Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
Good on you. It really gripes me when open hardware projects use something like Eagle for the schematic/pcb flow. The current object of my derision for doing that is the RepRap foundation. Today there are at least two reasonable choices for open source schematic and pcb design -- why do open hardware projects go with closed-source tool flows? I boggle. -dave On Oct 8, 2010, at 9:56 PM, jeffrey antony wrote: Hello all, I have designed a board named GNUduino ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
Hi, jeffrey antony wrote: The lock names is not set. If possible can you just download the pcb file ( http://github.com/jeffreyantony/GNUduino/blob/master/GNUduino.pcb )and try to move the component descriptors? So you can easily provide a solution for me. I tried a lot but no use. I tried to move the descriptors and saw just one problem: when there is a copper line under the silkscreen you select the line rather than the text. this can be avoided switching off the copper layer. Hope that helps, Ineiev ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
jeffrey antony: ... 1) I have some problems with the PCB files in this design. I am not able to move component descriptors. At present many of the component descriptors are overlapped (eg: R4 and LED14). Please let me know how to move these. In gschem moving the component descriptors are easy to move. I just point at the descriptor, press left button an move it. But if I select it (shown as some light colour), I cannot move it, if so, just leftclick it first to deselect it. If you don't show the solder layer (View-Shown Layers-Solder, or ctrl-2), it is easier, because then you won't by mistake grab a copper trace. You can rightclick the descriptor, and then it will rotate 90°, can be nice. 2) If possible can anyone go through the design files and give a reply about the board? ... On the screen (with pcb), led0/led1/led13 overlaps, but in http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh94/jeffreyantony/P1010578.jpg, they come out just fine. Maybe you are using the wrong footprint. You can add the jumpers in the pcb file as 0-Ohm resistors if you like. That would make the six anonymous holes more understandable. You could make a jumper footprint if you like or use mine at http://aspodata.se/git/openhw/share/pcb/_passive/ Regards, /Karl Hammar - Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 00:24 -0700, jeffrey antony wrote: Hello , The lock names is not set. If possible can you just download the pcb file ( http://github.com/jeffreyantony/GNUduino/blob/master/GNUduino.pcb )and try to move the component descriptors? So you can easily provide a solution for me. I tried a lot but no use. Jeffrey, I tried your board and refdes moving works just as normal. However it's easier to move refdes and alike using the Only Names setting active. Thus you don't accidentally pick up undesired objects. Best Regards, Felipe. -- Felipe De la Puente Christen MSN/GTalk : fdelapue...@gmail.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
Very nice design. I see you have managed to keep it to a single layer board. Very tough to do with so many signal pins. Now I need to design a shield for it that control motor driver H-bridges to control a practice robot for our FIRST FRC competition! Mike ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Dave N6NZ [1]n...@arrl.net wrote: Good on you. It really gripes me when open hardware projects use something like Eagle for the schematic/pcb flow. The current object of my derision for doing that is the RepRap foundation. Today there are at least two reasonable choices for open source schematic and pcb design -- why do open hardware projects go with closed-source tool flows? I boggle. -dave Agreed. I don't have time to click through all the signatories of the OSHW definition ( [2]http://freedomdefined.org/OSHW ) but I know that several of the businesses (Adafruit, DIYdrones, and Sparkfun are on the top of the list) call themselves 'open' because they have Eagle design files. What can we do to gEDA to make it more accessible to these folks? Or, how can we convince these folks and/or their customers that they're in violation of the OSHW license: 2. Necessary Software If the hardware requires software, embedded or otherwise, to operate properly and fulfill its essential functions, then the documentation requirement must also include at least one of the following: The necessary software, released under an OSI-approved open source license, or other sufficient documentation such that it could reasonably be considered straightforward to write open source software that allows the device to operate properly and fulfill its essential functions. Kudos to Jeffrey for adhering to true open-source design! -- Kevin Vermeer References 1. mailto:n...@arrl.net 2. http://freedomdefined.org/OSHW ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
Kevin Vermeer wrote: 2. Necessary Software If the hardware requires software, embedded or otherwise, to operate properly and fulfill its essential functions, then the documentation requirement must also include at least one of the following: The necessary software, released under an OSI-approved open source license, or other sufficient documentation such that it could reasonably be considered straightforward to write open source software that allows the device to operate properly and fulfill its essential functions. This is about the software that runs on the hardware, not about how the HW was created. IMO, a high resolution raster image of the layers and pdf of the schematic would qualify as open HW without problems. Kudos to Jeffrey for adhering to true open-source design! +1 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 19:36 +0200, Armin Faltl wrote: IMO, a high resolution raster image of the layers and pdf of the schematic would qualify as open HW without problems. So each binary executable can be considered open source -- we can manipulate it with a hex editor, maybe with an assembler. A difficult theme, I will stop here, I am no lawyer. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
Hello all, Thanks for the appreciation you have given. The main reason for me to redesign the Arduino was the closed tool used in its present design. Open Hardware projects should use free software for their designs. Even the tool used for hardware design must be open or else whats the use? I think many of the existing open hardware projects are using EAGLE which is closed source. The main inspiration for me to use gEDA was www.evilmadscientist.com. They have a lot of open hardware projects made using gEDA. I had a problem in moving the component descriptors. Its solved now. Thanks Best Regards -- Jeffrey || || JAY FREE W: http://jeffrey.co.in/ M: +919447308066 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
On Oct 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Kevin Vermeer wrote: What can we do to gEDA to make it more accessible to these folks? IMHO, the OP is on the right track. It will take less energy and time to simply fork the designs and push them out to a public repo than to lobby with the originators. I suspect the old issue of libraries is a barrier to the project originators, but by having us (who ever *we are) do the fork and gEDA conversion, we at least must solve the library issues for that one design. After a while, either the open-CAD version will become popular and the project originators will be dragged to open-CAD by their customers, or else it won't. If it doesn't, we need to examine why. -dave ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
I assume one is gEDA... what is the other? Rick At 01:56 AM 10/9/2010, you wrote: Good on you. It really gripes me when open hardware projects use something like Eagle for the schematic/pcb flow. The current object of my derision for doing that is the RepRap foundation. Today there are at least two reasonable choices for open source schematic and pcb design -- why do open hardware projects go with closed-source tool flows? I boggle. -dave On Oct 8, 2010, at 9:56 PM, jeffrey antony wrote: Hello all, I have designed a board named GNUduino ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
Probably KiCad. On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Rick Collins gnuarm.2...@arius.com wrote: I assume one is gEDA... what is the other? Rick At 01:56 AM 10/9/2010, you wrote: Good on you. It really gripes me when open hardware projects use something like Eagle for the schematic/pcb flow. The current object of my derision for doing that is the RepRap foundation. Today there are at least two reasonable choices for open source schematic and pcb design -- why do open hardware projects go with closed-source tool flows? I boggle. -dave On Oct 8, 2010, at 9:56 PM, jeffrey antony wrote: Hello all, I have designed a board named GNUduino ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 13:34 +0200, Karl Hammar wrote: If you don't show the solder layer (View-Shown Layers-Solder, or ctrl-2), it is easier, because then you won't by mistake grab a copper trace. Or select Settings-Only Names which will lock out everything except text from being moved. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
KiCAD -- I haven't tried it myself, so I don't know much about it's capabilities. -dave On Oct 9, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Rick Collins wrote: I assume one is gEDA... what is the other? Rick At 01:56 AM 10/9/2010, you wrote: Good on you. It really gripes me when open hardware projects use something like Eagle for the schematic/pcb flow. The current object of my derision for doing that is the RepRap foundation. Today there are at least two reasonable choices for open source schematic and pcb design -- why do open hardware projects go with closed-source tool flows? I boggle. -dave On Oct 8, 2010, at 9:56 PM, jeffrey antony wrote: Hello all, I have designed a board named GNUduino ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
I thought maybe it was FreePCB. Rick At 09:14 PM 10/9/2010, you wrote: KiCAD -- I haven't tried it myself, so I don't know much about it's capabilities. -dave On Oct 9, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Rick Collins wrote: I assume one is gEDA... what is the other? Rick At 01:56 AM 10/9/2010, you wrote: Good on you. It really gripes me when open hardware projects use something like Eagle for the schematic/pcb flow. The current object of my derision for doing that is the RepRap foundation. Today there are at least two reasonable choices for open source schematic and pcb design -- why do open hardware projects go with closed-source tool flows? I boggle. -dave On Oct 8, 2010, at 9:56 PM, jeffrey antony wrote: Hello all, I have designed a board named GNUduino ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
Hello all, I have designed a board named GNUduino (www.jeffrey.co.in/projects/gnuduino) Long before I had posted in the same mailing list about this board. On that day only the designs were ready. Now I have successfully fabricated the board. Please have a look at it. Design files are available from http://github.com/jeffreyantony/GNUduino GNUduino snapshots http://jeffrey.co.in/blog/2010/10/gnuduino-arduino-made-with-geda/ http://jeffrey.co.in/blog/2010/10/cooking-gnuduino/ Queries 1) I have some problems with the PCB files in this design. I am not able to move component descriptors. At present many of the component descriptors are overlapped (eg: R4 and LED14). Please let me know how to move these. In gschem moving the component descriptors are easy to move. 2) If possible can anyone go through the design files and give a reply about the board? 3) I want to write a plug-in for PCB. Are there any links which can help me in writing the plug-ins ? -- Thanks and Best Regards Jeffrey || JAY FREE W: http://jeffrey.co.in/ M: +918148490036 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA
1) I have some problems with the PCB files in this design. I am not able to move component descriptors. At present many of the component descriptors are overlapped (eg: R4 and LED14). Please let me know how to move these. In gschem moving the component descriptors are easy to move. Make sure lock names setting is not set. 3) I want to write a plug-in for PCB. Are there any links which can help me in writing the plug-ins ? No links, just examples. Basically, you write a source file as if it were going to be linked in, just don't link it in. I have a bunch of plugins here: http://www.delorie.com/pcb/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
