Re: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
I've been thinking about VMWare vs a live CD for gEDA, and it seems that both should be available. A VMWare image is great for all the reasons that have been talked about. A live CD is good for people who just want to try something (no installation required). I've been working on a live CD version which I would be happy to share (if people are interested and if there is a Web site I could post it onto). It's not perfect yet, but this is what it is. It's an Ubuntu Edgey Live CD with gschem, pcb , gnucap, iverilog, and the support utilities all installed. I pulled out some of the Edgey language support and the Evolution app to make room for the gEDA. Once you boot off of it, it also gives you the option of installing Ubuntu on your hard drive. (This has some interesting possibilities for VMWare users. You can boot it under VMWare, and install it to create a VMWare image.) Steve ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
Steve Morss wrote: It's an Ubuntu Edgey Live CD with gschem, pcb , gnucap, iverilog, and the support utilities all installed. gives you the option of installing Ubuntu on your hard drive. (This has some interesting possibilities for VMWare users. You can boot it under VMWare, and install it to create a VMWare image.) How large? I'll put it up, (for a while even if it fills a CD), on my webserver... John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
It's a full CD, so the ISO is ~700MB. It's got a complete Ubuntu installation kit on it, and the live CD part has a pretty good development environment and set of Unix applications (all from Edgey). If you let me know where I should put it, I'll put it there for you. Steve . John Griessen wrote: Steve Morss wrote: It's an Ubuntu Edgey Live CD with gschem, pcb , gnucap, iverilog, and the support utilities all installed. gives you the option of installing Ubuntu on your hard drive. (This has some interesting possibilities for VMWare users. You can boot it under VMWare, and install it to create a VMWare image.) How large? I'll put it up, (for a while even if it fills a CD), on my webserver... John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
RE: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
That would be perfect, question is will the gEDA suite run on it? I have minimal Linux knowledge and I cannot answer that question. Anyone? From: Kai-Martin Knaak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: gEDA user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org To: geda-user@seul.org Subject: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:19:42 + (UTC) On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:51:45 -0600, Mike Hansen wrote: I suppose a torrent option is also viable. I know many of the linux VMWare images are done this way. How about an image based on one of the small footprint distros like DamnSmallLinux? Those might reduce the size of the image quite a bit. In addition they tend to rely on fast running light window managers etc. ---(kaimartin)--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak http://lilalaser.de/blog ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user _ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
Mike Hansen wrote: That would be perfect, question is will the gEDA suite run on it? It takes a little work to get one of those set up. It's possible. Debian is easier to set up a distro with minimal anything beyond what gEDA needs. Fedora is already done. How much different would the VMware image be from Fedora to damnsmalllinux? The VMware binary still is a large chunk of that 500MB Fedora image I bet. John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
That 500MB does not include VMWare. You simply link to the VMWare player download. My feeling this is irrelevant in the discussion. My uncompressed VMWare image for Fedora5 is ~3GB. I am guessing compressed you are looking at a 500MB download. I suspect you could do a stripped down version of the distro without things like OO that might help in that dept. If you want to pull in a broader audience this is a great way to go. You don't have to do anything to your Windows system other than to install VMWare Player and download the image. We have the opporunity here to setup the image with everything in place from footprints, libraries, have the file system all setup to allow novice users to be productive right out of the box. No ./configure, no make, nothing. Had this been available when I first started using gEDA it would have saved me a lot of headaches. From: John Griessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],gEDA user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org To: gEDA user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:27:41 -0600 Mike Hansen wrote: That would be perfect, question is will the gEDA suite run on it? It takes a little work to get one of those set up. It's possible. Debian is easier to set up a distro with minimal anything beyond what gEDA needs. Fedora is already done. How much different would the VMware image be from Fedora to damnsmalllinux? The VMware binary still is a large chunk of that 500MB Fedora image I bet. John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user _ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, John Griessen wrote: Mike Hansen wrote: That would be perfect, question is will the gEDA suite run on it? It takes a little work to get one of those set up. It's possible. Debian is easier to set up a distro with minimal anything beyond what gEDA needs. Fedora is already done. How much different would the VMware image be from Fedora to damnsmalllinux? The VMware binary still is a large chunk of that 500MB Fedora image I bet. About debian, i had such a project some time ago (you may remember it John, you have tested it for me). It is a big tar.gz (~60 megs) and it unpacks a debian with all the libs and binaries needed to run (an old version of) geda and pcb. It was not too hard to create it. The only part that actually needed some thinking was how to get it work in a chroot with the already running X server. The tarball was intended to solve the problem of non-debian linux users who didn't want to install dependencies (but had an X server and chroot installed, both considered a common thing imo). To make it standalone, one would need to add an X server and a kernel and maybe some basic programs to communicate with the host system (depending on what emulator is targeted). I think a compressed tarball or image still could be below 128 megs, which should be acceptable for the target audience. For compression I would recommend squashfs in the long run. A nice example on using squashfs is iSteve's Olive, which is a live cd featuring abiword, mozilla, irc clients and other common apps and takes only about 70 megs to download. In case anyone wants to try the chroot geda out or experiment with the idea, the url is http://inno.bme.hu/~igor2/geda-test ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
Igor2 wrote: About debian, i had such a project some time ago The only part that actually needed some thinking was how to get it work in a chroot with the already running X server. [jg]Is that a working thing, now? A nice example on using squashfs is iSteve's Olive, which is a live cd featuring abiword, mozilla, irc clients and other common apps and takes only about 70 megs [jg]That sounds good for putting on a USB flash drive...which might seem even more convenient to some than turning on VMware -- only for customers with a linux box of course, and we were talking windows... But back to windows -- Can VMware be called from a script so when you plug in a USB flash drive, the equivalent of autoexec.bat runs VMware player or server and loads the image? The flash drive setup has one more benefit to a rushed, high dollar burning customer; it has writable some leftover storage space for your design files from the start with no extra setup time required. John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, John Griessen wrote: Igor2 wrote: About debian, i had such a project some time ago The only part that actually needed some thinking was how to get it work in a chroot with the already running X server. [jg]Is that a working thing, now? Yes, as it's totally independent of the host linux, as long as the host has an X server and mount --bind and chroot, it should work. A nice example on using squashfs is iSteve's Olive, which is a live cd featuring abiword, mozilla, irc clients and other common apps and takes only about 70 megs [jg]That sounds good for putting on a USB flash drive...which might seem even more convenient to some than turning on VMware -- only for customers with a linux box of course, and we were talking windows... You would need to replace the booting process i think (it boots with isolinux which is for CDs, i am not sure what's needed for usb). For windows, if i get it right vmware would run a linux from an image, and i wanted to point out that we already have a relatively small tarball which could be used as a base for such an image. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: I just downloaded it and installed it in a vmplayer on my linux dektop box. Next, I will try to install geda on this virtual place. Also, I have to figure out how to slow down my optical mouse in dsl-n. You're off and running Kai-Martin. I think this idea could get coolness mindshare and so forth, since U. professors use it on their students these days. It's already being promoted! Yay! Some of the folks on this list disdaining the inrush of Windows users nagging about absent features normal in a commercial Windows app may shudder to think how close we may be to such a surge of user-base... er.. uh... baseness... John Griessen ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
RE: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
VMWare performance is very good on any 2GHz+ machine. It just works. The only real hook is with networking, unfortunately they best I've been able to get working is either shared directories or ftp between virtual machine and host. But internet access has always been a piece of cake, no problem whatsoever. This really is a good solution to the Windows crowd who have no desire to run Linux on a box. I know recently PCB and gSchem have made some strides to work under cygwin/mingw, but really it's a lot of work to get it going(PCB has always worked well under cygwin with the right libraries installed, gschem was always frozen in time with an old mingw compile). It's braindead simple to use, install VMWare player, drop VMWare image on the machine. No install issues, no compatibility issues. From: Kai-Martin Knaak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: gEDA user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org To: geda-user@seul.org Subject: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:00:11 + (UTC) On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:44:27 -0600, John Griessen wrote: I suppose some people might have 5 or so disk images they use in order to avoid integrating it all and getting 5 tools/entertainment_programs that way. Don't know about some people. But to me a vmplayer is a bridge to windows, that win users accept. Is VMware's emulation now THAT good, that the usual 2GHz+ hardware has no trouble with it? Not with such a slender application like geda on linux :^) and they offer a freebie now? (If you get someone else's image) I guess, it is a means to prevent competitors from entering the market via the low price segment. ---(kaimartin)--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak http://lilalaser.de/blog ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user _ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
I suppose a torrent option is also viable. I know many of the linux VMWare images are done this way. From: John Griessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],gEDA user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org To: gEDA user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:50:52 -0600 Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Probably the thing that's holding this up is who wants to host a 500MB+ download? Hmm. I am tempted to volunteer. My webspace is mostly unused. Monthly traffic is 10GB only, I have a server with about 94GB going unused each month. I'll put it up for a while and see... After, (if), traffic gets to 50GB, I'll stop it. John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user _ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN® Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102tcode=T001MSN20A0701 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Probably the thing that's holding this up is who wants to host a 500MB+ download? Hmm. I am tempted to volunteer. My webspace is mostly unused. Monthly traffic is 10GB only, I have a server with about 94GB going unused each month. I'll put it up for a while and see... After, (if), traffic gets to 50GB, I'll stop it. John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
