Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 0/4][PCB] Color setting updates
the 50,000 dollar a seat software seems to thing like this as well.
my 2 cents
have color schemes,
base the selection of the color scheme based upon the groups in the
layout.
groups are defined like
[pcb_colors] = {default|override} component: color1, color2, color3,
color4; solder: color 5, color6, color7, color8; inner1: color9,
color10; ...
default means that the user want these to be default values
override states that use my global or project directory colors
loading colors from the pcb file ignores default/override
having color definitions be in a file under the local project
directory allows for version control to not conflict across
developers. as imbedding them in the pcb files can allow for that.
replace colorX with a coding that we like, hex RGBA ?
e.g.
red at half transparency
#FF80
orange at solid
##FFA500FF
I think the gtk color picker should have these values, inkscape shows
them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors for all the pretty
options :-P
hardkrash
On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:54:38 +, David SMITH wrote:
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:16:25AM -0600, Peter Tyser wrote:
4 I imagine some users might not want to inherit the colors of the
PCBs
they open.
I'd agree with this. Remember that some of us are colourblind, so we
might choose colour schemes that seem wierd to normal people.
On the other hand, sensible colors depend on the layer stack. For
example
I like to use three layers for top and another three for bottom
(tracks,
ground and polygons). With this set-up the default colors don't fit at
all. There is no problem as long as I edit only my own layouts.
However,
if given to someone else for a review, he needs to install and load my
color table to get a decent impression on screen.
Footprints are a in in this aspect too. Converting from buffer to
element
only considers the first two layers. So, my default layer stack
won't fit
and sensible colors are closer to the default color scheme. However,
pcb
insists to load the color scheme of the last session and I have to
got to
file-preferences-colors to load the proper colors.
How about loading a color table in the local directory by default if
it
exists. Just like we do with gschemrc? This would allow me to set
colors
on a per project base. This would relieve me from changing the color
table once per session. If I share a project, the receiver does not
need
to install my colors into his pcb config dir.
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Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 0/4][PCB] Color setting updates
Peter Tyser wrote: 4 I imagine some users might not want to inherit the colors of the PCBs they open. The way I think of it, having inheritable colors in a global place and user defined colors in a ~/.pcb file plus a load/save function is a way to satisfy the most picky, and have a reasonable default for tutorials and newbies. That means defining colors in two places, where one is not used, or just the one place, to handle defaults. Having the defaults still there in the central location makes updates easy while keeping your customizations, and if you want to revert a drawing to them in order to share it more universally. John -- Ecosensory Austin TX ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 0/4][PCB] Color setting updates
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:16:25AM -0600, Peter Tyser wrote: 4 I imagine some users might not want to inherit the colors of the PCBs they open. I'd agree with this. Remember that some of us are colourblind, so we might choose colour schemes that seem wierd to normal people. I agree that it would be nice to have the ability to store colors in a .pcb file, but I thought that these changes would be an improvement with or without that feature. If others have some suggestions as far as a cleaner implementation or about saving/loading colors in the .pcb files I'd be happy to give it a go. Personally, I'd say that a .pcb file should describe the attributes of the PCB itself, not how the application should display it. Things like display colours of layers should be defined by the user's global settings. -- David SmithWork Email: dave.sm...@st.com STMicroelectronics Home Email: david.sm...@ds-electronics.co.uk Bristol, England GPG Key: 0xF13192F2 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 0/4][PCB] Color setting updates
In my case, I want different color schemes for 2 and 4 layer boards, for example. If I set up layer groups for filled polygons, I'd want yet another scheme (the m4a-4m board is two layer but eight drawing layers, I used shades of base colors for each type of signal on each layer). ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 0/4][PCB] Color setting updates
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 04:54:38PM +, David SMITH wrote: On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:16:25AM -0600, Peter Tyser wrote: 4 I imagine some users might not want to inherit the colors of the PCBs they open. I'd agree with this. Remember that some of us are colourblind, so we might choose colour schemes that seem wierd to normal people. I agree. Personally, I'd say that a .pcb file should describe the attributes of the PCB itself, not how the application should display it. Things like display colours of layers should be defined by the user's global settings. I agree. -- Ben Jackson AD7GD b...@ben.com http://www.ben.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 0/4][PCB] Color setting updates
On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:54:38 +, David SMITH wrote: On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:16:25AM -0600, Peter Tyser wrote: 4 I imagine some users might not want to inherit the colors of the PCBs they open. I'd agree with this. Remember that some of us are colourblind, so we might choose colour schemes that seem wierd to normal people. On the other hand, sensible colors depend on the layer stack. For example I like to use three layers for top and another three for bottom (tracks, ground and polygons). With this set-up the default colors don't fit at all. There is no problem as long as I edit only my own layouts. However, if given to someone else for a review, he needs to install and load my color table to get a decent impression on screen. Footprints are a in in this aspect too. Converting from buffer to element only considers the first two layers. So, my default layer stack won't fit and sensible colors are closer to the default color scheme. However, pcb insists to load the color scheme of the last session and I have to got to file-preferences-colors to load the proper colors. How about loading a color table in the local directory by default if it exists. Just like we do with gschemrc? This would allow me to set colors on a per project base. This would relieve me from changing the color table once per session. If I share a project, the receiver does not need to install my colors into his pcb config dir. ---(kaimartin)--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de GPG key:http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Knaak+kmkop=get ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 0/4][PCB] Color setting updates
Hi DJ, On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 01:28 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: Personally, I think the direction we should be going in is *to* saving layer color information in .pcb files. Not sure how much of an argument I'd have for the non-layer colors though. me thinks user expectations and consistency apply here. IMHO, if we were to make the above change it's either all colors or keep as is (do not change). doing nothing is a choice as well as choosing one of all the other possibilities :) my EUR 0.02 Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. BTW: I did google for my EUR 0.02 bert and came up with EUR 4,98 :) now -- EUR 5.00 , time for a donation to LF. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 0/4][PCB] Color setting updates
On 3/3/09, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Personally, I think the direction we should be going in is *to* saving layer color information in .pcb files. Not sure how much of an argument I'd have for the non-layer colors though. That thought crossed my mind too but I reasoned: 1. Whether the colors are stored in the PCB structure or global settings structure, the colors fields should only be defined once. (eg ViaColor should not be defined in 2 different places). 2. Functions like load_colors_from_pcb() and save_colors_to_pcb() could be added to add the ability to load/save colors from/to a .pcb file. I thought this would be cleaner than having duplicate colors defined at both the global and PCB levels. 3. It made more sense to keep the colors in the global settings structure since many PCBs don't/won't have color information in them and will continue to use the current color setting configuration scheme. 4 I imagine some users might not want to inherit the colors of the PCBs they open. I agree that it would be nice to have the ability to store colors in a .pcb file, but I thought that these changes would be an improvement with or without that feature. If others have some suggestions as far as a cleaner implementation or about saving/loading colors in the .pcb files I'd be happy to give it a go. I believe the last 3 patches should apply even if the 1st one is rejected FWIW. Thanks, Peter ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
