Re: [Gendergap] New York Magazine article summaries the gender gap issue in one conversation

[Siko Bouterse]

Agree with you, Fluffernutter and Anne.

Here are some other stories about the event that the interviewer missed, by
only focusing on one group's conversation:

A small handful of women and allies worked their butts off to make this
conference go well. Dorothy Howard brought every cool librarian in town,
Jennifer Baek made a great event space happen. The conference put a
friendly space policy front and center. Organizers made sure that gender
gap & LGBT topics were on the schedule. 3 of 4 keynote speakers were women,
including Sumana who began the conference with a focus on diversity and
inclusion.

Adding these because I believe it is worth highlighting each other's
efforts to make things suck less, while being clear that our gender gap and
New York Magazine both still suck.

Siko


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Risker  wrote:

>
>
>
> On 6 June 2014 16:56, Katherine Casey 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/love-and-drama-at-the-wikipedia-conference.html
>>
>> One quote, of many possible ones:
>>
>>> “We're really the typical demographic, actually,” says Alex Stinson,
>>> back on the leather couches.
>>>
>>> “White, male techies with college degrees,” agrees Kevin Rutherford.
>>> “Not you, though,” he says, squinting at a young woman who has silently
>>> joined the group, pale with dyed black hair and a skeptical, Daria-like
>>> 
>>> expression. “Are you a contributor?”
>>>
>>> “Yes,” she says, her eyes narrowing.
>>>
>>> “Do you have a college degree?” Kevin asks.
>>>
>>> “Yes,” she says, a bit harder.
>>>
>>> “So you're like, completely out there,” he says, flustered. “In that
>>> you're not like us, but you have a college degree,” he adds hastily. “I
>>> mean, you are like us, but you’re not.” He sputters on for a few
>>> minutes.
>>>
>>
>> I don't suppose anyone knows who the "daria-like" female editor was? I
>> think we collectively owe her an apology.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Oh dear. I agree with you Fluffernutter.
>
> Risker/Anne
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Re: [Gendergap] New York Magazine article summaries the gender gap issue in one conversation

[Kevin Gorman]

I feel hesitant to comment on the original situation quoted publicly,
because I know all three editors involved, but I do want to comment about
the conference in general: for me at least, it was a really good
experience, and laid the ground for a number of future collaborations where
multiple sets of people who happened to be in the same set of cities but
had not previously managed to connect with each other and who all have a
mutual interest in trying to deal with demographic gap related issues
through focused editathons and collaborations with GLAMs and academic
institutions had the opportunity to meet each other.  As a result of the
conference, we should be seeing some interesting collaborations at multiple
major institutions around things like our coverage of feminism, the gender
imbalances in biographies, and the complete lack of coverage in certain
fields in the next few months that wouldn't have happened without the
conference, and those are just the conversations I was involved in.  I
think it was probably the most demographically balanced Wikimedia related
conference I've attended (not that that's saying much...) and that for me
at least, it involved a lot of fun conversations with people I would
otherwise not have met in person that have now become productive online
friends (well - okay - I probably would've met most of the OPW interns in
person eventually since I do still live in the bay, but probably not for
months, or in a setting like that.)


Kevin Gorman


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Risker  wrote:

>
>
>
> On 6 June 2014 16:56, Katherine Casey 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/love-and-drama-at-the-wikipedia-conference.html
>>
>> One quote, of many possible ones:
>>
>>> “We're really the typical demographic, actually,” says Alex Stinson,
>>> back on the leather couches.
>>>
>>> “White, male techies with college degrees,” agrees Kevin Rutherford.
>>> “Not you, though,” he says, squinting at a young woman who has silently
>>> joined the group, pale with dyed black hair and a skeptical, Daria-like
>>> 
>>> expression. “Are you a contributor?”
>>>
>>> “Yes,” she says, her eyes narrowing.
>>>
>>> “Do you have a college degree?” Kevin asks.
>>>
>>> “Yes,” she says, a bit harder.
>>>
>>> “So you're like, completely out there,” he says, flustered. “In that
>>> you're not like us, but you have a college degree,” he adds hastily. “I
>>> mean, you are like us, but you’re not.” He sputters on for a few
>>> minutes.
>>>
>>
>> I don't suppose anyone knows who the "daria-like" female editor was? I
>> think we collectively owe her an apology.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Oh dear. I agree with you Fluffernutter.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
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Re: [Gendergap] New York Magazine article summaries the gender gap issue in one conversation

[Risker]

On 6 June 2014 16:56, Katherine Casey  wrote:

>
>
> http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/love-and-drama-at-the-wikipedia-conference.html
>
> One quote, of many possible ones:
>
>> “We're really the typical demographic, actually,” says Alex Stinson, back
>> on the leather couches.
>>
>> “White, male techies with college degrees,” agrees Kevin Rutherford. “Not
>> you, though,” he says, squinting at a young woman who has silently joined
>> the group, pale with dyed black hair and a skeptical, Daria-like
>> 
>> expression. “Are you a contributor?”
>>
>> “Yes,” she says, her eyes narrowing.
>>
>> “Do you have a college degree?” Kevin asks.
>>
>> “Yes,” she says, a bit harder.
>>
>> “So you're like, completely out there,” he says, flustered. “In that
>> you're not like us, but you have a college degree,” he adds hastily. “I
>> mean, you are like us, but you’re not.” He sputters on for a few minutes.
>>
>
> I don't suppose anyone knows who the "daria-like" female editor was? I
> think we collectively owe her an apology.
>
>
>

Oh dear. I agree with you Fluffernutter.

Risker/Anne
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[Gendergap] New York Magazine article summaries the gender gap issue in one conversation

[Katherine Casey]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/love-and-drama-at-the-wikipedia-conference.html

One quote, of many possible ones:

> “We're really the typical demographic, actually,” says Alex Stinson, back
> on the leather couches.
>
> “White, male techies with college degrees,” agrees Kevin Rutherford. “Not
> you, though,” he says, squinting at a young woman who has silently joined
> the group, pale with dyed black hair and a skeptical, Daria-like
> 
> expression. “Are you a contributor?”
>
> “Yes,” she says, her eyes narrowing.
>
> “Do you have a college degree?” Kevin asks.
>
> “Yes,” she says, a bit harder.
>
> “So you're like, completely out there,” he says, flustered. “In that
> you're not like us, but you have a college degree,” he adds hastily. “I
> mean, you are like us, but you’re not.” He sputters on for a few minutes.
>

I don't suppose anyone knows who the "daria-like" female editor was? I
think we collectively owe her an apology.

-Fluffernutter
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