Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 08:51:10AM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: Surely you can type cvs commit? Or cvs ci for the lazy, like me. -- Joshua D. Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 08:51:10AM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: If I won't be able to submit through the old mechanism I won't probably submit anymore. gedasymbols.org are just too complicated for me. Once it's set up, it's far *simpler* to contribute through gedasymbols. What I did is point at my gedasymbols tree for my live symbol and footprint libraries, so the directory I'm editing and creating symbols in, *is* the gedasymbols directory. I just type cvs commit when I want to push it out to the web server. Surely you can type cvs commit? Besides, Karel, you've never even asked for an account on gedasymbols, so how do you know what the process is like? You should at least *try* it before you tell everyone how bad it is. From the fact that it is an account I know there will be one more annoying password. That means finding the paper where it is written every time I need to commit. My brain passowrd storage area is already exhausted. CL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
Karel Kulhavy wrote: Surely you can type cvs commit? Besides, Karel, you've never even asked for an account on gedasymbols, so how do you know what the process is like? You should at least *try* it before you tell everyone how bad it is. From the fact that it is an account I know there will be one more annoying password. I've used the gedasymbols.org site as a contributor with an account, and after the first checkout it's not asking for a password again. It seems embedded in the .CVS dirs. When I update my web pages, I do cvs commit -m added something and it's there in my web browser after a refresh. I don't have to go to my passwords sheet each time. John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
On Saturday 16 December 2006 17:47, John Griessen wrote: Karel Kulhavy wrote: Surely you can type cvs commit? Besides, Karel, you've never even asked for an account on gedasymbols, so how do you know what the process is like? You should at least *try* it before you tell everyone how bad it is. From the fact that it is an account I know there will be one more annoying password. I've used the gedasymbols.org site as a contributor with an account, and after the first checkout it's not asking for a password again. It seems embedded in the .CVS dirs. Actually it's stored in '$HOME/.cvspass'. But close. :) Peter -- Fisher Society committeehttp://tinyurl.com/o39w2 CUSBC novices, match and league secretary http://tinyurl.com/mwrc9 CU Spaceflight http://tinyurl.com/ognu2 v3sw6YChw7$ln3pr6$ck3ma8u7+Lw3+2m0l7Ci6e4+8t4Gb8en6g6Pa2Xs5Mr4p4 hackerkey.com peter-b.co.uk pgpkdlG5YHGwt.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
John Griessen wrote: Karel Kulhavy wrote: Surely you can type cvs commit? Besides, Karel, you've never even asked for an account on gedasymbols, so how do you know what the process is like? You should at least *try* it before you tell everyone how bad it is. From the fact that it is an account I know there will be one more annoying password. I've used the gedasymbols.org site as a contributor with an account, and after the first checkout it's not asking for a password again. It seems embedded in the .CVS dirs. When I update my web pages, I do cvs commit -m added something and it's there in my web browser after a refresh. I don't have to go to my passwords sheet each time. something goes in your ~/.cvspass file not the CVS dirs. If you do a 'cvs logout' then it should log you out and you'll need to login again. -Dan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
subversion usage (was: Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission)
On Dec 15, 2006, at 3:56 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: There seems to be a way to deal with just sub directories of a tree, after you have the whole tree. If you move that subdir to a new place, it still functions as a svn working copy of that much of the tree, and you could then delete the rest with no impact on the repository. But if you do an update to a specific version (or date) after moving the subdir, it re-creates the subdir. Which is as it should be, because you update to the specific state of the repository as of whatever revision you choose. But if you update to HEAD, then assuming that subdirectory move was done properly (and if done from a working copy, committed back to the repo), the moved subdirectory vanishes from updated working copies. The thing that svn can't do is check out a tree WITHOUT getting specific subdirs. For example, getting pcb without the documentation. I have no idea what the tree looks like, but for argument's sake, assume it's like: pcb/src /docs /foo /bar /whatever One could certainly do: $ svn checkout http://svn.pcb.org/svn/pcb ./pcb and get the whole tree. One could just as easily do: $ svn checkout http://svn.pcb.org/svn/pcb/src ./pcbsrc and get just the sources. This is a big problem for binutils/gdb/newlib/cygwin because they share a repository and a lot of common top-level files. The usual subversion solution to this is to maintain the common, top- level files as their own projects within the repo (or even in a different repo), and include them using the svn:externals property. When using externals, a reasonable use case is to always use tagged versions of the external-ed modules. By subversion convention, tags are immutable, and the idea is that you always know which version of every external you use. If you were to simply use the trunk of each external-ed module, checking out your project always gives you the latest version of the submodules. When working on your project's trunk, that might be OK. But, as noted, a tag is immutable, so if someone has changed submodule foo's trunk, and someone else checks out and builds your project's release tag, they may not get what you think they should get. (Does that make sense? Simply stated, submodules are projects unto themselves, with their own trunks, branches and tags.) Anyways, regarding how binutils/etc are organized: if they wish to switch to svn, a repo reorganization might be in the future. That, of course, is up to the people who maintain it. -a ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
DJ Delorie wrote: something goes in your ~/.cvspass file not the CVS dirs. If you do a 'cvs logout' then it should log you out and you'll need to login again. I have 32 passwords in my ~/.cvspass file. Some of them have been there for over a decade. Most are just anonymous. I can't remember... Does it stay logged in even after a user account logout? A reboot? John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: subversion usage (was: Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission)
Which is as it should be, because you update to the specific state of the repository as of whatever revision you choose. I agree, but in my case, when I'm hunting for when a particular bug was introduced in gcc (for example), I don't want it to keep putting the ada, c++, fortran, java, treelang, and testsuite directories back in. At the same time, I don't want to commit the moves, because it's just a performance issue, and temporary. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
I can't remember... Does it stay logged in even after a user account logout? I don't know. I've never used the logout command. A reboot? Yes. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
On 12/14/06, Bob Paddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you use IPC-style names the alphanumeric sort works fairly well. If you add a mfg/mfg_pn suffix you can get a better sort. What happens when the company is bought by an other company? Happens all to often. You write a Perl script to update the names ;-) (* jcl *) -- http://www.luciani.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
On Dec 15, 2006, at 2:21 AM, Karel Kulhavy wrote: If I won't be able to submit through the old mechanism I won't probably submit anymore. gedasymbols.org are just too complicated for me. Subscription, password management, directories, CVS - takes too much time. gEDA should dump cvs and switch to subversion ... ;) -a ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
gEDA should dump cvs and switch to subversion ... Note that gEDA, PCB, and gedasymbols.org each have their own - independent - repositories. The PCB admins have at least talked about the difference between cvs and svn. There are ups and downs to either choice. Svn, for example, doesn't have the concept of modules - you either get the whole tree, or none of it. OTOH, cvs won't let you check out a branch as of a specific date. Svn also needs twice the local disk space. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:31:39 -0700 Andy Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Cut- gEDA should dump cvs and switch to subversion ... ;) -a fan_flames(lares) svn++ -Lares pgp7tmHXF18Z8.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
On Dec 15, 2006, at 12:31 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: gEDA should dump cvs and switch to subversion ... Note that gEDA, PCB, and gedasymbols.org each have their own - independent - repositories. The PCB admins have at least talked about the difference between cvs and svn. There are ups and downs to either choice. Svn, for example, doesn't have the concept of modules - you either get the whole tree, or none of it. Actually, that's not true ... but let's leave that for a different thread and a different list. OTOH, cvs won't let you check out a branch as of a specific date. Svn also needs twice the local disk space. svn keeps an untouched local copy of whatever you check out so you can do diffs, reverts, etc without hitting the network. Again, though, off topic, and I suppose I should apologize for bringing it up! -a ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
DJ Delorie wrote: Svn, for example, doesn't have the concept of modules - you either get the whole tree, or none of it. OTOH, cvs won't let you check out a branch as of a specific date. Svn also needs twice the local disk space. I'm wondering how git and svn compare... nirvana-wise I've been using svn some lately to keep my circuit design work in. There seems to be a way to deal with just sub directories of a tree, after you have the whole tree. If you move that subdir to a new place, it still functions as a svn working copy of that much of the tree, and you could then delete the rest with no impact on the repository. I've not noticed any quick way to break a repository into chunks after making it. I think that could be done by taking a section of updated working copy and stripping out all .svn dirs, then import it into a new subdir of the same repository. That would result in a repository with two top dirs, I think. After that tested out OK, the copied original dir could be svn deleted. The history of it and repository filesize would still be there. The new history would start off in the new repository dir. John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
Actually, that's not true ... but let's leave that for a different thread and a different list. Ok, but I do want to mention that the gcc and binutils/gdb/newlib/cygwin repositories are pondering this same question, and I have a lot of info from those discussions. It's not a cut-n-dried decision. We've discussed it internally in RH but the lack of a cvs modules equivalent was a blocking factor. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
On Dec 15, 2006, at 2:20 PM, John Griessen wrote: DJ Delorie wrote: Svn, for example, doesn't have the concept of modules - you either get the whole tree, or none of it. OTOH, cvs won't let you check out a branch as of a specific date. Svn also needs twice the local disk space. I'm wondering how git and svn compare... nirvana-wise I've been using svn some lately to keep my circuit design work in. There seems to be a way to deal with just sub directories of a tree, after you have the whole tree. If you move that subdir to a new place, it still functions as a svn working copy of that much of the tree, and you could then delete the rest with no impact on the repository. You don't have to check out the whole tree! Just check out the part you need. I've not noticed any quick way to break a repository into chunks after making it. I think that could be done by taking a section of updated working copy and stripping out all .svn dirs, then import it into a new subdir of the same repository. That would result in a repository with two top dirs, I think. After that tested out OK, the copied original dir could be svn deleted. The history of it and repository filesize would still be there. The new history would start off in the new repository dir. Dunno exactly what you mean by break a repository into chunks after making it, but if you decide that you don't like where something lives in the repo, it's really easy to move things around (retaining history, too): $ svn move -m Comment about moving url://path/to/source url://path/ to/new/location where url is replaced by your access method (svn:, svn+ssh:, http:, https:) -a ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
There seems to be a way to deal with just sub directories of a tree, after you have the whole tree. If you move that subdir to a new place, it still functions as a svn working copy of that much of the tree, and you could then delete the rest with no impact on the repository. But if you do an update to a specific version (or date) after moving the subdir, it re-creates the subdir. The thing that svn can't do is check out a tree WITHOUT getting specific subdirs. For example, getting pcb without the documentation. This is a big problem for binutils/gdb/newlib/cygwin because they share a repository and a lot of common top-level files. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi I would think that if the Symbol Submission was integrated within the GUI, that perhaps the Symbol library may be larger then it is now? Just a thought… I have another idea. How about a GUI that allows you to search for a symbol in the gedasymbols.org database? Something like the current Add component dialog except that it communicates with the gedasymbols.org server. It could show the preview of the symbol and then download it into your local symbol directory. It would be faster than starting up the browser, navigating to gedasymbols.org, searching, and downloading to the proper directory. I think I can hack something like this in a day or two with gtk-perl and http::request. Best regards Tomaz -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFgbcwsAlAlRhL9q8RAp7WAJ9ygzL3+Z667wp/LSFGADMpXNq42wCgs+0F dnhZnY/Xj6ec32SpFM4+/SU= =AhFm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
I think I can hack something like this in a day or two with gtk-perl and http::request. Let me know if you need a custom cgi on gedasymbols.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
Tomaz Solc wrote: How about a GUI that allows you to search for a symbol in the gedasymbols.org database? I think I can hack something like this in a day or two with gtk-perl and http::request. A way to look at a sorted list of all that's on gedasymbols could be helpful. What's a good thing to sort on? Alphanumeric is all I can think would work as is. Should we create some standard category names, a style guideline of naming, to sort symbols with on gedasymbols .org? John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
John Griessen wrote: Should we create some standard category names, a style guideline of naming, to sort symbols with on gedasymbols .org? John G Not that I've been good about getting my symbols up on gedasymbols.org, but I've been using the IPC 7351 naming conventions that John Luciani organized. Since John's footprint directory is so big, I see a lot of value in sticking with his system. http://luciani.org/geda/pcb/footprint-name-spec.pdf Phil ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
Peter Clifton wrote: I've also been wondering about the possibilities of plugging back-ends in to communicate with your favorite supplier's online catalog, and link to datasheets, pricing etc. (Again, all blue skies speculation, so The recognizing of useful data from the mishmash of images and text that pdf datasheets are made of is a tough problem. getting that kind of data entered into spreadsheet rows would be useful for design decision making. To do good design decisions, one favorite supplier is not enough -- you need to make the best choice from what's globally available. John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
On 12/14/06, John Griessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A way to look at a sorted list of all that's on gedasymbols could be helpful. What's a good thing to sort on? Alphanumeric is all I can think would work as is. Should we create some standard category names, a style guideline of naming, to sort symbols with on gedasymbols .org? If you use IPC-style names the alphanumeric sort works fairly well. If you add a mfg/mfg_pn suffix you can get a better sort. It would be easy to parse the IPC-style names and populate a database. The naming style I use for my footprints is at http://www.luciani.org/geda/pcb/footprint-name-spec.pdf (* jcl *) -- http://www.luciani.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Symbol submission
On Friday 15 December 2006 01:09, Bob Paddock wrote: If you use IPC-style names the alphanumeric sort works fairly well. If you add a mfg/mfg_pn suffix you can get a better sort. What happens when the company is bought by an other company? Happens all to often. Symlinks? ;) Peter -- Fisher Society committeehttp://tinyurl.com/o39w2 CUSBC novices, match and league secretary http://tinyurl.com/mwrc9 CU Spaceflight http://tinyurl.com/ognu2 v3sw6YChw7$ln3pr6$ck3ma8u7+Lw3+2m0l7Ci6e4+8t4Gb8en6g6Pa2Xs5Mr4p4 hackerkey.com peter-b.co.uk pgp5TtMtyolIC.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
