Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
Armin Faltl wrote: I thought my hint about being a product and advertising was self explanatory. You think, that this is a cool device, because it won't be found. If it's a product and get's advertised, every reasonable bike thieve will know about and look for it. Lojack gets results for cars. There's bound to be some way to do something that fits in with what happens with bikes. Why give up so easy? Taking the headset off a bike is not too long or difficult on some kinds. That might be an access point for some RF transparent frames. A thief would not get results taking headsets off bikes he wanted to take... JG ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
I thought my hint about being a product and advertising was self explanatory. You think, that this is a cool device, because it won't be found. If it's a product and get's advertised, every reasonable bike thieve will know about and look for it. Either it's in an accessible place and flys into the next garbage bin after 30 seconds, or you have to cut your cool carbon frames appart to install it in place where a simple iron rod can't incapacitate it. Just my 2 Cents, Armin Bert Timmerman wrote: Hi, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of David C. Kerber Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:48 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint Yeah, I was thinking the same thing; I've got a fair amount invested in my bikes... -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of John Griessen Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:03 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint David C. Kerber wrote: If you've got a carbon frame, you could drop it into the seat tube, where it would never be seen, and therefore never removed by a thief... This really does sound like a product since bikes can cost these days. John Yes, it's viable a product. Insuring against theft for a EUR 700 bike may cost me EUR 98 per 3 years without Biketheft Protection Chip (BPC), and EUR 85 with BPC for the same period. Maybe you can guestimate the price any consumer in my area would pay for your device ;-) based on above figures. Bike theft is one of the most commited (and not resolved) crimes in the Netherlands. Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
Hi, > -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of David C. Kerber > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:48 PM > To: gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint > > Yeah, I was thinking the same thing; I've got a fair amount > invested in my bikes... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of John Griessen > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:03 PM > > To: gEDA user mailing list > > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint > > > > David C. Kerber wrote: > > > If you've got a carbon frame, you could drop it into the > > seat tube, where it would never be seen, and therefore > never removed > > by a thief... > > > > This really does sound like a product since bikes can cost > these days. > > > > John > > Yes, it's viable a product. Insuring against theft for a EUR 700 bike may cost me EUR 98 per 3 years without Biketheft Protection Chip (BPC), and EUR 85 with BPC for the same period. Maybe you can guestimate the price any consumer in my area would pay for your device ;-) based on above figures. Bike theft is one of the most commited (and not resolved) crimes in the Netherlands. Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
Being a product, it has to be advertised... John Griessen wrote: David C. Kerber wrote: If you've got a carbon frame, you could drop it into the seat tube, where it would never be seen, and therefore never removed by a thief... This really does sound like a product since bikes can cost these days. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing; I've got a fair amount invested in my bikes... > -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of John Griessen > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:03 PM > To: gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint > > David C. Kerber wrote: > > If you've got a carbon frame, you could drop it into the > seat tube, where it would never be seen, and therefore never > removed by a thief... > > This really does sound like a product since bikes can cost these days. > > John > > > ___ > geda-user mailing list > geda-user@moria.seul.org > http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user > ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
David C. Kerber wrote: If you've got a carbon frame, you could drop it into the seat tube, where it would never be seen, and therefore never removed by a thief... This really does sound like a product since bikes can cost these days. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
If you've got a carbon frame, you could drop it into the seat tube, where it would never be seen, and therefore never removed by a thief... > -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of > kai-martin knaak > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:20 PM > To: geda-u...@seul.org > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint > > Tamas Szabo wrote: > > > Well, I plan to use my own vehicle tracking module with SIM508 > > Just skipped through the hardware specification ---> Wow! > What a wealth of features in such a tiny package. GPS, GSM > and a TCP/IP stack, too. This is true technology magic. > > My bike was stolen today at work. On the way home by foot I > daydreamed I had a way to localize it. A device that would > wake up in the middle of the night and check if it is at one > of a number of "safe" places. If not, it would send an SMS > with its current position to my cell phone... > This might be the hardware to actually make it come true. > This little SIM508 complimented with a little processor, a > battery and a sim card would make for a pretty small package. > Maybe it fits in a bulky backlight. ;-) > > ---<)kaimartin(>--- > -- > Kai-Martin Knaak > Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x6C0B9F53 > > > > ___ > geda-user mailing list > geda-user@moria.seul.org > http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user > ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
kai-martin knaak wrote: Tamas Szabo wrote: Well, I plan to use my own vehicle tracking module with SIM508 Just skipped through the hardware specification ---> Wow! What a wealth of features in such a tiny package. GPS, GSM and a TCP/IP stack, too. This is true technology magic. My bike was stolen today at work. :-((( On the way home by foot I daydreamed I had a way to localize it. A device that would wake up in the middle of the night and check if it is at one of a number of "safe" places. If not, it would send an SMS with its current position to my cell phone... This might be the hardware to actually make it come true. This little SIM508 complimented with a little processor, a battery and a sim card would make for a pretty small package. Maybe it fits in a bulky backlight. ;-) Definitely! Furthermore, you can charge the battery by driving. It is a good idea. Would like to by a cycle it the near future ---<)kaimartin(>--- /sza2 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
On May 4, 2010, at 7:19 PM, kai-martin knaak wrote: Well, I plan to use my own vehicle tracking module with SIM508 Just skipped through the hardware specification ---> Wow! What a wealth of features in such a tiny package. GPS, GSM and a TCP/IP stack, too. This is true technology magic. My bike was stolen today at work. On the way home by foot I daydreamed I had a way to localize it. A device that would wake up in the middle of the night and check if it is at one of a number of "safe" places. If not, it would send an SMS with its current position to my cell phone... This might be the hardware to actually make it come true. This little SIM508 complimented with a little processor, a battery and a sim card would make for a pretty small package. Maybe it fits in a bulky backlight. ;-) Wow, that does sound like a great idea. I'm sorry to hear about your bike. I hope you're eventually able to break the fingers of the perpetrator. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
Tamas Szabo wrote: > Well, I plan to use my own vehicle tracking module with SIM508 Just skipped through the hardware specification ---> Wow! What a wealth of features in such a tiny package. GPS, GSM and a TCP/IP stack, too. This is true technology magic. My bike was stolen today at work. On the way home by foot I daydreamed I had a way to localize it. A device that would wake up in the middle of the night and check if it is at one of a number of "safe" places. If not, it would send an SMS with its current position to my cell phone... This might be the hardware to actually make it come true. This little SIM508 complimented with a little processor, a battery and a sim card would make for a pretty small package. Maybe it fits in a bulky backlight. ;-) ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
Well, I plan to use my own vehicle tracking module with SIM508 - I already ordered one (it is reasonably cheap, and it has a GPS as well, however it is only GPRS capable). Actually I want to build it into my mum's car to check her on the net, where she drives:-))) Anyway I already made the symbol and footprint of simcard holder and I use zero with pad for keepout - well, maybe it is not nice, but safe: it is better to appear ugly than a short sim card signals. Later on, if anyone interested in, I glad to share the design, but I think it will not be ready in a week or two. /sza2 kai-martin knaak wrote: Tamas Szabo wrote: Currently I make a footprint for an Amphenol SIMLOCK adapter You are building your own mobile phone! That's a cool project. ---<)kaimartin(>--- ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
> uh.. theres no way to specify route/fill keepout area? Not really. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
uh.. theres no way to specify route/fill keepout area? On 5/4/10, Tamas Szabo wrote: > John Luciani wrote: >> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Tamas Szabo wrote: >>> John Luciani wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Tamas Szabo wrote: > My best idea is, that I do it by pads which have a zero width and a > specified clearance. Unfortunately, those will have a rounded corner, > so > rectangular corner seems impossible (I can reduce the radius, if I make > it > from more pieces, but it never will be zero). A zero width pad may fail the DRC. Being able to specify keepouts would be a welcome addition to the footprint file format. I use the silkscreen to provide keepout hints. Not ideal but it works. (* jcl *) >>> Thanks, could you show me an example? >>> >> >> The two that I can think of right now are -- >> >> CON_USB_MINI_B__Molex_67503-1020 at >> http://www.luciani.org/geda/pcb/footprints-gif/Connector-gif.html >> IIRC the hashed area is a keepout (at least it has been all of >> my designs ;) >> >> For ANT_FOLDED_DIPOLE__Chipcon_2500 >> http://www.luciani.org/geda/pcb/footprints-gif/misc-gif.html >> The keepout is indicated by a single line. >> >> Just layout hints nothing fancy. >> >> (* jcl *) >> > Ok, I see now. I also plan to indicate the must-keep-free area on the silk. > > So unfortunately it seems that there is no any technique which avoid > things like copper-pour to fill those areas:-( > > By the way, thanks for your help and also the lots of footprints you > share with us continuously:-) > > /sza2 > > > ___ > geda-user mailing list > geda-user@moria.seul.org > http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user > ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
Tamas Szabo wrote: > Currently I make a footprint for an Amphenol SIMLOCK adapter You are building your own mobile phone! That's a cool project. ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
John Luciani wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Tamas Szabo wrote: John Luciani wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Tamas Szabo wrote: My best idea is, that I do it by pads which have a zero width and a specified clearance. Unfortunately, those will have a rounded corner, so rectangular corner seems impossible (I can reduce the radius, if I make it from more pieces, but it never will be zero). A zero width pad may fail the DRC. Being able to specify keepouts would be a welcome addition to the footprint file format. I use the silkscreen to provide keepout hints. Not ideal but it works. (* jcl *) Thanks, could you show me an example? The two that I can think of right now are -- CON_USB_MINI_B__Molex_67503-1020 at http://www.luciani.org/geda/pcb/footprints-gif/Connector-gif.html IIRC the hashed area is a keepout (at least it has been all of my designs ;) For ANT_FOLDED_DIPOLE__Chipcon_2500 http://www.luciani.org/geda/pcb/footprints-gif/misc-gif.html The keepout is indicated by a single line. Just layout hints nothing fancy. (* jcl *) Ok, I see now. I also plan to indicate the must-keep-free area on the silk. So unfortunately it seems that there is no any technique which avoid things like copper-pour to fill those areas:-( By the way, thanks for your help and also the lots of footprints you share with us continuously:-) /sza2 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Tamas Szabo wrote: > John Luciani wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Tamas Szabo wrote: >>> >>> My best idea is, that I do it by pads which have a zero width and a >>> specified clearance. Unfortunately, those will have a rounded corner, so >>> rectangular corner seems impossible (I can reduce the radius, if I make >>> it >>> from more pieces, but it never will be zero). >> >> A zero width pad may fail the DRC. Being able to specify keepouts >> would be a welcome addition to the footprint file format. >> >> I use the silkscreen to provide keepout hints. Not ideal but it works. >> >> (* jcl *) >> > Thanks, could you show me an example? > The two that I can think of right now are -- CON_USB_MINI_B__Molex_67503-1020 at http://www.luciani.org/geda/pcb/footprints-gif/Connector-gif.html IIRC the hashed area is a keepout (at least it has been all of my designs ;) For ANT_FOLDED_DIPOLE__Chipcon_2500 http://www.luciani.org/geda/pcb/footprints-gif/misc-gif.html The keepout is indicated by a single line. Just layout hints nothing fancy. (* jcl *) -- Closed Tools + Open Files != Open Hardware You can't create open hardware with closed EDA tools. twitter: http://twitter.com/jluciani blog:http://www.luciani.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
John Luciani wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Tamas Szabo wrote: My best idea is, that I do it by pads which have a zero width and a specified clearance. Unfortunately, those will have a rounded corner, so rectangular corner seems impossible (I can reduce the radius, if I make it from more pieces, but it never will be zero). A zero width pad may fail the DRC. Being able to specify keepouts would be a welcome addition to the footprint file format. I use the silkscreen to provide keepout hints. Not ideal but it works. (* jcl *) Thanks, could you show me an example? /sza2 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Tamas Szabo wrote: > > My best idea is, that I do it by pads which have a zero width and a > specified clearance. Unfortunately, those will have a rounded corner, so > rectangular corner seems impossible (I can reduce the radius, if I make it > from more pieces, but it never will be zero). A zero width pad may fail the DRC. Being able to specify keepouts would be a welcome addition to the footprint file format. I use the silkscreen to provide keepout hints. Not ideal but it works. (* jcl *) -- Closed Tools + Open Files != Open Hardware You can't create open hardware with closed EDA tools. twitter: http://twitter.com/jluciani blog:http://www.luciani.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint
Hi, Currently I make a footprint for an Amphenol SIMLOCK adapter (http://www.amphenol.de/downloads/C707_10M006_500_2.pdf) and there are a few area where copper/wires not allowed. My best idea is, that I do it by pads which have a zero width and a specified clearance. Unfortunately, those will have a rounded corner, so rectangular corner seems impossible (I can reduce the radius, if I make it from more pieces, but it never will be zero). Is there a better way? Thx, /sza2 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
