Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

[Carol Moore dc]

One can always just study the relevant articles.
But often it's a double standard in application of policies.
So if it's a guy architect with a couple low quality refs,
people won't even bother to notice or respond.
But if it's a woman architect with 7 or 8 solid ones,
it becomes a cause celebre to delete the article.
And none of that "give the women a chance to
beef it up" nonsense either.

It tends to be quite irrational and knee jerk.
I've seen the same thing on articles about writers,
professors, politicians, anyone with even a mild
POV that goes against the alleged mainstream.
Their articles sometimes are ruthlessly attacked
and nitpicked. But if you just put a tag for
better references (or any references at all!) on
 articles about individuals with an allegedly more
mainstream view who editors merely claim are
important in their field, you may get a lot of grief.

That's what systemic bias is all about it.


On 4/11/2015 5:55 PM, Rob wrote:
Can anyone point to where this "troll" behavior happened? There don't 
seem to be a lot of specifics in this article, and I'm wondering if 
it's gender trolls (which are, alas, plentiful) or a culture clash 
between old editors and new ones over unfamiliar policies?


On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Carol Moore dc 
mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net>> wrote:


On 4/10/2015 6:33 PM, Siko Bouterse wrote:

This is the grant proposal referenced at the end of that
article (currently under review as part of Inspire):

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/More_Female_Architects_on_Wikipedia

I remember NOT commenting on that one because I figured, who could
have a problem with that?

How soon we forget that getting MORE women articles and editors
was and remains controversial.

Banging head vs. wall


CM


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Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

[J Hayes]

t think they were referring to this deletion discussion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pia_Ednie-Brown

and this declined AfC
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennifer_Taylor_%28architect%29&oldid=650496415

the list shows a lot of positive work done


On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Rob  wrote:

> Can anyone point to where this "troll" behavior happened? There don't seem
> to be a lot of specifics in this article, and I'm wondering if it's gender
> trolls (which are, alas, plentiful) or a culture clash between old editors
> and new ones over unfamiliar policies?
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Carol Moore dc 
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/10/2015 6:33 PM, Siko Bouterse wrote:
>>
>>> This is the grant proposal referenced at the end of that article
>>> (currently under review as part of Inspire):
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/More_
>>> Female_Architects_on_Wikipedia
>>>
>>>  I remember NOT commenting on that one because I figured, who could have
>> a problem with that?
>>
>> How soon we forget that getting MORE women articles and editors was and
>> remains controversial.
>>
>> Banging head vs. wall
>>
>>
>> CM
>>
>>
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Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

[Rob]

Can anyone point to where this "troll" behavior happened? There don't seem
to be a lot of specifics in this article, and I'm wondering if it's gender
trolls (which are, alas, plentiful) or a culture clash between old editors
and new ones over unfamiliar policies?

On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Carol Moore dc 
wrote:

> On 4/10/2015 6:33 PM, Siko Bouterse wrote:
>
>> This is the grant proposal referenced at the end of that article
>> (currently under review as part of Inspire):
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/More_
>> Female_Architects_on_Wikipedia
>>
>>  I remember NOT commenting on that one because I figured, who could have
> a problem with that?
>
> How soon we forget that getting MORE women articles and editors was and
> remains controversial.
>
> Banging head vs. wall
>
>
> CM
>
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

[Carol Moore dc]

On 4/10/2015 6:33 PM, Siko Bouterse wrote:
This is the grant proposal referenced at the end of that article 
(currently under review as part of Inspire):

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/More_Female_Architects_on_Wikipedia

I remember NOT commenting on that one because I figured, who could have 
a problem with that?


How soon we forget that getting MORE women articles and editors was and 
remains controversial.


Banging head vs. wall


CM

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