Re: gEDA-user: PCB question

[DJ Delorie]

> Yes, that's what I meant.  I should have thought about it better
> before I asked.  So if I say in the project file 'output-name
> "new-name"' It will know to check the new-name.pcb file to see what
> components are missing and will give me a knew file with the layout
> data to load into the layout buffer?

Yes.

For completeness, solving this problem with the new importer involves
setting an attribute in the new layout, indicating which schematic
it's importing from.  By default, it chooses a schematic with the same
name, but that default doesn't work when you rename the *.pcb file.

> Not trying to be wise but is classifying a question properly
> critical here?

If you want the right people to *read* the question, yes.  gsch2pcb
was not written by the pcb developers.


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Re: gEDA-user: PCB question

[Stephan Boettcher]

Rob Butts  writes:

> Yes, that's what I meant.  I should have thought about it better before I
> asked.  So if I say in the project file 'output-name "new-name"'  It will
> know to check the new-name.pcb file to see what components are missing and
> will give me a knew file with the layout data to load into the layout
> buffer?
>
> Not trying to be wise but is classifying a question properly critical here?

It helps, to understand the answer :-)

I do recommend a vcs (subversion, git) for pcb projects.  No need to
rename layout files, then.

-- 
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Re: gEDA-user: PCB question

[Rob Butts]

   Yes, that's what I meant.  I should have thought about it better before
   I asked.  So if I say in the project file 'output-name "new-name"'  It
   will know to check the new-name.pcb file to see what components are
   missing and will give me a knew file with the layout data to load into
   the layout buffer?
   Not trying to be wise but is classifying a question properly critical
   here?

   On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:14 PM, DJ Delorie <[1]d...@delorie.com> wrote:

 If you used a project file with gsch2pcb, you can make a copy of the
 gsch2pcb project file with the new name in it.  Otherwise, you'll
 probably need to create such a file, as the pcb and sch file names
 won't match any more.
 (note: this isn't a pcb question, it's a gsch2pcb question)
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   2. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org
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Re: gEDA-user: PCB question

[DJ Delorie]

If you used a project file with gsch2pcb, you can make a copy of the
gsch2pcb project file with the new name in it.  Otherwise, you'll
probably need to create such a file, as the pcb and sch file names
won't match any more.

(note: this isn't a pcb question, it's a gsch2pcb question)


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gEDA-user: PCB question

[Rob Butts]

   I layed a board out and then decided to make changes.  I didn't want to
   loose all of my work so in pcb I saved the layout as another name.  I
   now mistakenly deleted an inductor in the layout and need to
   re-gsch2pcb the design.  Do I just do gsch2pcb "new-name" to get the
   new-name.pcb file?
   Thanks


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Re: gEDA-user: .pcb question

[John Luciani]

   On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Gene Heskett
   <[1]gene.hesk...@verizon.net> wrote:

   On Sunday 25 October 2009, John Luciani wrote:

   >I am not sure if the Roland uses NGC or some other format.
   >The commands looked a lot plotter control commands to
   >me.

 Me either, but since its Roland, I'd have to assume its closed.
 The only
 Roland machines I've seen recently are a pair of graphic plastic
 sheet
 cutters, to make huge signs and such with.  One of my neighbors is
 in that
 business.  No idea if its close enough to English to translate
 easily, and
 since he does all the composition with a Roland supplied windows
 application,
 I have doubts he has ever actually looked at the code going down
 the cable.


   There is a programming manual online. I took a look the commands a
   while
   back. If you decide you want to try send me an email and I will try to
   find the link.

   >I brought a couple of Gerber files to try routing a board using the
   >milling machine. Unfortunately the CAM program they have only
   >understands a subset of the Gerber specification, specifically the
   >subset that Eagle outputs :(

 Ouch, and my copy of eagle-lite likely doesn't even export gerbers.
  It will
 not load this file, no errors because no attempt to load it is
 made. :(

   Like Peter, I misunderstood the question. Your .pcb doesn't sound like
   it is an Eagle file either.
   If your design was done in Eagle-lite I am pretty sure that you can
   export gerbers.
   (* jcl *)

   --
   You can't create open hardware with closed EDA tools.
   twitter: [2]http://twitter.com/jluciani
   blog:[3]http://www.luciani.org

References

   1. mailto:gene.hesk...@verizon.net
   2. http://twitter.com/jluciani
   3. http://www.luciani.org/


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Re: gEDA-user: .pcb question

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 25 October 2009, John Luciani wrote:
>There is a python script, from the MIT Media Lab, that converts
>Gerber files into a format used by a Roland milling machine.
>The python script is at
>http://web.media.mit.edu/~neilg/fab/dist/cam.py

And massaging that to output RS-274-D stuff might teach me some python, if 
that is doable for me.  New stuff seems to be getting more difficult all the 
time as half my 7nth decade has rolled on by now.
 
>I am not sure if the Roland uses NGC or some other format.
>The commands looked a lot plotter control commands to
>me.

Me either, but since its Roland, I'd have to assume its closed.  The only 
Roland machines I've seen recently are a pair of graphic plastic sheet 
cutters, to make huge signs and such with.  One of my neighbors is in that 
business.  No idea if its close enough to English to translate easily, and 
since he does all the composition with a Roland supplied windows application, 
I have doubts he has ever actually looked at the code going down the cable.

>I brought a couple of Gerber files to try routing a board using the
>milling machine. Unfortunately the CAM program they have only
>understands a subset of the Gerber specification, specifically the
>subset that Eagle outputs :(

Ouch, and my copy of eagle-lite likely doesn't even export gerbers.  It will 
not load this file, no errors because no attempt to load it is made. :(

>(* jcl *)
>
Thanks.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: gEDA-user: .pcb question

[John Luciani]

   There is a python script, from the MIT Media Lab, that converts
   Gerber files into a format used by a Roland milling machine.
   The python script is at
   [1]http://web.media.mit.edu/~neilg/fab/dist/cam.py
   I am not sure if the Roland uses NGC or some other format.
   The commands looked a lot plotter control commands to
   me.
   I brought a couple of Gerber files to try routing a board using the
   milling machine. Unfortunately the CAM program they have only
   understands a subset of the Gerber specification, specifically the
   subset that Eagle outputs :(
   (* jcl *)
   --
   You can't create open hardware with closed EDA tools.
   twitter: [2]http://twitter.com/jluciani
   blog:[3]http://www.luciani.org

References

   1. http://web.media.mit.edu/~neilg/fab/dist/cam.py
   2. http://twitter.com/jluciani
   3. http://www.luciani.org/


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Re: gEDA-user: .pcb question

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 25 October 2009, Peter Clifton wrote:
>On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 07:55 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Greetings;
>>
>> Does geda have a .pcb file viewer, such as is output by the ExpressPCB
>> free software for windows?  I've got a small tabletop milling machine,
>> and have been asked to do a board that is about half the size of a
>> postage stamp.
>
>No viewer.. just ".pcb". Are you looking for a linux / windows version?

linux if possible, I am not a wine expert, and the only windows here are made 
out of real glass. :)

>(PCB has a windows installer available on sourceforge.net).
>
>> And, if so, can it convert a .pcb into a couple of .ngc's for feeding a
>> milling machine, one for each side of the board?
>
>The nearest it outputs is gerber - for photoplotters. That won't be
>what you need to drive a mill.
>
>You need something like: https://sourceforge.net/projects/gerbertogcode/

Well, if this 'PCB' can output gerbers, I'll give the above a look.
>
>But I've never tried it, so don't know how (well) it works. It lists as
>"alpha" on sourceforge, so might be somewhat buggy.

Something I might be able to contribute to if I knew gerber's code as I am 
moderately familiar with .ngc code.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Peter C.
>
Thank you very much Peter. When I have something usable, I'll report back if 
CRS doesn't get to me.  Considering the years on the carcass here, 75, that 
is a possibility.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
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Re: gEDA-user: .pcb question

[Peter Clifton]

On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 07:55 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings;
> 
> Does geda have a .pcb file viewer, such as is output by the ExpressPCB free 
> software for windows?  I've got a small tabletop milling machine, and have 
> been asked to do a board that is about half the size of a postage stamp.

No viewer.. just ".pcb". Are you looking for a linux / windows version?
(PCB has a windows installer available on sourceforge.net).

> And, if so, can it convert a .pcb into a couple of .ngc's for feeding a 
> milling machine, one for each side of the board?

The nearest it outputs is gerber - for photoplotters. That won't be
what you need to drive a mill.

You need something like: https://sourceforge.net/projects/gerbertogcode/

But I've never tried it, so don't know how (well) it works. It lists as
"alpha" on sourceforge, so might be somewhat buggy.

Best wishes,

Peter C.





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gEDA-user: .pcb question

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings;

Does geda have a .pcb file viewer, such as is output by the ExpressPCB free 
software for windows?  I've got a small tabletop milling machine, and have 
been asked to do a board that is about half the size of a postage stamp.

And, if so, can it convert a .pcb into a couple of .ngc's for feeding a 
milling machine, one for each side of the board?

Thanks all.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
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Re: gEDA-user: PCB question from a new user

[DJ Delorie]

> http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb_tips#how_do_i_move_objects_by_an_arbitrary_distance

One of these days, I'm going to remember that :-P


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Re: gEDA-user: PCB question from a new user

[Stefan Salewski]

On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 10:14 -0700, Neil Hendin wrote:
[...]
> 
> One thing I was wondering about is that is there a command in PCB to
> move an item by a fixed amount of distance specified on the command
> line

There was a similar question some days ago, maybe see list archive for
details.

On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 11:52 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:20:32 -0700, Josh Jordan wrote:
> 
> > I want to move a component to an absolute location..
> 
> You may use the MoveObject command. See the wiki for the details:
>
http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb_tips#how_do_i_move_objects_by_an_arbitrary_distance
> 
> There is no GUI way to this, yet. 
> 
> ---<(kaimartin)>---





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Re: gEDA-user: PCB question from a new user

[DJ Delorie]

> One thing I was wondering about is that is there a command in PCB to
> move an item by a fixed amount of distance specified on the command
> line (an incremental move such as up by 10 mil), or place an item at
> a fixed x,y location on the board (place this component at 100mil,
> 100 mil (100 mil in from one corner).  Obviously for some of these
> you could manipulate the grid spacing, but that doesn't work in all
> cases.

No, we don't have that kind of command-line control yet.  It's a
popular request.

> This would be very helpful in drawing an outline for a shape
> documented by a mechanical engineer, or helping to place mounting
> holes etc...

Edit the .pcb file manually, you can place things very accurately that
way ;-)


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gEDA-user: PCB question from a new user

[Neil Hendin]

Hi all,

I am a new user to gEDA, but have used other PCB cad tools for a long time.  
I've been working through the great tutorial from DJ at  
http://www.delorie.com/pcb/docs/gs/gs.html and have a question.

One thing I was wondering about is that is there a command in PCB to move an 
item by a fixed amount of distance specified on the command line (an 
incremental move such as up by 10 mil), or place an item at a fixed x,y 
location on the board (place this component at 100mil, 100 mil (100 mil in from 
one corner).Obviously for some of these you could manipulate the grid 
spacing, but that doesn't work in all cases.  

This would be very helpful in drawing an outline for a shape documented by a 
mechanical engineer, or helping to place mounting holes etc...  I'm familiar 
with one commercial layout tool that has such commands, and they are quite 
useful.  Not sure about list etiquette if should mention that one here by name, 
I did a search of the list archives and couldn't find an answer to this 
question there or in the PCB documentation. 

I am running the Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty) standard install of the gEDA suite and 
PCB, which I admit is a bit old at version 20080202  (thats 2008-02-02).  

Thanks.

--Neil Hendin.



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Re: gEDA-user: pcb, question to crosshair to grid snapping

[Stefan Salewski]

Am Dienstag, den 21.10.2008, 22:49 -0700 schrieb joe tarantino:
> 
>Is the crosshair inside of a pad when you notice this snapping
>behavior?
>Joe T
> 

No, it happens all over the screen.
At one position crosshair is centered over grid, a few grid points
beside it is near by. This repeats...

pcb 20080202 (GTK)

I guess its again an rounding issue -- rounding method for grid position
is not the same as for crosshair?





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Re: gEDA-user: pcb, question to crosshair to grid snapping

[joe tarantino]

   On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Stefan Salewski
   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Sometimes the crosshair snaps to center of grid, overlapping grid
 points, which are in inverse video in this case. But sometimes
 crosshair
 snaps to a position close to grid points, but not overlapping.
 Seems to be not related to mm grid only, similar behavior with mil.
 For me this is irritating -- but maybe its a feature?
 Best regards
 Stefan Salewski

   Is the crosshair inside of a pad when you notice this snapping
   behavior?
   Joe T

References

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gEDA-user: pcb, question to crosshair to grid snapping

[Stefan Salewski]

Sometimes the crosshair snaps to center of grid, overlapping grid
points, which are in inverse video in this case. But sometimes crosshair
snaps to a position close to grid points, but not overlapping.

Seems to be not related to mm grid only, similar behavior with mil.
For me this is irritating -- but maybe its a feature?

Best regards

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Re: gEDA-user: PCB Question

[Richard Rasker]

Op dinsdag 07-10-2008 om 13:22 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef DJ Delorie:
> > Hold the mouse pointer over a component and press the F ("Find") key.
> 
> I just tried that, and it doesn't work for me.

Indeed, you're right -- this only works with nets (traces), no with
components. My apologies.

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Re: gEDA-user: PCB Question

[DJ Delorie]

> Hold the mouse pointer over a component and press the F ("Find") key.

I just tried that, and it doesn't work for me.


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Re: gEDA-user: PCB Question

[Richard Rasker]

Op maandag 06-10-2008 om 15:52 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Rob Butts:
> Can you select a component in pcb and highlight all components
> connected to it?

Hold the mouse pointer over a component and press the F ("Find") key.
Press Shift+F to undo the highlight.


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gEDA-user: PCB Question

[Rob Butts]

   Can you select a component in pcb and highlight all components
   connected to it?
   Thanks


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Re: gEDA-user: pcb question: matching differential lines

[Larry Doolittle]

Jean -

On Sat, Sep 06, 2008 at 01:17:14PM -0400, jean wrote:
> Is there anyway in pcb to measure the length of the traces and
> see how different they are?  I'd like to have them match up as close as
> possible instead of just eyeballing it.

Yes.  Report(NetLength), added 2007-03-03 by djdelorie.
I have used it to phase a clock fan-out.

   - Larry


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Re: gEDA-user: pcb question: matching differential lines

[Dan McMahill]

Peter TB Brett wrote:
> On Saturday 06 September 2008 18:17:14 jean,,, wrote:
>> Greetings to everyone here.
>>
>> I'm working on a new board and I have a couple differential lines in my
>> design.  Is there anyway in pcb to measure the length of the traces and
>> see how different they are?  I'd like to have them match up as close as
>> possible instead of just eyeballing it.
> 
> Yes -- on an upcoming project I'm going to need to make some equal-distance 
> RF 
> waveguides, and having a feature like this would be a great help with that!

I'm curious as to what sort of structures and if they are ones supported 
by wcalc (wcalc.sf.net).

-Dan



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Re: gEDA-user: pcb question: matching differential lines

[Peter TB Brett]

On Saturday 06 September 2008 18:17:14 jean,,, wrote:
> Greetings to everyone here.
>
> I'm working on a new board and I have a couple differential lines in my
> design.  Is there anyway in pcb to measure the length of the traces and
> see how different they are?  I'd like to have them match up as close as
> possible instead of just eyeballing it.

Yes -- on an upcoming project I'm going to need to make some equal-distance RF 
waveguides, and having a feature like this would be a great help with that!

Peter

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gEDA-user: pcb question: matching differential lines

[jean,,,]

Greetings to everyone here. 

I'm working on a new board and I have a couple differential lines in my
design.  Is there anyway in pcb to measure the length of the traces and
see how different they are?  I'd like to have them match up as close as
possible instead of just eyeballing it.

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Re: gEDA-user: PCB question: Copy to buffer and put on other side of board

[DJ Delorie]

Shift-B does "move selected elements to other side".  There's a menu
entry under Select for it too.


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gEDA-user: PCB question: Copy to buffer and put on other side of board

[Transistor Toaster]

Hello,
I have PCB 20060822 and I like to ask a question on the easiest way to
select a group of elements and to place it on the other side.
I know that a part can be placed from one side to another by selecting
in and pressing B, just this is difficult and requires all the elements
to be moved.. Is possible to move a whole group selection efficiently? 
Thanks,
Frank
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Re: gEDA-user: PCB question

[Dan McMahill]

DJ Delorie wrote:

OK, I'm an idiot. How do I create a local (as in local to my design
directory) library of PCB footprints? All the documentation I see
suggests that it will automatically search in the "packages"
directory in the current workig directory. No?!


When you say "it will automatically search" what is the "it"?  If you're 
talking the library browser in pcb, I think it won't.  If you're talking 
about gsch2pcb I think it will.



Note that a local directory *overrides* the global one, as pcb only
supports one library at a time (er, one each of m4 and newlib).


Thats not really true.  Only 1 for m4, but for newlib, you just use a : 
separated path (; for windows due to paths like c:\) just like a unix 
search path.



In my gsch2pcb project file, I do something like this:

elements-dir footprints



I'm pretty certain that you can include multiple elements-dir lines in 
your project file and gsch2pcb will search through them all.  At least 
thats what it looks like in the code.


-Dan



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Re: gEDA-user: PCB question

[DJ Delorie]

> Agh can I add that as a wart?

Yup :-)


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Re: gEDA-user: PCB question

[Ben Jackson]

On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:59:02PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
> 
> Note that a local directory *overrides* the global one, as pcb only
> supports one library at a time (er, one each of m4 and newlib).

Agh can I add that as a wart?  I don't remember this happening
to me, but it might explain why adding a local directory of newlib
increased my use of m4!

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Re: gEDA-user: PCB question

[DJ Delorie]

> OK, I'm an idiot. How do I create a local (as in local to my design
> directory) library of PCB footprints? All the documentation I see
> suggests that it will automatically search in the "packages"
> directory in the current workig directory. No?!

Note that a local directory *overrides* the global one, as pcb only
supports one library at a time (er, one each of m4 and newlib).

In my gsch2pcb project file, I do something like this:

elements-dir footprints

For PCB, you set the "lib-newlib" variable (settings in gtk, Xdefaults
in lesstif).  Xdefaults example:

Pcb.lib-newlib: /envy/dj/geda/gedasymbols/www/user/dj_delorie/footprints


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gEDA-user: PCB question

[Stephen Williams]

OK, I'm an idiot. How do I create a local (as in local to my
design directory) library of PCB footprints? All the documentation
I see suggests that it will automatically search in the "packages"
directory in the current workig directory. No?!

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