Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia
That's a good point. Even here in San Francisco it's much easier to find female nudity in art and advertising than male nudity. I just wish people would stick to commenting on the art instead of the woman's body. Ryan Kaldari On 5/2/12 12:40 AM, Caroline Becker wrote: The problem is, we live in a biased world where you can find much, much more female nudity in fine art musem than male nudity. I'm currently post-treating and uploading pictures from the Museum of Fine Arts of Rennes (France) and the only naked male body is a sculpture of a boy/young teenager playing, while they are lot of naked women, both in sculpture and paintings. Half-naked men are more often corpses than sexy budies. (If you want I can create a gallery with all artworks showing naked or half-naked women). What can I do with that ? Not uploaded pictures of artworks with naked women ? Working harder to have awesome pictures of artworks with naked men ? Caroline 2012/5/2 Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com mailto:petefors...@gmail.com It seems strange to talk about Featured Pictured Candidates as though it is a process, or talk about bias -- from what I could discern when I looked into it last time around, it's basically a system that lets anybody promote their own work, as long as they know how to jump through a couple pretty straightforward hoops and wait a few months. I still think that simply, clearly, *documenting* the process in a practical sense would be a useful first step toward thinking up and building interest in a more refined system. Until somebody puts in the effort to do something like that, we're going to continue to see weird entries on the front page of Commons (and many other projects that use Commons' front page image on their own front page) simply because one person took the initiative to make it happen. Not because the community at Commons made a bad decision. The community didn't make a decision at all. -Pete On May 1, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: Speaking of gender and nudity, it seems the bias towards female nudity at en.wiki's Featured Picture Candidates is still as strong as ever. And check out the quality comments at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/The_Pearl_and_the_Wave After you guys are finished photographing your all-male cumshots, maybe you could find some nice nude male art to nominate at Featured Picture Candidates. Too bad Robert Mapplethorpe is still copyrighted. Ryan Kaldari On 4/28/12 12:17 AM, Paolo Massa wrote: If you are curious about the images used in the same article on other language editions of Wikipedia you can use Manypedia. For the page Cumshot, it seems currently the same image is used on all language editions, while the Spanish one uses one more image http://www.manypedia.com/#|en|Cumshot|es http://www.manypedia.com/#%7Cen%7CCumshot%7Ces and the Japanese a different additional one. http://www.manypedia.com/#|en|Cumshot|ja http://www.manypedia.com/#%7Cen%7CCumshot%7Cja Of course this is not to say that if all language editions of Wikipedia represent the same concept using the same images, this is the best way of representing it. But at least you can appreciate differences in representations of different language communities. For example see the page Underwear on English and Arabic Wikipedia, http://www.manypedia.com/#|en|Underwear|ar http://www.manypedia.com/#%7Cen%7CUnderwear%7Car Hope it helps. On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Emily Monroeemilymonro...@gmail.com mailto:emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure the technical term for it either, but the laymen's term is female ejactulation. *shrugs* From, Emily On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Carol Moore DCcarolmoor...@verizon.net mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/27/2012 3:45 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: I could have a go again, Carol.:) Gay porn is underrepresented in these articles. Andreas So if I was too implicit in my statement. As Andreas surmised, I meant re-do that photo to make it male on male. Or do a second one that's male on male. Go for it! As for female ejaculation since ejaculation is putting out sperm, I don't think women do it. Women obviously -- geez, I don't what you call it besides get wet. And maybe orgasms squeeze some of it out an orifice. But I don't think that's ejaculation. But I do now know I don't what the technical terms are or if there are any!! CM ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
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On 5/2/2012 3:40 AM, Caroline Becker wrote: Working harder to have awesome pictures of artworks with naked men ? Caroline I did the bio of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Feinstein_%28sculptor%29 as part of a GLAM event. Her husband does http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Currin does a lot of satirical paintings of nude and/or big bossomed women. Hmmm, maybe approach her to do a series on nude men... (Note: still have to get one of her pics on that article and add more about her to his. So many articles, so little time.) Searching nude male did find a bunch including by an artist who might be willing to do an original homosexual cum shot picture http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Searchlimit=500offset=0redirs=1profile=defaultsearch=nude+male ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia
Is there a perception bias here? There are many many fine art nudes of men in existence. And if you look at the body of work for nude sculpture then many are male - Pope Pius IX was so enraged by this he even went around sticking fig leaves over all the cocks in the vatican*, an utter travesty in art. If you wander around the Louvre you will see lots of nude men on display. Modern advertising? Again perception bias I think - buy any girly mag (and I've been subjected to many) and they are littered with pictures of half-dressed blokes. Case in point; the famous image of Beckham in very small undies. One of my friends in advertising likes to say something along the lines of well one good thing you can say about this industry; at the very least we are not sexists. Nude people are popular pretty much in general :) Tom * ahem, that might be construed wrongly :S On 2 May 2012 17:55, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: ** That's a good point. Even here in San Francisco it's much easier to find female nudity in art and advertising than male nudity. I just wish people would stick to commenting on the art instead of the woman's body. Ryan Kaldari On 5/2/12 12:40 AM, Caroline Becker wrote: The problem is, we live in a biased world where you can find much, much more female nudity in fine art musem than male nudity. I'm currently post-treating and uploading pictures from the Museum of Fine Arts of Rennes (France) and the only naked male body is a sculpture of a boy/young teenager playing, while they are lot of naked women, both in sculpture and paintings. Half-naked men are more often corpses than sexy budies. (If you want I can create a gallery with all artworks showing naked or half-naked women). What can I do with that ? Not uploaded pictures of artworks with naked women ? Working harder to have awesome pictures of artworks with naked men ? Caroline 2012/5/2 Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com It seems strange to talk about Featured Pictured Candidates as though it is a process, or talk about bias -- from what I could discern when I looked into it last time around, it's basically a system that lets anybody promote their own work, as long as they know how to jump through a couple pretty straightforward hoops and wait a few months. I still think that simply, clearly, *documenting* the process in a practical sense would be a useful first step toward thinking up and building interest in a more refined system. Until somebody puts in the effort to do something like that, we're going to continue to see weird entries on the front page of Commons (and many other projects that use Commons' front page image on their own front page) simply because one person took the initiative to make it happen. Not because the community at Commons made a bad decision. The community didn't make a decision at all. -Pete On May 1, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: Speaking of gender and nudity, it seems the bias towards female nudity at en.wiki's Featured Picture Candidates is still as strong as ever. And check out the quality comments at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/The_Pearl_and_the_Wave After you guys are finished photographing your all-male cumshots, maybe you could find some nice nude male art to nominate at Featured Picture Candidates. Too bad Robert Mapplethorpe is still copyrighted. Ryan Kaldari On 4/28/12 12:17 AM, Paolo Massa wrote: If you are curious about the images used in the same article on other language editions of Wikipedia you can use Manypedia. For the page Cumshot, it seems currently the same image is used on all language editions, while the Spanish one uses one more image http://www.manypedia.com/#|en|Cumshot|es and the Japanese a different additional one. http://www.manypedia.com/#|en|Cumshot|ja Of course this is not to say that if all language editions of Wikipedia represent the same concept using the same images, this is the best way of representing it. But at least you can appreciate differences in representations of different language communities. For example see the page Underwear on English and Arabic Wikipedia, http://www.manypedia.com/#|en|Underwear|ar Hope it helps. On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Emily Monroeemilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure the technical term for it either, but the laymen's term is female ejactulation. *shrugs* From, Emily On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/27/2012 3:45 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: I could have a go again, Carol.:) Gay porn is underrepresented in these articles. Andreas So if I was too implicit in my statement. As Andreas surmised, I meant re-do that photo to make it male on male. Or do a second one that's male on male. Go for it! As for female ejaculation since ejaculation is putting out sperm, I don't
Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia
Advertising not sexist. Really. I realize this is a tangent, but if I am going to see cumshot in my email list a few more times, I might as well join in. Hi all! Heather On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote: Is there a perception bias here? There are many many fine art nudes of men in existence. And if you look at the body of work for nude sculpture then many are male - Pope Pius IX was so enraged by this he even went around sticking fig leaves over all the cocks in the vatican*, an utter travesty in art. If you wander around the Louvre you will see lots of nude men on display. Modern advertising? Again perception bias I think - buy any girly mag (and I've been subjected to many) and they are littered with pictures of half-dressed blokes. Case in point; the famous image of Beckham in very small undies. One of my friends in advertising likes to say something along the lines of well one good thing you can say about this industry; at the very least we are not sexists. Nude people are popular pretty much in general :) Tom * ahem, that might be construed wrongly :S On 2 May 2012 17:55, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: ** That's a good point. Even here in San Francisco it's much easier to find female nudity in art and advertising than male nudity. I just wish people would stick to commenting on the art instead of the woman's body. Ryan Kaldari On 5/2/12 12:40 AM, Caroline Becker wrote: The problem is, we live in a biased world where you can find much, much more female nudity in fine art musem than male nudity. I'm currently post-treating and uploading pictures from the Museum of Fine Arts of Rennes (France) and the only naked male body is a sculpture of a boy/young teenager playing, while they are lot of naked women, both in sculpture and paintings. Half-naked men are more often corpses than sexy budies. (If you want I can create a gallery with all artworks showing naked or half-naked women). What can I do with that ? Not uploaded pictures of artworks with naked women ? Working harder to have awesome pictures of artworks with naked men ? Caroline 2012/5/2 Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com It seems strange to talk about Featured Pictured Candidates as though it is a process, or talk about bias -- from what I could discern when I looked into it last time around, it's basically a system that lets anybody promote their own work, as long as they know how to jump through a couple pretty straightforward hoops and wait a few months. I still think that simply, clearly, *documenting* the process in a practical sense would be a useful first step toward thinking up and building interest in a more refined system. Until somebody puts in the effort to do something like that, we're going to continue to see weird entries on the front page of Commons (and many other projects that use Commons' front page image on their own front page) simply because one person took the initiative to make it happen. Not because the community at Commons made a bad decision. The community didn't make a decision at all. -Pete On May 1, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: Speaking of gender and nudity, it seems the bias towards female nudity at en.wiki's Featured Picture Candidates is still as strong as ever. And check out the quality comments at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/The_Pearl_and_the_Wave After you guys are finished photographing your all-male cumshots, maybe you could find some nice nude male art to nominate at Featured Picture Candidates. Too bad Robert Mapplethorpe is still copyrighted. Ryan Kaldari On 4/28/12 12:17 AM, Paolo Massa wrote: If you are curious about the images used in the same article on other language editions of Wikipedia you can use Manypedia. For the page Cumshot, it seems currently the same image is used on all language editions, while the Spanish one uses one more image http://www.manypedia.com/#|en|Cumshot|es and the Japanese a different additional one. http://www.manypedia.com/#|en|Cumshot|ja Of course this is not to say that if all language editions of Wikipedia represent the same concept using the same images, this is the best way of representing it. But at least you can appreciate differences in representations of different language communities. For example see the page Underwear on English and Arabic Wikipedia, http://www.manypedia.com/#|en|Underwear|ar Hope it helps. On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Emily Monroeemilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure the technical term for it either, but the laymen's term is female ejactulation. *shrugs* From, Emily On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/27/2012 3:45 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: I could have a go again, Carol.:) Gay porn is underrepresented in these
Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia
Advertising not sexist. Really. Well I'd be interested to hear rational arguments that it is... I've always found advertising to be highly sexualised, but refreshingly free of sexism. Tom ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia
On May 2, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: Advertising not sexist. Really. Well I'd be interested to hear rational arguments that it is... I've always found advertising to be highly sexualised, but refreshingly free of sexism. You're kidding, right? Advertising is so jam-loaded with sexism, it's hard to know where to start. Just about every advert plays on stereotypes. When's the last time you saw a guy cleaning kitchens in TV ads? Or a woman buying cars? Yes, there are exceptions but they're pretty thin on the ground. Oh, and hello everyone! I'm User:Alison from enwiki and Commons :) -- Allie ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia
Perfect opportunity to share one of my favorite blog memes: http://thehairpin.com/2011/11/women-struggling-to-drink-water Ryan Kaldari On 5/2/12 2:20 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: Advertising not sexist. Really. Well I'd be interested to hear rational arguments that it is... I've always found advertising to be highly sexualised, but refreshingly free of sexism. Tom ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia
On 2 May 2012 22:22, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: On May 2, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: I've always found advertising to be highly sexualised, but refreshingly free of sexism. I tend to agree with Heather...this strains credibility. It's hard to know whether to take this statement seriously. Seriously? I mean, I don't want to derail this discussion further, but as someone who responds fairly equally to nudey boys and girls both are very visibly in use in advertising. Although; Alison raises a point about stereotypes that I didn't really think about :) as the discussion was about the relative numbers of nudey genders... in terms of playing on *stereotypes*, sure, it can be sexist to men and women. Tom ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia
On 2 May 2012 22:27, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: ** Perfect opportunity to share one of my favorite blog memes: http://thehairpin.com/2011/11/women-struggling-to-drink-water Ryan Kaldari *sigh* well I entirely agree with Alison's point. But that one is definitely perception bias. The OMG I can't drink water thing is equally misused for guys and girls. Usdually for a boy they have their top off too (I have a trashy mag in front of me now that includes two such images). Tom p.s. just to equalise things.. ;) http://www.lexiebond.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/milk.jpg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia
Perfect opportunity to share one of my favorite blog memes: http://thehairpin.com/2011/11/women-struggling-to-drink-water Seriously though, it doesn't seem that controversial to say that mainstream advertising heavily skews to female nudity. Next time you pass a magazine stand, count the number of covers with female nudity and male nudity. I'll bet you a wiki-beer it's greater than 2 to 1. Judging by the last time I was in Paris, I would guess 10 to 1. Ryan Kaldari On 5/2/12 2:28 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: On 2 May 2012 22:22, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com mailto:petefors...@gmail.com wrote: On May 2, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: I've always found advertising to be highly sexualised, but refreshingly free of sexism. I tend to agree with Heather...this strains credibility. It's hard to know whether to take this statement seriously. Seriously? I mean, I don't want to derail this discussion further, but as someone who responds fairly equally to nudey boys and girls both are very visibly in use in advertising. Although; Alison raises a point about stereotypes that I didn't really think about :) as the discussion was about the relative numbers of nudey genders... in terms of playing on /stereotypes/, sure, it can be sexist to men and women. Tom ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia
On 2 May 2012 22:36, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: ** Perfect opportunity to share one of my favorite blog memes: http://thehairpin.com/2011/11/women-struggling-to-drink-water Seriously though, it doesn't seem that controversial to say that mainstream advertising heavily skews to female nudity. Next time you pass a magazine stand, count the number of covers with female nudity and male nudity. I'll bet you a wiki-beer it's greater than 2 to 1. Judging by the last time I was in Paris, I would guess 10 to 1. Ryan Kaldari On the principle of genuine interest I will take you up on that challenge :) and will report back tomorrow. Tom ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia
On 5/2/12 2:38 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: On 2 May 2012 22:36, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org mailto:rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Perfect opportunity to share one of my favorite blog memes: http://thehairpin.com/2011/11/women-struggling-to-drink-water Seriously though, it doesn't seem that controversial to say that mainstream advertising heavily skews to female nudity. Next time you pass a magazine stand, count the number of covers with female nudity and male nudity. I'll bet you a wiki-beer it's greater than 2 to 1. Judging by the last time I was in Paris, I would guess 10 to 1. Ryan Kaldari On the principle of genuine interest I will take you up on that challenge :) and will report back tomorrow. Tom I'll be very happy to be proven wrong. I'm certainly subject to perception bias, but perception isn't always wrong. Don't forget to take a cell-phone photo if you want to collect your wiki-beer :) Ryan Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Bias regarding male and female nudity in art
I looked at all the pictures I took at the museum of Fine Arts of Angers (France), since I still have all of them on my hard drive while the ones I took at Rennes are both on my hard drive and on Commons servers. I actually realized, at least concerning Angers, that they were an almost equal displaying of male and female tits (my mesure of partial nudity), at least for adults. One painting even shows a fully clothed woman with three almost nude menhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Un_Mariage_antique.JPG. (the meta data / description part is crappy, I'll fixed it tomorrow, meaning in eight hours). Thank you Wikimedia movement, I was not creepy enougth with always thinking Category:women facing right in red dresses while visiting a museum, now I will count male vs female tits :D Caroline ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia
Wonderful. Don't miss http://thehairpin.com/2011/01/women-laughing-alone-with-salad Andreas On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: ** Perfect opportunity to share one of my favorite blog memes: http://thehairpin.com/2011/11/women-struggling-to-drink-water Ryan Kaldari On 5/2/12 2:20 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: Advertising not sexist. Really. Well I'd be interested to hear rational arguments that it is... I've always found advertising to be highly sexualised, but refreshingly free of sexism. Tom ___ Gendergap mailing listGendergap@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
