Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
On Sunday 16 January 2011 17:22:06 Peter Clifton wrote: > On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 08:03 -0800, Colin D Bennett wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 08:47:19 + > > > > Peter Clifton wrote: > > > Are there any use-cases for invisible text which is not an > > > attribute? Since it might exist already though - we MAY have to > > > add an: "Invisble [x]" option to the text edit dialogue box. > > > > I often include lines or even paragraphs of invisible text in my > > custom symbols to thoroughly document specific details, design > > rationale, etc. > > Through what mechanism do you make that text invisible? As an > attribute? Select the text and press "t t". Peter -- Peter Brett Remote Sensing Research Group Surrey Space Centre signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 08:03 -0800, Colin D Bennett wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 08:47:19 + > Peter Clifton wrote: > > > Are there any use-cases for invisible text which is not an attribute? > > Since it might exist already though - we MAY have to add an: > > "Invisble [x]" option to the text edit dialogue box. > > I often include lines or even paragraphs of invisible text in my > custom symbols to thoroughly document specific details, design > rationale, etc. Through what mechanism do you make that text invisible? As an attribute? -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 08:47:19 + Peter Clifton wrote: > Are there any use-cases for invisible text which is not an attribute? > Since it might exist already though - we MAY have to add an: > "Invisble [x]" option to the text edit dialogue box. I often include lines or even paragraphs of invisible text in my custom symbols to thoroughly document specific details, design rationale, etc. Regards, Colin ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
Vanessa Ezekowitz writes: > On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:25:39 + > Peter Clifton wrote: > >> On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 09:10 -0600, John Griessen wrote: >> > On 01/15/2011 06:59 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: >> > > Yes, please! >> > > >> > +1 >> >> Consider it napalmed. > > Napalmed ain't enough - I want that option *nuked* (from orbit yet). :-) The worst part is the keyboard shortcut e v, just the reverse of the frequently used v e. -- Stephan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
> > Consider it napalmed. > > Napalmed ain't enough - I want that option *nuked* (from orbit yet). It's the only way to be sure. Peter -- Peter Brett Remote Sensing Research Group Surrey Space Centre ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:25:39 + Peter Clifton wrote: > On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 09:10 -0600, John Griessen wrote: > > On 01/15/2011 06:59 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: > > > Yes, please! > > > > > +1 > > Consider it napalmed. Napalmed ain't enough - I want that option *nuked* (from orbit yet). :-) -- "There are some things in life worth obsessing over. Most things aren't, and when you learn that, life improves." http://starbase.globalpc.net/~ezekowitz Vanessa Ezekowitz ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
Markus Hitter wrote: > One use-case would be to quickly inspect all of these attributes. It > makes a difference wether you see attributes in a seperate sheet vs. > you see them right next to each symbol. I regularly do this for the footprint attribute with Attributes -> Show/Hide_Specific_Text ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Email: k...@familieknaak.de Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 09:10 -0600, John Griessen wrote: > On 01/15/2011 06:59 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: > > Yes, please! > > > +1 Consider it napalmed. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
On 01/15/2011 06:59 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: Yes, please! +1 John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
Peter Clifton writes: > On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 07:54 +, Peter TB Brett wrote: >> - Original message - >> > What is the point of the command Make Inv Text Vis in gschem, other than >> > aggravating me. >> >> Good question. I'm not aware of a use-case for it either. At the very >> least, it should be undo-able. Please file a bug report. > > Lets kill it with fire. Yes, please! -- Stephan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 07:06 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: > I don't know if it applies to the feature you are discussing or not, > but I have a use case where I need to turn off global visibility of > values for items. > In any normal schematic, destined for a PCB layout, there is normally > a designator and a value, like R1 : 1k. > > A Government agency that I have the misfortune of submitting > schematics to for approval of my devices rejects any schematics that > shows the value. > They say it makes to much work for them to compare the schematic and > BOM to make sure the values match. There was no proposal to remove the ability to hide attributes, just the magic "break my schematic" button which makes every hidden attribute visible in a way which is not trivial to undo. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 10:43 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: > > Lets kill it with fire. > > One use-case would be to quickly inspect all of these attributes. It > makes a difference wether you see attributes in a seperate sheet vs. > you see them right next to each symbol. For that we have Edit->"Show/Hide invisible text" That is the one which does as you suggest. It is the option which _changes_ visibility we wish to kill. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
>> Lets kill it with fire. > > One use-case would be to quickly inspect all of these attributes. It makes a > difference wether you see attributes in a seperate sheet vs. you see them > right next to each symbol. I don't know if it applies to the feature you are discussing or not, but I have a use case where I need to turn off global visibility of values for items. In any normal schematic, destined for a PCB layout, there is normally a designator and a value, like R1 : 1k. A Government agency that I have the misfortune of submitting schematics to for approval of my devices rejects any schematics that shows the value. They say it makes to much work for them to compare the schematic and BOM to make sure the values match. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
Am 15.01.2011 um 09:47 schrieb Peter Clifton: On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 07:54 +, Peter TB Brett wrote: - Original message - What is the point of the command Make Inv Text Vis in gschem, other than aggravating me. Good question. I'm not aware of a use-case for it either. At the very least, it should be undo-able. Please file a bug report. Lets kill it with fire. One use-case would be to quickly inspect all of these attributes. It makes a difference wether you see attributes in a seperate sheet vs. you see them right next to each symbol. For making this use-case, this command should actually do what it says: make invisible text visible, i.e. leave everything stored in the schmatic's file untouched. Instead, it sets the visible flag on all texts, which is nonsense, of course. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. (FH) Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 07:54 +, Peter TB Brett wrote: > - Original message - > > What is the point of the command Make Inv Text Vis in gschem, other than > > aggravating me. > > Good question. I'm not aware of a use-case for it either. At the very > least, it should be undo-able. Please file a bug report. Lets kill it with fire. If it wants to come back, it should be in the form of bulk editing of a set of selected attributes. Are there any use-cases for invisible text which is not an attribute? Since it might exist already though - we MAY have to add an: "Invisble [x]" option to the text edit dialogue box. The "Make Inv text vis" option is hardly a friendly way to work around that (non-existant) option though.. so I don't think removing it will hurt. As a kludge, to make invisible non attribute text visible, you have to put an "=foo" in it or something like that, so it registers as an attribute.. change the attribute visibility, then edit it with an explicit "ex" (edit text), to change it back. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
- Original message - > What is the point of the command Make Inv Text Vis in gschem, other than > aggravating me. Good question. I'm not aware of a use-case for it either. At the very least, it should be undo-able. Please file a bug report. Peter -- Peter Brett Remote Sensing Research Group Surrey Space Centre ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
On Friday, January 14, 2011, Oliver King-Smith wrote: > What is the point of the command Make Inv Text Vis in gschem, other > than aggravating me. I mean putting next to the Show Hide Inv Text is > just plain mean. And there is no way to change a bunch of stuff back > to invisible if you fail to notice your error. You have to go through > every single thing and fix it (arghh)! > Just curious? > Oliver > Agree. Cleaning up after this misfeature has cost me quite a bit of time. Mark -- Mark Rages, Engineer Midwest Telecine LLC markra...@midwesttelecine.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Rant about "Make Inv Text Vis"
What is the point of the command Make Inv Text Vis in gschem, other than aggravating me. I mean putting next to the Show Hide Inv Text is just plain mean. And there is no way to change a bunch of stuff back to invisible if you fail to notice your error. You have to go through every single thing and fix it (arghh)! Just curious? Oliver ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
