Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation. Did you already invite Laura? _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 02:13, Valerie Aurora vale...@adainitiative.org wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all - As was announced several months ago, I am now one of the moderators of this list. Some time ago, there was a discussion on this list about behavioral standards for this list. There was widespread agreement in the initial thread that it's important for this list to remain a safe space for discussion, even if that means enforcing a behavioral standard higher than is the norm on other Wikimedia mailing lists. I think that given the nature of this list, it would be especially, extraordinarily, unusually counterproductive to allow a consistently combative or consistently uncivil environment to take root here. Given the previous thread about it, and some off-list conversations I've recently had, I know I am far from the only list member to feel that way. Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no hands-on moderation of this list. From now on, there will potentially be some. It won't be draconian - and really, I hope it'll never be used at all - but I think it's important to guarantee that the atmosphere of this list remains friendly, and I wanted to announce how I will be approaching it. If, after an initial direct request to change their behavior, anyone behaves in a way that is significantly disruptive to this list, a way that is consistently uncivil, or a way that consistently makes other list members feel uncomfortable participating on this list, I will be putting them on +moderate, which means that all of their emails will be held until I approve them - and I'll only be approving emails that don't do those things. I obviously don't mean that dissenting opinions aren't okay; I think they should always be welcomed and moderation will not be done on the basis of the opinion someone expresses. But, I do think that all opinions can be expressed in a civil way that doesn't make other list members feel uncomfortable. We could create an enumerated list of rules trying to cover every scenario that could come up, but I don't think that would be necessary or productive. I think that most people realize when they stop over a line - and if they don't before someone else speaks up about it, they certainly should afterwards. I normally watch most traffic on this list, but I don't always (this week is finals for me :).) If you have a complaint about someone's behavior that you think needs moderator attention that has been missed, please send me a direct email. If someone else emails you asking to change your behavior or expressing discomfort in your posting style, please take a minute to step back and see if there could be something to their request. It's understandable that sometimes tensions will run high on gendergap issues and no one will be moderated unless their posts are consistently problematic even after being approached about it. Feedback on this is welcome, although the basic idea (that members whose presence is disruptive to this list being a safe space) is unlikely to totally change. Thanks, Kevin. This announcement agrees with my personal understanding of the role of a male ally. First, the action you are taking is in response to the expressed wishes of many women. Second, you took up this role after a long time of waiting for someone else to step up. Third, the actions you take will again be in response to the requests of many women. Acting in this capacity seems totally congruent with being an ally in my opinion. -VAL -- Increasing the participation of women in open technology and culture http://adainitiative.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
On 5/8/12 9:52 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: On 8 May 2012 14:42, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt mailto:beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation. Did you already invite Laura? _ /Béria Lima/ I'd suggest that Laura is possibly not a good moderator candidate given her extremely strong viewpoint; I'd be concerned she would moderate posts, for example, on the basis they came from a man, rather than on behavioural merits - or at least that this would influence her moderator actions. Indeed, her earlier posts on this thread IMO serve as an example of divisive material/rants that would need moderator attention. Tom I agree with Tom. This list is open to people of any gender participating. I know that WikiChix isn't around anymore, but, if folks are interested in having women's only discussion they are welcome to start a women's only mailing list, though I feel that would deter from the actual goal of encouraging broader participation in underrepresented groups, /but the latter is my personal opinion/. However, I understand the importance for women feeling more comfortable in a women's only environment when discussing specific subjects. This mailing list was founded space for any gendered being to discuss and think about ways to improve the gender disparity in Wikimedia projects, so I'd be disappointed to see a fork, but, again, I understand if some people are more comfortable in a gender specific landscape at times. I personally find value in any gender participating, especially as someone who identifies as gender queer. As I said, I take it personal both ways - when women aren't told to participate and when men aren't, but, that's based on my own personal gender identity. (again this is my personal opinion) I would encourage anyone who is interested in lending a hand with moderation who perhaps leans more towards feminist in regards to balancing out gender inequality in their beliefs or is comfortable in working with any gender to ping the moderators off list. It really takes little to no work, it's just dealing with the occasional hiccup in civility when it causes angst. (I generally handle the spam that gets blocked to the list.) Thanks, Sarah -- *Sarah Stierch* */Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow/* Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
Well, people like her are the only one i will respect to moderate me. For obvious reasons, I will not accept any moderation coming from Sarah and I don't think that list should be dominated by a men. Btw, if someone do more for women than Laura, who had the very idea of a Woman's Camp (WikiWomenCamp - who already got a daugther - The AdaCamp) I don't know who should. The fact you like her or not is irrelevant. (Will you remove Sarah or Sue based on that?) _ *Béria Lima* * Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 10:52, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 8 May 2012 14:42, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation. Did you already invite Laura? _ *Béria Lima* I'd suggest that Laura is possibly not a good moderator candidate given her extremely strong viewpoint; I'd be concerned she would moderate posts, for example, on the basis they came from a man, rather than on behavioural merits - or at least that this would influence her moderator actions. Indeed, her earlier posts on this thread IMO serve as an example of divisive material/rants that would need moderator attention. Tom ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
You know what, Beria? At the very least, you will have to respect Sarahs' authority. You're going to have the respect the authority of every moderator, male, female, or other, and respect the right of *everyone* to participate on this list. From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: Well, people like her are the only one i will respect to moderate me. For obvious reasons, I will not accept any moderation coming from Sarah and I don't think that list should be dominated by a men. Btw, if someone do more for women than Laura, who had the very idea of a Woman's Camp (WikiWomenCamp - who already got a daugther - The AdaCamp) I don't know who should. The fact you like her or not is irrelevant. (Will you remove Sarah or Sue based on that?) _ *Béria Lima* * Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 10:52, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 8 May 2012 14:42, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation. Did you already invite Laura? _ *Béria Lima* I'd suggest that Laura is possibly not a good moderator candidate given her extremely strong viewpoint; I'd be concerned she would moderate posts, for example, on the basis they came from a man, rather than on behavioural merits - or at least that this would influence her moderator actions. Indeed, her earlier posts on this thread IMO serve as an example of divisive material/rants that would need moderator attention. Tom ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
And who will make me Emily? How old are we that we need to have people sitting on the corner? And authority and respect is not something that is there for miracle, you need to earn it. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 12:46, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: You know what, Beria? At the very least, you will have to respect Sarahs' authority. You're going to have the respect the authority of every moderator, male, female, or other, and respect the right of *everyone* to participate on this list. From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.ptwrote: Well, people like her are the only one i will respect to moderate me. For obvious reasons, I will not accept any moderation coming from Sarah and I don't think that list should be dominated by a men. Btw, if someone do more for women than Laura, who had the very idea of a Woman's Camp (WikiWomenCamp - who already got a daugther - The AdaCamp) I don't know who should. The fact you like her or not is irrelevant. (Will you remove Sarah or Sue based on that?) _ *Béria Lima* * Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 10:52, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 8 May 2012 14:42, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation. Did you already invite Laura? _ *Béria Lima* I'd suggest that Laura is possibly not a good moderator candidate given her extremely strong viewpoint; I'd be concerned she would moderate posts, for example, on the basis they came from a man, rather than on behavioural merits - or at least that this would influence her moderator actions. Indeed, her earlier posts on this thread IMO serve as an example of divisive material/rants that would need moderator attention. Tom ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
Sarah has earned respect. Please give it. From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: And who will make me Emily? How old are we that we need to have people sitting on the corner? And authority and respect is not something that is there for miracle, you need to earn it. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 12:46, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: You know what, Beria? At the very least, you will have to respect Sarahs' authority. You're going to have the respect the authority of every moderator, male, female, or other, and respect the right of *everyone* to participate on this list. From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.ptwrote: Well, people like her are the only one i will respect to moderate me. For obvious reasons, I will not accept any moderation coming from Sarah and I don't think that list should be dominated by a men. Btw, if someone do more for women than Laura, who had the very idea of a Woman's Camp (WikiWomenCamp - who already got a daugther - The AdaCamp) I don't know who should. The fact you like her or not is irrelevant. (Will you remove Sarah or Sue based on that?) _ *Béria Lima* * Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 10:52, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 8 May 2012 14:42, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation. Did you already invite Laura? _ *Béria Lima* I'd suggest that Laura is possibly not a good moderator candidate given her extremely strong viewpoint; I'd be concerned she would moderate posts, for example, on the basis they came from a man, rather than on behavioural merits - or at least that this would influence her moderator actions. Indeed, her earlier posts on this thread IMO serve as an example of divisive material/rants that would need moderator attention. Tom ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] AdaCamp DC - July 10-11
Hi everyone, I wanted to send a second reminder about *AdaCamp DC*, which will take place in (you guessed it!) Washington, D.C. on July 10-11. We intentionally wanted it to take place during Wikimania since we have a strong cross-over of attendees. So far we've had a remarkable response from the international community, with attendees ranging from everywhere including Australia to Burma, the United Kingdom to Poland! From the website: AdaCamp is an Ada Initiative http://adainitiative.org/ event focused on increasing women's participation in open technology and culture. AdaCamp brings together people to build community, discuss issues women have in common across open technology and culture fields, and find ways to address them. Open technology and culture includes open source software, Wikipedia and other wiki projects, open data, open government, fan/remix culture, open libraries, and more. Attendance is by invitation and attendees are selected from qualified applicants through an open invitation process. Attendance is open to people of all genders. The first AdaCamp was AdaCamp Melbourne http://melbourne.adacamp.org/, in January 2012. http://dc.adacamp.org/ We hope you'll join us and please apply. Also, feel free to forward this onto your colleagues, cohorts and comrades! Sarah -- *Sarah Stierch* */Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow/* Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
Obviously not from me, or we would not having this talk. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 16:02, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: Sarah has earned respect. Please give it. From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.ptwrote: And who will make me Emily? How old are we that we need to have people sitting on the corner? And authority and respect is not something that is there for miracle, you need to earn it. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 12:46, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: You know what, Beria? At the very least, you will have to respect Sarahs' authority. You're going to have the respect the authority of every moderator, male, female, or other, and respect the right of *everyone* to participate on this list. From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.ptwrote: Well, people like her are the only one i will respect to moderate me. For obvious reasons, I will not accept any moderation coming from Sarah and I don't think that list should be dominated by a men. Btw, if someone do more for women than Laura, who had the very idea of a Woman's Camp (WikiWomenCamp - who already got a daugther - The AdaCamp) I don't know who should. The fact you like her or not is irrelevant. (Will you remove Sarah or Sue based on that?) _ *Béria Lima* * Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 10:52, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote: On 8 May 2012 14:42, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation. Did you already invite Laura? _ *Béria Lima* I'd suggest that Laura is possibly not a good moderator candidate given her extremely strong viewpoint; I'd be concerned she would moderate posts, for example, on the basis they came from a man, rather than on behavioural merits - or at least that this would influence her moderator actions. Indeed, her earlier posts on this thread IMO serve as an example of divisive material/rants that would need moderator attention. Tom ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
Okay. Why DOESN'T Sarah deserve your respect? From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: Obviously not from me, or we would not having this talk. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 16:02, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: Sarah has earned respect. Please give it. From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.ptwrote: And who will make me Emily? How old are we that we need to have people sitting on the corner? And authority and respect is not something that is there for miracle, you need to earn it. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 12:46, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: You know what, Beria? At the very least, you will have to respect Sarahs' authority. You're going to have the respect the authority of every moderator, male, female, or other, and respect the right of *everyone* to participate on this list. From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.ptwrote: Well, people like her are the only one i will respect to moderate me. For obvious reasons, I will not accept any moderation coming from Sarah and I don't think that list should be dominated by a men. Btw, if someone do more for women than Laura, who had the very idea of a Woman's Camp (WikiWomenCamp - who already got a daugther - The AdaCamp) I don't know who should. The fact you like her or not is irrelevant. (Will you remove Sarah or Sue based on that?) _ *Béria Lima* * Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 10:52, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote: On 8 May 2012 14:42, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation. Did you already invite Laura? _ *Béria Lima* I'd suggest that Laura is possibly not a good moderator candidate given her extremely strong viewpoint; I'd be concerned she would moderate posts, for example, on the basis they came from a man, rather than on behavioural merits - or at least that this would influence her moderator actions. Indeed, her earlier posts on this thread IMO serve as an example of divisive material/rants that would need moderator attention. Tom ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: Okay. Why DOESN'T Sarah deserve your respect? From, Emily I am not comfortable with Beria's stance either, but I don't know that confronting him on the list over it will help anything. We have personality conflicts on the list. The moderation should be independent of that and based on behavior not who likes or dislikes whom, I hope. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
Why do you write in capitals letters? _ *Béria Lima **Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 16:19, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: Okay. Why DOESN'T Sarah deserve your respect? From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.ptwrote: Obviously not from me, or we would not having this talk. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 16:02, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: Sarah has earned respect. Please give it. From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.ptwrote: And who will make me Emily? How old are we that we need to have people sitting on the corner? And authority and respect is not something that is there for miracle, you need to earn it. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 12:46, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: You know what, Beria? At the very least, you will have to respect Sarahs' authority. You're going to have the respect the authority of every moderator, male, female, or other, and respect the right of *everyone* to participate on this list. From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.ptwrote: Well, people like her are the only one i will respect to moderate me. For obvious reasons, I will not accept any moderation coming from Sarah and I don't think that list should be dominated by a men. Btw, if someone do more for women than Laura, who had the very idea of a Woman's Camp (WikiWomenCamp - who already got a daugther - The AdaCamp) I don't know who should. The fact you like her or not is irrelevant. (Will you remove Sarah or Sue based on that?) _ *Béria Lima* * Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 10:52, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote: On 8 May 2012 14:42, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation. Did you already invite Laura? _ *Béria Lima* I'd suggest that Laura is possibly not a good moderator candidate given her extremely strong viewpoint; I'd be concerned she would moderate posts, for example, on the basis they came from a man, rather than on behavioural merits - or at least that this would influence her moderator actions. Indeed, her earlier posts on this thread IMO serve as an example of divisive material/rants that would need moderator attention. Tom ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
Nathan, I agree! From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: A debate over civility and cultural definitions of due respect could go on forever and become quite contentious... This seems like it would be a good opportunity for Kevin or another moderator to step in and kill this thread before it gets further out of hand. ~Nathan ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
George I'm a woman (a young lady if you're from UK)! There are no reason for you to address me with masculine pronouns ;) _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 16:27, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: Okay. Why DOESN'T Sarah deserve your respect? From, Emily I am not comfortable with Beria's stance either, but I don't know that confronting him on the list over it will help anything. We have personality conflicts on the list. The moderation should be independent of that and based on behavior not who likes or dislikes whom, I hope. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
Actually the debate was that we need a new moderator on the team, and I suggested Laura. All the other debates you can ask Emily about. ;) _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 8 May 2012 16:34, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: A debate over civility and cultural definitions of due respect could go on forever and become quite contentious... This seems like it would be a good opportunity for Kevin or another moderator to step in and kill this thread before it gets further out of hand. ~Nathan ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
/rants that would need moderator attention. Tom ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20120508/2e9b5b94/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:27:24 -0700 From: George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards Message-ID: cak__kzvczdgeewymtvvx+ej5ankuetuvg2hghjlf6jw3jbq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: Okay. Why DOESN'T Sarah deserve your respect? From, Emily I am not comfortable with Beria's stance either, but I don't know that confronting him on the list over it will help anything. We have personality conflicts on the list. The moderation should be independent of that and based on behavior not who likes or dislikes whom, I hope. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:34:01 -0400 From: Nathan nawr...@gmail.com To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards Message-ID: CALKX9dSzqptDMDwMOWt+hWaCf4fPyEzNnwZpt-4wF_f49wWB=a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 A debate over civility and cultural definitions of due respect could go on forever and become quite contentious... This seems like it would be a good opportunity for Kevin or another moderator to step in and kill this thread before it gets further out of hand. ~Nathan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20120508/47472dc4/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:34:48 -0500 From: Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards Message-ID: cadont8skgzugha8hgcdn4qgwv+4fr1frsd9qrawsi2kd4yo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Nathan, I agree! From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: A debate over civility and cultural definitions of due respect could go on forever and become quite contentious... This seems like it would be a good opportunity for Kevin or another moderator to step in and kill this thread before it gets further out of hand. ~Nathan ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20120508/60dd18d9/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:35:04 -0300 From: B?ria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards Message-ID: CAA2XHjA0mm6sLA3C3L2-w046USQ9iTFTE=9nlagg5rhbn1q...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 George I'm a woman (a young lady if you're from UK)! There are no reason for you to address me with masculine pronouns ;) _ *B?ria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: George I'm a woman (a young lady if you're from UK)! There are no reason for you to address me with masculine pronouns ;) I am extremely sorry. That had escaped my notice previously, no offense intended... -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Google Summer of Code sets a record regarding women's participation
Google just released their participation data regarding the upcoming Google Summer of Code (or winter of you are on the other side of the world :) ) The program set another record this year: the highest percentage yet of women accepted. 8.3% of our accepted students identified themselves as female, versus 7.1% percent last year. Overall the percentage of women accepted has slowly but surely increased every year since 2006. http://google-opensource.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/google-summer-of-code-2012-by-numbers.html Great news!! I'm curious how a more collaborative and mentor-based short-term project like Summer of Code could perhaps encourage higher participation in Wikipedia. One could say, Oh, we have that with the Global Education program, but, perhaps there is more to learn from Google's summer projects and the opportunity for intimate learning relationships from experienced coders. (Summer of Wiki!? :D ) -Sarah p.s. thank you Donna Benjamin from kattekrab.net for sharing the link. -- *Sarah Stierch* */Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow/* Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Google Summer of Code sets a record regarding women's participation
On 5/8/12 6:02 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: (Summer of Wiki!? :D ) And in response to my original post, another conversation is taking place on another mailing list about this and the struggle to entice southern hemisphere friends and folks to participate due to it being winter and in the middle of the school year for many. Something to think about, that's for sure. -Sarah -- *Sarah Stierch* */Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow/* Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
