Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
Sorry for the delay. It looks like someone recently posted a Ubuntu image, which is great. Anyway here is a link to the page which has the fedora core 5 based Vmware images that I use. The image has 20060822 build of pcb installed. There's plenty of bandwidth available yet and the download speed saturated the downlink on my cable modem at 600KB/s. http://www.jendylabs.com/index.php?section=9 Cheers, Jeff On 3/9/07, Sztrikó János [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in it. Have you found a host, is it available now? Thanks, Janos Jeff VR wrote: Well, based on the discussion I think there is definitely some interest and it's worth providing. I haven't made huge strides to make the image smaller but compressed it's around 830MB. I've got a couple hosting options I'm looking into with sufficient bandwidth. It should be available in a couple of days. Jeff VR ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
I'm interested in it. Have you found a host, is it available now? Thanks, Janos Jeff VR wrote: Well, based on the discussion I think there is definitely some interest and it's worth providing. I haven't made huge strides to make the image smaller but compressed it's around 830MB. I've got a couple hosting options I'm looking into with sufficient bandwidth. It should be available in a couple of days. Jeff VR ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
Well, based on the discussion I think there is definitely some interest and it's worth providing. I haven't made huge strides to make the image smaller but compressed it's around 830MB. I've got a couple hosting options I'm looking into with sufficient bandwidth. It should be available in a couple of days. Jeff VR On 2/17/07, devrin talen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would definitely be interested in it. - Devrin Talen On 2/16/07, Jeff VR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? I created as well as use one based off of Fedora Core 5. I made it available at the local IEEE meeting last night and 10 copies made there way out the door. Jeff VR ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
VMWare Player is free. There are also freeware tools out there to create VMWare images. From there you can do your linux + gEDA install and you are ready to go. The hook I've encountered in the past is I was never able to get the CD installs for gEDA to work on Fedora on a VMWare image. That may have changed recently. I've also tried qemu. It works but is an order of magnitude slower than VMWare. Interestingly certain linux variants were much slower than others on qemu. I did run Fedora Core under qemu for awhile and it was servicable. But once VMWare player was free there was no going back, the performance difference was substantial. From: John Griessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],gEDA user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org To: gEDA user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:44:27 -0600 Craig Niederberger wrote: *Yes*. My EECS students prefer to run linux inside vmware, as they typically have laptops with single drives. Joshua Boyd wrote: What VMware does very right is that it allows you to easily move virtual machines, in the form of images, from one machine to another. I heard from a professor that the concept of offering server machines loaded with gEDA and such was a dead issue because of VMware's market share and popularity for avoiding installation time, and just using huge areas of disks as tools. I suppose some people might have 5 or so disk images they use in order to avoid integrating it all and getting 5 tools/entertainment_programs that way. Is that a good guess? Is VMware's emulation now THAT good, that the usual 2GHz+ hardware has no trouble with it? and they offer a freebie now? (If you get someone else's image) How many images can run at once with Player? Is that their marketing ploy? If you want real convenience, you need a VMware license? John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user _ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 05:27:26PM -0500, al davis wrote: I think I am beginning to understand .. A Live CD requires no other software. No operating system other than the one on the CD. Hence anyone can run it, but with a reboot. And while in the Live CD you can't run your normal stuff. I have not tried it, but can't you run a Live CD under VMware, Xen, Qemu, etc ... all of them, with the same Live CD? I don't know about using a LiveCD with any of those. Maybe. Also, I don't know anything about using Xen for graphic stuff, or using Qemu for anything. As to the value of making the VM image .. I guess if it is a step toward moving away from PSpice, etc ... It's good. It saddens me to realize we need to resort to a non-free product to accomplish that. It saddens me that non of the free systems are easy to use. However, if it is any consolation, the VMWare image format is published and there are utilities to convert them to work with other systems. Additionally, the wikipedia article for Qemu says that qemu can just read these files directly. So, if the original poster did share the VMWare image, people would apparently be able to use it with completely free software, which is a worthy goal. -- Joshua D. Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 07:44:27PM -0600, John Griessen wrote: I heard from a professor that the concept of offering server machines loaded with gEDA and such was a dead issue because of VMware's market share and popularity for avoiding installation time, and just using huge areas of disks as tools. I suppose some people might have 5 or so disk images they use in order to avoid integrating it all and getting 5 tools/entertainment_programs that way. Is that a good guess? VMWare probably isn't so good for entertainment programs. It does pass through OpenGL acceleration to some extent though. Also, it is an easy way to test stuff against Ubuntu or different FC versions, without constantly rebooting. I would imagine that Xen would be good as well, but Xen isn't particularly easy to use, and I don't know how it deals with graphical stuff, as I said. Is VMware's emulation now THAT good, that the usual 2GHz+ hardware has no trouble with it? and they offer a freebie now? (If you get someone else's image) VMWare Server runs adequately fast on a 2.8ghz Xeon w/ 2 gigs of ram. At work the IT guy has that set up running something like 6 images. Ram allocations are a bit skimpy (web services have 32-128 megs each, desktop installs for testing stuff have 256 megs allocated). The other developer where I work constantly complains about the speed compared to his desktop, but every time I try to look into it, the laptop runnign linux in vmware beats the pants off the desktop for building software, or even running gedit, so I don't know what he is complaining about. How many images can run at once with Player? One. But, there is also a free Server. It runs lots of images (don't know the max), but it caps the resolution at 1024x768 and doesn't do full screen mode. Is that their marketing ploy? If you want real convenience, you need a VMware license? Previously we (me and the IT guy) had trouble getting networking working nicely with laptops without buying the Workstation product instead of Player. The IT guy says he has resolved that, but I don't know what the trick was. What the problem was that player supported bridge or loopback, but not both at once. With loopback, the VMWare machines can't talk to the outside world (except perhaps via setting up a proxy or routing system on the host I guess), but with bridging, VMWare can't talk to the host when disconnected from a network (like sitting on you lap in an airport without wireless). I don't know where Server sits in this mix. This trouble was discovered when trying to setup Linux on Windows for another developer who refused to remove windows from the laptop, and also refused to try colinux. -- Joshua D. Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? I created as well as use one based off of Fedora Core 5. I made it available at the local IEEE meeting last night and 10 copies made there way out the door. Jeff VR ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 08:57:36AM -0600, Jeff VR wrote: Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? I created as well as use one based off of Fedora Core 5. I made it available at the local IEEE meeting last night and 10 copies made there way out the door. Sounds good to me. -- Joshua D. Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
On Friday 16 February 2007 09:57, Jeff VR wrote: Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? What is a VMPlayer Image? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 02:30:52PM -0500, al davis wrote: On Friday 16 February 2007 09:57, Jeff VR wrote: Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? What is a VMPlayer Image? I assumed that he meant VMWare Player image. Although, as far as I know, the same image can also be used across Player, Server, and Workstation. -- Joshua D. Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
On Friday 16 February 2007 14:26, Joshua Boyd wrote: On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 02:30:52PM -0500, al davis wrote: On Friday 16 February 2007 09:57, Jeff VR wrote: Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? What is a VMPlayer Image? I assumed that he meant VMWare Player image. Although, as far as I know, the same image can also be used across Player, Server, and Workstation. I googled it .. it seems that it relates to some commercial product called VMware, and VMplayer is a cover-crop variant of VMware. What can I do with a VMPlayer Image ... Assuming I have VMPlayer (which I don't) is the image just something to view? a starting point for a system? ... or what? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 03:14:03PM -0500, al davis wrote: I googled it .. it seems that it relates to some commercial product called VMware, and VMplayer is a cover-crop variant of VMware. What can I do with a VMPlayer Image ... Assuming I have VMPlayer (which I don't) is the image just something to view? a starting point for a system? ... or what? VMWare Player (and Server) is gratis, but you are not at liberty with it. The image is a starting point for a virtual system. The image is basically just a disk image that VMWare will use to boot a virtual machine, which will have a virtual display that shows up in a window on your desktop, uses the virtual disk (specifically, the image file) via a virtual SCSI card, and talks to a virtual NIC (which can either be NAT'ed with your machines onboard network connection, or with a compatible desktop ethernet device, can pretend to be an entirely new NIC with it's own MAC). When VMWare first launched, the main usage of it was to run Windows on Linux, or Linux on Windows. Rather than emulate everything, VMWare runs the guest system natively, but traps the execution of priveledged code and emulates just those features, so it isn't anywhere near as slow as Bochs or Qemu. VMWare is thus x86 only.x What VMWare does very right is that it allows you to easily move virtual machines, in the form of images, from one machine to another. As far as I know, it is not possible to do this with Solaris Zones (although they say they are working on it), Parallels, VirtualPC, or Xen. So, if you have developed a web application with a lot of dependencies, instead of the end user having to spend hours trying to get everything installed, they can instead download a few hundred meg VMWare image, and boot the already configured web app server, answer a few questions, then get straight to using it in only a few minutes. Does that answer your question? In this case a VMWare image could be a useful alternative to a LiveCD, with the benefit that you can keep your regular desktop running at the same time as the Image, which you can't exactly do with a livecd. -- Joshua D. Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
*Yes*. My EECS students prefer to run linux inside vmware, as they typically have laptops with single drives. Thanks, Craig On 2/16/07, Jeff VR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? I created as well as use one based off of Fedora Core 5. I made it available at the local IEEE meeting last night and 10 copies made there way out the door. Jeff VR ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
I agree also, I run it on Fedora 5 on VMWare. Runs smooth on decent hardware. You can always back things up simply by copying a file. If an upgrade goes awry you just copy over the old file. I advocated awhile back making a VMWare image available to make gEDA more accessable. Probably the thing that's holding this up is who wants to host a 500MB+ download? From: Craig Niederberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: gEDA user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org To: gEDA user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:14:04 -0600 *Yes*. My EECS students prefer to run linux inside vmware, as they typically have laptops with single drives. Thanks, Craig On 2/16/07, Jeff VR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? I created as well as use one based off of Fedora Core 5. I made it available at the local IEEE meeting last night and 10 copies made there way out the door. Jeff VR ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user _ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
On Friday 16 February 2007 15:18, Joshua Boyd wrote: Does that answer your question? In this case a VMWare image could be a useful alternative to a LiveCD, with the benefit that you can keep your regular desktop running at the same time as the Image, which you can't exactly do with a livecd. I think I am beginning to understand .. A Live CD requires no other software. No operating system other than the one on the CD. Hence anyone can run it, but with a reboot. I have not tried it, but can't you run a Live CD under VMware, Xen, Qemu, etc ... all of them, with the same Live CD? As to the value of making the VM image .. I guess if it is a step toward moving away from PSpice, etc ... It's good. It saddens me to realize we need to resort to a non-free product to accomplish that. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
Craig Niederberger wrote: *Yes*. My EECS students prefer to run linux inside vmware, as they typically have laptops with single drives. Joshua Boyd wrote: What VMware does very right is that it allows you to easily move virtual machines, in the form of images, from one machine to another. I heard from a professor that the concept of offering server machines loaded with gEDA and such was a dead issue because of VMware's market share and popularity for avoiding installation time, and just using huge areas of disks as tools. I suppose some people might have 5 or so disk images they use in order to avoid integrating it all and getting 5 tools/entertainment_programs that way. Is that a good guess? Is VMware's emulation now THAT good, that the usual 2GHz+ hardware has no trouble with it? and they offer a freebie now? (If you get someone else's image) How many images can run at once with Player? Is that their marketing ploy? If you want real convenience, you need a VMware license? John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
