Re: [Gendergap] Article for deletion Fanny Imlay
The argument for Savage was that an exception should be made for bibliographies, discographies, and so forth, where we would do better to provide complete coverage since it quite easy to do &something which can well be crowd-sourced, fits in with our basic mission, & is appropriate to do in conjunction with articles rather than as some sort of separate database. I opposed the Savage material as a separate article,& would still oppose it today, but I wouldn't now oppose having the material: I think the best way to do this is with subpages. On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:30 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: >>> Been there. Done that. It isn't only women's topics. Because Justin >>> Bieber is unpopular and actively disliked by some people, (Though I guess >>> you could argue this example relates to a topic of interest to many young >>> girls) there was an attempt to merge >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Bieber_on_Twitter in >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Bieber , with >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Justin_Bieber#Merger_proposal making it >>> clear the reason is "I don't like this." The article had about 100 sources >>> around the time the article was nominated for merge. Lady Gaga, the most >>> followed person on Twitter and woo hoo female to boot! has had other people >>> ask why the article isn't deleted. See >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lady_Gaga_on_Twitter#Request_for_deletion:_Is_this_page_really_relevant.3F >>> . I have another topic I wrote on where the regional women's stuff should be >>> generic to all women playing the sport or to the region. If neither article >>> currently exist, [[WP:SOFIXIT]] by creating the new and relevant articles. >>> >>> Information is power and what is on Wikipedia has the potential to shape >>> greater understanding around issues. Thus, a battle for what should and >>> should not be there. >> >> >> Wow, YMMV, but I think it's really odd to have whole long articles devoted >> to a Twitter account. What is and isn't broken out from "main topic" >> articles is often controversial, whether criticism sections or detailed >> information on specifically consequential periods, but an article on a >> Twitter account is an outlier in my reading experience. >> >> One of the arguments on the talk page for Fanny Imlay was that the sources >> cited included information about her only incidentally in the course of >> covering other people, as opposed to being primarily about her (presumably >> with the exception of the biography). I don't know enough about the subject >> or the sources to know if this is the case, but it's an argument that might >> apply to "Justin Bieber on Twitter." The articles discussing his Twitter >> usage are really about Justin Bieber and his behavior, not his Twitter >> account. See for example[1], a short mention in Ashton Kutcher's bio about >> his Twitter use. Kutcher is also among the most prominent users of that >> service in its history, but there is no article devoted to it. Rather than >> seeing the merge proposal as an example of "I don't like it," I think the >> fact that it failed demonstrates the power of a gigantic fanbase to distort >> normal practice on a wiki. > > > One of the problems I personally have with those articles is that it > stretches to definition of Wikipedia as a summary resource. If we aim to be > exhaustive, in the way those articles represent, where does it end? > > As Nathan says; this is a prime example of POV pushing/distortion. > > If I wrote a lengthy article about the details of messages Dudley Clarke > sent back and forth to John Bevan during World War II (and article I could > quite easily source) the community would, quite rightly, delete it. > > Tom > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Day 1 of WikiWomenCamp
On 23 May 2012 18:48, Laura Hale wrote: > Hi, > > WikiWomenCamp got underway today in Buenos Aires. :D We took a lot of > pictures and videos; when we get home, many of them will be shared on > Commons. We started around 10am with an opening circle led by our lovely > and wonderful facilitator Anne Goldenberg from Montreal. The conference > was facilitated using open space, so we started out with introductions and > why we were here. After the hour long happy introduction fest, we broke > into two groups. The first group discussed statistics for Wikipedia and how > to measure success. The other group involved a discussion about our > personal experiences editing Wikipedia as women and transgendered people. > In both session, an obvious theme emerged that there are many regional and > cultural issues that make doing global projects difficult because these > conditions have to be taken into consideration when doing a project. The > second time period became a single group that went into three session > periods. We discussed why women did not edit Wikipedia on a personal, > regional and global level. At the end of the day, we had a closing session > and one of the major themes of this was how motivated and encouraged we > felt about the situation going forward, that we could go back to our local > communities with a real concept of what the gender gap means both locally > and globally, and have the contacts to enact change. The Argentine > catering was also fantastic (yummy!) and it enabled us to continue our > seriously awesome conversations and all important networking. Tomorrow and > Friday, we're hoping to progress from a problem identification to a more > solution oriented form of thinking. > > > Session notes can be found at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp. > > > Sincerely, > Laura Hale > > - > Wonderful to hear that the participants are having such a successful session together. I think we will all envy them the delicious Argentine food! I will look forward to seeing the videos and reading more, although I know it will take some time for everyone to get home and digest. Risker/Anne ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Day 1 of WikiWomenCamp
Hi, WikiWomenCamp got underway today in Buenos Aires. :D We took a lot of pictures and videos; when we get home, many of them will be shared on Commons. We started around 10am with an opening circle led by our lovely and wonderful facilitator Anne Goldenberg from Montreal. The conference was facilitated using open space, so we started out with introductions and why we were here. After the hour long happy introduction fest, we broke into two groups. The first group discussed statistics for Wikipedia and how to measure success. The other group involved a discussion about our personal experiences editing Wikipedia as women and transgendered people. In both session, an obvious theme emerged that there are many regional and cultural issues that make doing global projects difficult because these conditions have to be taken into consideration when doing a project. The second time period became a single group that went into three session periods. We discussed why women did not edit Wikipedia on a personal, regional and global level. At the end of the day, we had a closing session and one of the major themes of this was how motivated and encouraged we felt about the situation going forward, that we could go back to our local communities with a real concept of what the gender gap means both locally and globally, and have the contacts to enact change. The Argentine catering was also fantastic (yummy!) and it enabled us to continue our seriously awesome conversations and all important networking. Tomorrow and Friday, we're hoping to progress from a problem identification to a more solution oriented form of thinking. Session notes can be found at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp . Sincerely, Laura Hale -- twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Wikipedia Academy 2012: Programme and Registration
(Appologies for cross posting) tl;dr: registration open, programme announced: scientific conference with focus on wikipedia research incl. diversity and gendergap. >From 29 June until 1 July 2012 the Wikipedia Academy (#wpac2012) [1] will take place in Berlin, under the theme “Research and Free Knowledge”. For the first time, Wikimedia Deutschland organises this conference in cooperation with Freie Universität Berlin [2] and the Humboldt Institute for Internet and Society [3]. This year, we lay the focus on research on, with and within Wikipedia and invite researchers who scientifically deal with Free Knowledge and its implications for research and society to participate in the conference. The Wikipedia Academy is aimed to address an international audience. The conference language is English. On Friday and Saturday the conference will be set at Freie Universität Berlin, School of Business & Economics, Garystrasse 21. The event venue for Sunday will be announced soon. == Registration == For participation you have to register for a participant pass in advance. The online registration (http://wikipedia-academy.de/2012/wiki/Registration) is open now. The participation fee is 60 Euro (reduced price: 30 Euro) [4]. == Programme == The conference programme is yet subject to alterations. A preliminary programme schedule can be found on the WPAC2012 website [5]. === Friday 29 June === Ahead of the conference, in the morning of Friday, we offer three workshops (tutorials) which will take place at the conference venue. The topics are Wikipedia Data Analysis for Researchers, Toolserver and GLAM Tools. You can register via the online registration form against an extra participation fee of 10 Euro. The conference will officially be launched on Friday around 01:30 PM with a keynote speech by Benjamin Mako Hill (researcher at MIT Media Lab and the MIT Sloan School of Management, fellow at Berkman Center for Internet and Society, Free Culture Activist and Advisor der Wikimedia Foundation) introducing to the conference theme Wikipedia and Research. In the afternoon, we will provide the opportunity to get to know a number of different research topics, projects, and ideas in an alternative format during a so-called Speed Geeking. Then, we will also have our first couple of Paper Sessions! Many international researchers have followed our Call for Papers. A list of all accepted submissions is available on our website. At the Paper Sessions the authors will present their scientific works on Wikipedia and Free Knowledge in 30-minute slots each. The first conference day will close with a panel talk on Wikipedia research and the Wikipedia Community. === Saturday 30 June === On Saturday we will host paper presentations in three blocks of one and a half hours each. Apart from that, we are planning a panel on science communication applying Wikis and Blogs. The Lightning Talks in the later afternoon will offer an additional opportunity to learn about the results of recent research projects and also about proposals for future projects. === Sunday 1 July === On Sunday the Wikipedia Academy will open up for a broader public and invite Wikipedia researchers as well as all those who are interested in the various facets of Wikipedia and related projects and those who are engaged in projects in the context of free culture, free licences, open data or free software. Following a keynote speech by Sarah Stierch (Community Fellow of the Wikimedia Foundation, consultant and expert for topics such as the gender gap and GLAM) on Wikipedia and Diversity, an extended Free Culture Brunch will allow for international and interdisciplinary exchange and cross-linking. Later on, Jeanette Hofmann (HIIG) und Sebastian Hauss (Universität Konstanz) will discuss topics such as the social aspects of Free Knowledge in a panel moderated by Matthias Spielkamp (irights.info). Around 03:00 PM the festive presentation of the Zedler Prize for Free Knowledge will round the Wikipedia Academy 2012 off. With this prize, Wikimedia Deutschland awards single persons, groups or projects for their outstanding performances in the field of Free Knowledge. All Academy participants are cordially invited to join this event. We look forward to our Guests with their various fields of research and scientific interests, stimulating talks and presentations as well as an active exchange of experiences and ideas at the Wikipedia Academy 2012. The WPAC2012 Team (acad...@wikimedia.de) will be happy to answer questions: Nicole Ebber, Angelika Adam, Maria Rößler and Denis Barthel [1] http://wikipedia-academy.de/2012/wiki/Main_Page [2] http://www.fu-berlin.de/ [3] http://hiig.de/ [4] http://wikipedia-academy.de/2012/wiki/Registration [5] http://wikipedia-academy.de/2012/wiki/Schedule -- Nicole Ebber Projektmanagerin Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | NEU: Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49 30 219158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Fre
