Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)

2014-07-08 Thread Daniel and Elizabeth Case
The UK values freedom of speech but it is on a horizontal plane along with 
other rights and freedoms, NOT a vertical one with freedom of speech at the 
top. Hate speech not only gets you blocked in the UK, it gets you jailed, and 
quite rightly in my opinion. 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/twitter-trolls-isabella-sorley-and-john-nimmo-jailed-for-abusing-feminist-campaigner-caroline-criadoperez-9083829.html

And this is how this works in practice, with relevance to Wikipedia and the 
issues under discussion here obvious:
US: Tape of sports team owner in major market talking with his mistress is 
released in which he makes racist statements, where said owner has some history 
of making similar statements in the context of his other business interests, 
and the group against which the racist statements are made constitutes a 
disproportionately large share of the league’s players and fan base. League 
commissioner bans him for life from league events, including his own team’s 
games; he is later forced to sell team (albeit at market rate).
UK: Chief executive of major sports league whose games and teams are followed 
by a worldwide audience as it is widely considered to have some of the world’s 
best teams in that sport has emails disclosed in which he talks about women, 
including some identifiable ones in the office, in a sexist, crude and juvenile 
way. He is not punished in any way as the emails were supposed to have been 
private and the woman he talked about (whose continued employment, 
coincidentally, depends on his goodwill) said she didn’t mind.

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Re: [Gendergap] Adrienne Wadewitz featured in short piece about Gendergap on the English Wikipedia

2014-07-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
Never read the comments. Never .
On Jul 8, 2014 6:50 PM, Keilana keilanaw...@gmail.com wrote:

 If only, Tom. I would be shocked if that ever got removed.


 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

 That’s really cool.

 (Just don’t read the comments. Awful misogyny contained therein. Is
 there any way we can get that crap removed?)

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 - Original message -
 From: Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com
 To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
 gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: [Gendergap] Adrienne Wadewitz featured in short piece about
 Gendergap on the English Wikipedia
 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 12:54:55 +0200

 In case you missed it, the Signpost this week gives a link to this:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP8QCG7keQw
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