Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 22:32 -0800, Jared Casper wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: I can't help but feel that some log messages are important enough to bother the user about - and others are not.. we'll have to see what people actually using it think, I'm not doing any PCB design work at the moment myself. Maybe add a Warn function along side Message (or something along those lines), and add a flag to HID.log that says whether or not to bring the log window to the foreground? Or go all out and add an enum for severity. It'd be easy to add the plumbing, the hard part would be to go through and decide what Message()s should be Warn()s, etc. I'm sure different severities could be displayed differently in the log quite easily as well... Sounds good. gschem has different message warning levels, but in practice you rarely see them. (Especially as it looses that info if the message window isn't on-screen when the message is logged!) The functionality I saw someplace (was it in your repo?) to attach/embed the log window to the main window will help out with this problem as well I think. Not mine.. I recall the one you're talking about, but I can't remember the location of it. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:30:20 +, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 22:32 -0800, Jared Casper wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: I can't help but feel that some log messages are important enough to bother the user about - and others are not.. we'll have to see what people actually using it think, I'm not doing any PCB design work at the moment myself. Maybe add a Warn function along side Message (or something along those lines), and add a flag to HID.log that says whether or not to bring the log window to the foreground? Or go all out and add an enum for severity. It'd be easy to add the plumbing, the hard part would be to go through and decide what Message()s should be Warn()s, etc. Why not have a bar (in a warning colour) that pops up at the top of the layout window, and disappears after a short interval (say, 2 seconds). Clicking the bar would bring up the message window. This is what my phone (N900, runs Linux) uses for displaying transient warning/notification messages, and it works really nicely. Peter I'm sure different severities could be displayed differently in the log quite easily as well... Sounds good. gschem has different message warning levels, but in practice you rarely see them. (Especially as it looses that info if the message window isn't on-screen when the message is logged!) The functionality I saw someplace (was it in your repo?) to attach/embed the log window to the main window will help out with this problem as well I think. Not mine.. I recall the one you're talking about, but I can't remember the location of it. -- Peter Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk Remote Sensing Research Group Surrey Space Centre ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 11:48 +, Peter TB Brett wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:30:20 +, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 22:32 -0800, Jared Casper wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: I can't help but feel that some log messages are important enough to bother the user about - and others are not.. we'll have to see what people actually using it think, I'm not doing any PCB design work at the moment myself. Maybe add a Warn function along side Message (or something along those lines), and add a flag to HID.log that says whether or not to bring the log window to the foreground? Or go all out and add an enum for severity. It'd be easy to add the plumbing, the hard part would be to go through and decide what Message()s should be Warn()s, etc. Why not have a bar (in a warning colour) that pops up at the top of the layout window, and disappears after a short interval (say, 2 seconds). Clicking the bar would bring up the message window. This is what my phone (N900, runs Linux) uses for displaying transient warning/notification messages, and it works really nicely. Peter Neat idea.. and also seems to be a growingly common idiom in other apps due to the recognition that focus-stealing and popping up dialogs when the user isn't expecting them is poor interaction design, resulting in bad usability if it happens often. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
Hi all, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Peter Clifton Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:30 AM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 22:32 -0800, Jared Casper wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: I can't help but feel that some log messages are important enough to bother the user about - and others are not.. we'll have to see what people actually using it think, I'm not doing any PCB design work at the moment myself. Maybe add a Warn function along side Message (or something along those lines), and add a flag to HID.log that says whether or not to bring the log window to the foreground? Or go all out and add an enum for severity. It'd be easy to add the plumbing, the hard part would be to go through and decide what Message()s should be Warn()s, etc. I'm sure different severities could be displayed differently in the log quite easily as well... Sounds good. gschem has different message warning levels, but in practice you rarely see them. (Especially as it looses that info if the message window isn't on-screen when the message is logged!) The functionality I saw someplace (was it in your repo?) to attach/embed the log window to the main window will help out with this problem as well I think. Not mine.. I recall the one you're talking about, but I can't remember the location of it. Maybe it was the geany app used for coding stuff by some (including me). http://www.geany.org/Documentation/Screenshots Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:48:14 + Peter TB Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk wrote: Why not have a bar (in a warning colour) that pops up at the top of the layout window, and disappears after a short interval (say, 2 seconds). Clicking the bar would bring up the message window. I like this idea, but with one caveat: If the warning/error level that spawned the bar is high enough (i.e. fatal errors such as shorted nets), leave the bar visible until it is clicked, rather than fading it out. -- There are some things in life worth obsessing over. Most things aren't, and when you learn that, life improves. http://starbase.globalpc.net/~ezekowitz Vanessa Ezekowitz vanessaezekow...@gmail.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:53:13 +, Peter Clifton wrote: I can't help but feel that some log messages are important enough to bother the user about I suggest, that gschem (and pcb for that matter) stick to the way most unix applications handle this issue: Truely important messages should be presented as pop-up dialogs. All the rest should be emitted on stdout. If there needs to be a log, this log should be written to a file. ---(kaimartin)--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de GPG key:http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Knaak+kmkop=get ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:32:20 -0800, Jared Casper wrote: Maybe add a Warn function along side Message (or something along those lines), and add a flag to HID.log that says whether or not to bring the log window to the foreground? Or go all out and add an enum for severity. It'd be easy to add the plumbing, the hard part would be to go through and decide what Message()s should be Warn()s, etc. I'm sure different severities could be displayed differently in the log quite easily as well... The functionality I saw someplace (was it in your repo?) to attach/embed the log window to the main window will help out with this problem as well I think. Maybe it was in this thread: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cad.geda.user/27394 You find the patch(es) in the sf tracker: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=2779826group_id=73743atid=538813 The second patch displays a little icon in the status bar when the log is not visible to inform the user about new messages. But the patches still lack of some functionality e.g. remembering the last status of the log- gui when the user leaves the application. Later in the thread mentioned above Peter C. suggest gdl (gnome docking library) for such a change. So I spend the last weeks (unfortunately I was very busy with my b-o-t-job) fighting against a bug in the ubuntu libgdl package. Now some things are clearer and I'am planing to rework my patch with libgdl. And the opportunity for different severities (different colors or little icons, filters, ...) are also in my mind. Frank Bergmann. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Frank Bergmann frank.g...@frajasalo.de wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:32:20 -0800, Jared Casper wrote: The functionality I saw someplace (was it in your repo?) to attach/embed the log window to the main window will help out with this problem as well I think. Maybe it was in this thread: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cad.geda.user/27394 You find the patch(es) in the sf tracker: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=2779826group_id=73743atid=538813 Yup, that's what I was thinking of. I think it'd be cool to see this or something like it worked into the mainline. Jared ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:42:32 +, Peter Clifton wrote: gschem's log window can be persuaded not to appear with this rhune in a gschemrc. (I have it in ~/.gEDA/gschemrc) (log-window later) I added this to the gschem-FAQ ---(kaimartin)--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 20:02 -0800, Jared Casper wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: I'm tempted to pay someone a bounty to kill those with fire ;) (or certainly fix the message window's focus-stealing, attention grabbing - behaviour. The same is true of the netlist window when you press F on a net.) Patch attached. Here's the commit message (comments welcome): Committed (removing a few minor trailing white-space issues). Thank you for the patch! We'll see how everyone (using git HEAD) finds the new behaviours, and see if we need to adjust it at all. I can't help but feel that some log messages are important enough to bother the user about - and others are not.. we'll have to see what people actually using it think, I'm not doing any PCB design work at the moment myself. Best wishes, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: I can't help but feel that some log messages are important enough to bother the user about - and others are not.. we'll have to see what people actually using it think, I'm not doing any PCB design work at the moment myself. Maybe add a Warn function along side Message (or something along those lines), and add a flag to HID.log that says whether or not to bring the log window to the foreground? Or go all out and add an enum for severity. It'd be easy to add the plumbing, the hard part would be to go through and decide what Message()s should be Warn()s, etc. I'm sure different severities could be displayed differently in the log quite easily as well... The functionality I saw someplace (was it in your repo?) to attach/embed the log window to the main window will help out with this problem as well I think. Jared ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
Is there a way to disable the Message Log and Library windows by default, in PCB? I'm finding I keep these either hidden or closed a lot more than I keep them open. -- There are some things in life worth obsessing over. Most things aren't, and when you learn that, life improves. http://starbase.globalpc.net/~ezekowitz Vanessa Ezekowitz vanessaezekow...@gmail.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 17:03 -0600, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: Is there a way to disable the Message Log and Library windows by default, in PCB? I'm finding I keep these either hidden or closed a lot more than I keep them open. I'm tempted to pay someone a bounty to kill those with fire ;) (or certainly fix the message window's focus-stealing, attention grabbing - behaviour. The same is true of the netlist window when you press F on a net.) I know it isn't what you asked, but if it is any small consolation, gschem's log window can be persuaded not to appear with this rhune in a gschemrc. (I have it in ~/.gEDA/gschemrc) (log-window later) -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
(or certainly fix the message window's focus-stealing, attention grabbing - behaviour. The same is true of the netlist window when you press F on a net.) That one burns me often :D ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:02:43 -0800 Jared Casper jaredcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: I'm tempted to pay someone a bounty to kill those with fire ;) (or certainly fix the message window's focus-stealing, attention grabbing - behaviour. The same is true of the netlist window when you press F on a net.) Patch attached. Here's the commit message (comments welcome): /me falls over *wibble* Thanks for the patch. It's a nice change from the old behavior. ;-) -- There are some things in life worth obsessing over. Most things aren't, and when you learn that, life improves. http://starbase.globalpc.net/~ezekowitz Vanessa Ezekowitz vanessaezekow...@gmail.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
