of a tear-off menu. Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. rant in sarcastic mode I think tear-offs are very useful in cautiously selected GUI designs and throwing them out of the window looks like an example of dictatorship with backroom politcs and to have or not to have commit access. If maintaining features is a burden, then let's remove some more, or even better, all features from GTK so to make life of the GTK-developers easier, and this waye even more users will disapointed. If one is not up to the job (a.k.a. wannabee), please do not accept it, you're sitting in the seat of a better developer. I know I'm not a (very) good C developer, so I stay out of the way. /rant ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 09:55:17AM +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: Also, try italicised text. That might make them appear distinct. This might work. So might coloring the text. But this has the same problem as putting text in parentheses: at first glance, this visual indicator might mean -anything-. Bear in mind that the current layer chooser doesn't make any distinction here, so it shouldn't trip people up _that_ much if we don't differentiate them. The current UI does a very good job on this point: there are no radio buttons to select the bottom layers, so it is very clear that they cannot be selected. At the same time, the visibility toggle buttons are identical for each layer, so it is clear that visibility can be toggled for everything. What we need to do with the treeview/swatch widget, is to indicate that the swatch still works for toggling visibility, but you can't actually select the layer for drawing. -- Andrew Poelstra Email: asp11 at sfu.ca OR apoelstra at wpsoftware.net Web: http://www.wpsoftware.net/andrew/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:55:17 +0100 Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 08:09 -0700, Andrew Poelstra wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 01:46:24PM -0700, Steven Michalske wrote: On Aug 19, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:41:58PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: [...] Though, I am still unsure how to indicate that the last 4 layers can't be used for drawing. Put the item names in parenthesis. A little padlock icon is universal as a locked thingy. Also, try italicised text. That might make them appear distinct. Bear in mind that the current layer chooser doesn't make any distinction here, so it shouldn't trip people up _that_ much if we don't differentiate them. Another thought comes to mind: How about a simple horizontal rule separating the read-only layers from the rest? I figured this subject might benefit from a n00b's perspective, so I asked my husband for his input. He's quite computer savvy, but has never touched an EDA program (let alone PCB). He suggests visibly separating the two sets, combined with italic text for the read-only items. -- There are some things in life worth obsessing over. Most things aren't, and when you learn that, life improves. http://digitalaudioconcepts.com Vanessa Ezekowitz vanessaezekow...@gmail.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary
3 hours and 55 minutes ago, Vanessa Ezekowitz vanessaezekow...@gmail.com wrote: Another thought comes to mind: How about a simple horizontal rule separating the read-only layers from the rest? Good idea. 3 hours and two minutes in the future, Andrew Poelstra as...@sfu.ca wrote: This might work. So might coloring the text. But this has the same problem as putting text in parentheses: at first glance, this visual indicator might mean -anything-. I agree - italics / parentheses would leave me wondering what does that mean ? Other possibly helpful indicators: 1. As the user moves their pointer over the layers, dynamically show a half strength current-layer indicator - but of course only for the layers that can be selected. half strength could be done by (say) averaging the colour used to indicate the current layer with the background colour. The half strength changes to full strength and actual selection when the mouse is clicked. 2. If the user insists on clicking on a non selectable layer then display text that explains why they can't select it. The text could be displayed in the Message Log window, or possibly in a pop up dialog box. 'Layer Vias can be displayed or hidden, but cannot be selected as the current editing layer' Just my $0.02, don't know how much work it would be to code these. Regards, Stephen Stephen Ecob Silicon On Inspiration Sydney Australia www.sioi.com.au ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary
If you had an icon that meant you're editing this one (a pencil?) simply putting an X in that spot for non-editable layers would prevent you from thinking you could click there. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
