[Gendergap] Looking for documentation regarding wiki uses by ....
Hi guys I apology if the issue has already been covered (I do not follow the list with 100% attention). I am looking for *any* study, stats, reports, which would have been made in the past or is ongoing regarding the use of Wikimedia projects and/or the use of Wiki software generally, by specific groups of people such as: * women * poorly educated people * people with mental disabilities * people with physical disabilities * people living in poor suburbs in so-called rich countries * people deeply socially disconnected In particular with regards to how Wikimedia projects or the use of wiki software/concept might have improved their situation (better integration in society for example). Any little bit might help. Do not hesitate to contact me privately if it is not a feedback directly in the scope of this list. Thanks in advance ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Proposal: Forking gendergap: Main list for women and transgender, sublist for male supporters
I don't edit Wikipedia because I've never taken the time to learn the system and I'm afraid I'll screw up. I assume it would feel like making a big mistake in a newspaper and having the whole neighborhood scoff, and I think that becomes a part of my Wikipedia profile forever and ever. I'd like to find a YouTube video to walk me through basic involvement. If it's that cute guy from Portland who is now a Wikipedia community manager presenting it, well all the better. I could also be encouraged to edit if the community had an offline component that included meeting for microbrews. Thanks, Carissa One of the original meanings of Wikipedia:Ignore all rules addressed that. It's current formulation is laconic and opaque to anyone but an insider. The original formulation was If rules make you nervous and depressed, and not desirous of participating in the Wiki, then ignore them and go about your business. I remember getting off to a pretty rough start. As to beer, I think you need to live in London for that. Fred ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Gender Gap discussion at Recent Changes Camp 2011
Hello, As one of the organizers/attendees for Recent Changes Camp Boston 2011, I just wanted to share what happened during the Gender Gap session through pictures taken by wikiHow admin ttrimm. This was the most popular session, followed by a session about Wiki Politics: Gender Gap session attendeeshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/ttrimm/5527798069/in/set-72157626144598891/#/photos/ttrimm/5527798069/in/set-72157626144598891/lightbox/. (I am the woman in purple next to the easel on the right who is scratching her head.) Noteshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/ttrimm/5527798201/in/set-72157626144598891/. - If you have any questions about the notes, please feel free to ask me either here or off-list. 40% of the conference attendees were female. Most of these women were wikiHow admis, but also Anne Goldenberg (the facilitator and one of the co-organizers), a woman who created websites using Tiki as well as a woman who was just getting started editing Appropedia. I think the conclusion that we came to was that making it easier for people to become part of the community (for example, being less argumentative with newbies), would help to lower the barriers to entry and get more people involved. Basically, anything that would help the newbies like clearer documentation and being super gentle with people who are editing wikis for the first time. While newbie friendliness, may not be specific to women, we felt that it would help get more new editors on Wikipedia and the other WMF projects, including more women. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Proposal: Forking gendergap: Main list for women and transgender, sublist for male supporters
On 3/15/11 9:34 AM, Nicole Willson wrote: Lastly, I had a question about Fred's statement about rules. If following rules isn't that important in the beginning, how come I have only gotten feedback once about what I've done wrong with date formatting and never gotten a message about what I've done right on Wikipedia? I've made at least 150 edits, so one of them must have been good, right? Instead I get a message about date formatting (which someone else could probably fix easily) and told to look at the MoS (which assumes that I know that it stands for Manual of Style). It seems to me that there may be a disconnect here. Yes, there is definitely a disconnect. I proposed adding some positive user feedback templates to the widely-used Twinkle gadget a while back, but was shot down due to concerns that it would be abused(?!). So instead, I created a new WikiLove user script and have proposed it as a new gadget. This script makes it just as easy to add barnstars, cookies, kittens, cupcakes, etc. to user talk pages as it is to add warning templates via Twinkle. The response to my proposal was baffling: doesn't seem to have any practical purpose, I don't think most people would be pleased to see an increase in barnstar-giving, the current level of barnstar-giving is sufficient. Apparently the community puts little to no values in positive user feedback. This is probably a symptom of the Eternal September effect mentioned by Sue in the March Update. I think the culture can change, but it's going to take a sustained and concerted effort. Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Proposal: Forking gendergap: Main list for women and transgender, sublist for male supporters
On 3/15/11 9:34 AM, Nicole Willson wrote: Lastly, I had a question about Fred's statement about rules. If following rules isn't that important in the beginning, how come I have only gotten feedback once about what I've done wrong with date formatting and never gotten a message about what I've done right on Wikipedia? I've made at least 150 edits, so one of them must have been good, right? Instead I get a message about date formatting (which someone else could probably fix easily) and told to look at the MoS (which assumes that I know that it stands for Manual of Style). It seems to me that there may be a disconnect here. Yes, there is definitely a disconnect. I proposed adding some positive user feedback templates to the widely-used Twinkle gadget a while back, but was shot down due to concerns that it would be abused(?!). So instead, I created a new WikiLove user script and have proposed it as a new gadget. This script makes it just as easy to add barnstars, cookies, kittens, cupcakes, etc. to user talk pages as it is to add warning templates via Twinkle. The response to my proposal was baffling: doesn't seem to have any practical purpose, I don't think most people would be pleased to see an increase in barnstar-giving, the current level of barnstar-giving is sufficient. Apparently the community puts little to no values in positive user feedback. This is probably a symptom of the Eternal September effect mentioned by Sue in the March Update. I think the culture can change, but it's going to take a sustained and concerted effort. Kaldari Obviously a gendered response... Perhaps a backslapping or high-fiving bot... Fred ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] How to use Wiki videos
Hi Carissa et al, This is the pan-wiki meetup in Portland, you may well already be familiar with this one: http://pdx.wiki.org/Welcome_to_Portland_WikiWednesday! For Mexico City, I suggest you get in touch with the group working to form the Wikimedia Mexico chapter: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_México Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos) On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for the ideas. About wikimeetups: everybody else is waiting for you to announce one. Once you do, they will come. About the culture: I think Steven Walling's presentation is one of the most succinct: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkF5o6KPNI Good luck with the editing. Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Fellow of the Wikimedia Foundation / Wikimedia Foudation-stipendiat Chair of Wikimedia Sverige / ordförande för Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:04:15 -0600 From: carissawodeho...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] How to use Wiki videos Hi, Yep I do find both of those videos too basic (http://www.howcast.com/videos/317521-How-To-Edit-a-Wikipedia-Article and http://www.commoncraft.com/wikipedia-video). I get the nuts and bolts of how to click around, I know basic html when I see it, and I remember neutral tone and proper citations from college and time in publishing (but gotta love a video on the internet that explains that you need an internet connection). The Howcast referenced the Wiki:Cite page, which I then find confusing because I don't get when to use each citation method. A Strunk White version of the rules is what I need! There's so many women in publishing, that could be a good group to target for women on Wiki involvement, as someone said before. I just need to know how wiki editing is similar and different from AP Style, for example. I would also be interested in a video that explains the community, which is both one of the primary barriers and primary motivations I have for participating. I didn't know about barnstars and awards, for example. Then I eventually found this Editor Assistance page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_assistance) which looks like something handy-- I didn't know there was a place to ask for help. Then, what are user talk, user boxes, who gives awards, who are some key figures (Jimbo, etc), what is the user/editor/moderator relationship, and what are some things that can happen once I start editing and interacting. That's what a video would be handy for. It all feels like trying to get into Lost in the last season-- all these time tunnels and smoke monsters that I couldn't trace to their original form if I tried. Sadly, I see no meet ups in Portland or Mexico City, yet... Thanks, Carissa ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] How to use Wiki videos
A video incorporating the new RefToolbar (the thing that appears when you click Cite in the editor) would be helpful in this regard. Citation templates and citation formatting are definitely one of the biggest barriers to truly integrating newbies into Wikipedia editing (i.e. getting beyond doing spelling corrections). I think that people would be a lot less intimidated if they knew they could just paste in an ISBN number and click a button and the citation is automatically created for them. (I remember my own amazement at learning this.) Ryan Kaldari On 3/15/11 4:04 PM, Carissa Wodehouse wrote: Hi, Yep I do find both of those videos too basic (http://www.howcast.com/videos/317521-How-To-Edit-a-Wikipedia-Article and http://www.commoncraft.com/wikipedia-video). I get the nuts and bolts of how to click around, I know basic html when I see it, and I remember neutral tone and proper citations from college and time in publishing (but gotta love a video on the internet that explains that you need an internet connection). The Howcast referenced the Wiki:Cite page, which I then find confusing because I don't get when to use each citation method. A Strunk White version of the rules is what I need! There's so many women in publishing, that could be a good group to target for women on Wiki involvement, as someone said before. I just need to know how wiki editing is similar and different from AP Style, for example. I would also be interested in a video that explains the community, which is both one of the primary barriers and primary motivations I have for participating. I didn't know about barnstars and awards, for example. Then I eventually found this Editor Assistance page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_assistance) which looks like something handy-- I didn't know there was a place to ask for help. Then, what are user talk, user boxes, who gives awards, who are some key figures (Jimbo, etc), what is the user/editor/moderator relationship, and what are some things that can happen once I start editing and interacting. That's what a video would be handy for. It all feels like trying to get into Lost in the last season-- all these time tunnels and smoke monsters that I couldn't trace to their original form if I tried. Sadly, I see no meet ups in Portland or Mexico City, yet... Thanks, Carissa ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
