Re: [Gendergap] What motivates women to edit??

2011-03-08 Thread Daniel and Elizabeth Case
Before I say anything: Happy International Women's Day, everyone!

Fred wrote:

Having some experience in caring for elderly parents, that is one
activity which, restricting your movement and forcing you to stay home,
offers a great opportunity to get involved online.

My response:

From the other end of that spectrum, having a young child, especially one 
with some special needs, has the same effect. In my first years on Wikipedia 
I had a fair amount of childcare-related downtime (I'm the stay-at-home 
parent, more sort of by accident than design) when I couldn't just go out. 
So I killed time online.

Daniel Case 



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[Gendergap] Why women and wikis do mix...

2011-03-08 Thread Fred Bauder
On Signpost:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-03-07/In_the_news

http://lola-pr.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-women-wikis-do-mix.html

Fred


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Re: [Gendergap] Why women and wikis do mix...

2011-03-08 Thread Laura Hale
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:

 On Signpost:


 https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-03-07/In_the_news

 http://lola-pr.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-women-wikis-do-mix.html

 Fred


Not a fan of either.  The author has an assumption and explains it.  There
is a lot of research on the design elements, but it doesn't go anywhere or
appear to have any solid basis beyond: I think this and my friends think
this.  We like pretty! This appears to be right up there with: I have free
time! So I will contribute to Wikipedia!  Yes, fine.  Great.  And you have
free time... so why are you motivated to edit Wikipedia instead of updating
Facebook?  There is a motivation gap that is totally missing there.

There is a lot of research on design, its principles and how to do it right.
Yes, there are differences between male and female web users.  Cite the
research for it and then make relevant.

Moss, G., Gunn, R. and Heller, J. (2006), Some men like it black, some women
like it pink: consumer implications of differences in male and female
website design. Journal of Consumer Behaviour, 5: 328–341.
doi: 10.1002/cb.184 is one such study that talks about design principle
differences between men and women.

Interesting conclusions from that paper on page 335:

This indicates
that the hypotheses generated from earlier
literature as to the greater likelihood of women
to seek ease of navigation is not borne out by
the results of this study. In fact, the reverse
could be said to be the case with femaledesigned
sites being linked up to a wider range
of subject sites.

Also on page 335:

Based on the work of Tannen (1990), it was
hypothesised that the language used in the
male-produced websites would contain more
features indicative of overt competitiveness
than the female-produced sites would. As the
results in Table 3 indicate, this finding is also
borne out by the present study:
The results reveal statistically significant
differences on four of the five language
elements, with females showing a statistically
greater tendency than the males to employ
abbreviations, self-denigration, non-expert and
informal language. These differences suggest
greater overt competitiveness on the part of
the males in the sample than the females.


On page 336:

In statistical terms, females are statistically
significantly more likely than males to use
rounded rather than straight shapes to avoid a
horizontal layout, to use more colours for
typography irregular typography, informal
images and more of certain specific
colours (white, yellow, pink and mauve) for
typography.


There is a lot of research out there and falling back on it, using it, seems
very important if the goal is to provide actionable information for WMF to
make design changes to better cater to both sexes.  Make Wikipedia look
pretty is good but isn't very actionable in terms of giving that advice.
(And the Vector skin appears to be a big step in that direction.)  I
honestly think though, if motivation could be tapped into, this would less
of an issue because there are plenty of sites which don't follow the
research and have large female contributor bases.  Think Facebook, MySpace,
LiveJournal and FanFiction.Net.
-- 
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Re: [Gendergap] Why women and wikis do mix...

2011-03-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
--- On Tue, 8/3/11, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
 From: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
 Subject: [Gendergap] Why women and wikis do mix...
 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
 Date: Tuesday, 8 March, 2011, 19:09
 On Signpost:
 
 https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-03-07/In_the_news
 
 http://lola-pr.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-women-wikis-do-mix.html
 
 Fred


Thanks Fred, interesting. Here are some sample articles from Wikifashion:

http://wikifashion.com/wiki/Christian_Dior/Resort_2011
http://wikifashion.com/wiki/Yasmin_Sewell

I don't think there is anyone in en:WP who would write these articles. Yet the
article on the Resort 2011 collection is precisely the level of detail that
we would have on something like wrestling or Pokemon, and it's notable, with
coverage in decent sources.

Yasmin Sewell doesn't even have an article on en:WP (look her up in Google
News to see how notable she is ...).

We discussed the design issue that the Wikifashion lady highlights a few weeks 
ago. 

I like the Wikifashion interface design ... having a toggle option to change 
to a design like that would be useful in WP. A real eye-opener. Please let's
add a design like that as an option. 

Following on from what Carol said, and from observing how and why my wife 
writes, I think women do get a kick out of writing an article about someone 
whose work they think is important, be it a biography or an article about that 
work. There clearly are women out there who enjoy writing a wiki article on 
a widely covered fashion collection; they're just not doing it in Wikipedia.

I like that Wikifashion has lots of images: again, this follows entirely the
model of reliable sources writing about fashion. Yet I can't recall ever
seeing such richly illustrated fashion pages in Wikipedia.

Andreas


  

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