Re: gEDA-user: Dev list [was: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB]
Peter Clifton wrote: I don't want to get into the world of bad feeling Note, that the current exclusive status produces bad feelings, too. When topics on the dev list affect usability or the future of the project, it transports the impression, that mere mortal users are not supposed to have a say. that singling people out to be banned would cause. You don't need to single out specific people. Just attach a topic policy to the list and let a trusted moderator decide whether posts comply. Technically, every dev might become a moderator. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de GPG key:http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Knaak+kmkop=get ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Dev list [was: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB]
On Thursday 09 Dec 2010 09:35:53 Stephan Boettcher wrote: DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com writes: If you want to become a PCB committer, the process starts by writing good patches, reviewing other people's patches, and being involved in design discussions. When it gets to the point where the maintainers are just checking in whatever you ask, you're in :-) Well, obviously, this path was tried, but requires too much patience to be successful. And then there is that closed gEDA-dev list. How can the above work when the dev list is closed? If I remember correctly, a major factor in the closure of the gEDA-dev list was that the signal to noise ratio became very low. There were several people, few of whom *ever* submitted patches, loudly and rudely telling the people who *were* writing code and having ideas how their approach was wrong, the design was wrong, their ideas were wrong, how dare you change anything, you *must* do it *my* way, etc etc etc. It got to the point that it was actively *hindering* development, because it was very off-putting to the actual developers. Although the discussions on gEDA-dev are less frequent now, at least they are usually quite constructive. Perhaps the time has come to reconsider the role of and access to the gEDA-dev list? How can we ensure that it doesn't collapse into an unproductive bikeshedfest again? Peter -- Peter Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk Remote Sensing Research Group Surrey Space Centre ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Dev list [was: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB]
On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 10:27:31AM +, Peter TB Brett wrote: snip If I remember correctly, a major factor in the closure of the gEDA-dev list was that the signal to noise ratio became very low. There were several people, few of whom *ever* submitted patches, loudly and rudely telling the people who *were* writing code and having ideas how their approach was wrong, the design was wrong, their ideas were wrong, how dare you change anything, you *must* do it *my* way, etc etc etc. It got to the point that it was actively *hindering* development, because it was very off-putting to the actual developers. Although the discussions on gEDA-dev are less frequent now, at least they are usually quite constructive. Perhaps the time has come to reconsider the role of and access to the gEDA-dev list? How can we ensure that it doesn't collapse into an unproductive bikeshedfest again? It may be rude to state, but there are about 3 or 4 persons at most, who cause this sort of frustration on the user mailing list and on irc. I would say if you can set up some sort of simple, short but clear policy about what topics are for the dev list, and ban only those 3-4 persons, opening the dev list would be possible. Regards, Tibor Palinkas ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Dev list [was: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB]
Hi Peter, On 9 December 2010 10:27, Peter TB Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk wrote: Perhaps the time has come to reconsider the role of and access to the gEDA-dev list? How can we ensure that it doesn't collapse into an unproductive bikeshedfest again? Honestly, I don't think that time has come. I still see those same conversations shifted to the user list now and they would simply move back to the dev list again. Gareth ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Dev list [was: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB]
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 11:48 +0100, ge...@igor2.repo.hu wrote: It may be rude to state, but there are about 3 or 4 persons at most, who cause this sort of frustration on the user mailing list and on irc. I would say if you can set up some sort of simple, short but clear policy about what topics are for the dev list, and ban only those 3-4 persons, opening the dev list would be possible. I don't want to get into the world of bad feeling that singling people out to be banned would cause. I'd much rather work on a free and open project than start having an authoritarian one where if you aren't in favour, you are excluded. Perhaps we can draft some mailing list policy for geda-dev which encourage conversation to remain on-topic. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
