Re: [Gendergap] Eligibility to vote in arbcom elections - and encouragement to do if you have not yet
the librarian who tweeted "cutural buzzsaw" also tweeted: "good luck with that. remember the buzzsaw. I personally won’t touch WP w/10ft pole." finding 300 librarians who would is the hard part. On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Pine W wrote: > I agree with Kevin on most points. However I would point out that WMF has > overruled community decisions on multiple occasions, and Jimbo also can > theoretically override Arbcom, so for better and for worse, Arbcom is not > always ENWP's binding authority. I am hopeful that, with the new > composition of the WMF board this year, we will continue to see an > improving relationship between WMF and the community. > > Please do participate and vote in the elections. > > Pine > On Oct 20, 2015 5:19 PM, "Kevin Gorman" wrote: > >> Hi all - >> >> I'll be circulating this to multiple lists, in part to ensure that >> everyone is aware of both the importance and ability of ENWP's >> arbitration committee, and in part to ensure that everyone who is >> eligible to vote is aware that they are eligible to vote, and aware >> that their votes are anonymous - and aware of how significantly they >> can count. Although oppose votes do carry more weight than neutral >> votes or support votes, in our last tranche of elections (which had a >> steep decline in voters from previous elections,) an arbitrator was >> elected with only 227 support votes, and a total of only 593 votes >> cast in relation to that arb in general. >> >> The arbitration committee has, for all practical purposes, binding >> decision making ability on all matter that come before the English >> Wikipedia. For members of that committee to have been elected on the >> basis of only 227 support votes seems (sorry to the arb in question >> for using him as an example) absolutely bizarre to me. The >> arbitration committee is the body ultimately responsible for ensuring >> the health of ENWP's community, including on issues of gender, >> harrassment, and everything else. I'm not going to suggest who you >> vote for (especially because another three weeks of nominations are >> coming in,) but if you are concerned about the state of ENWP's >> community, please take the minimal time necessary to scrutinize >> candidate statements and cast your anonymous votes according to those >> candidates who you believe are most likely to represent your >> interests. >> >> In comparison with the 227 positive votes and the 593 total votes that >> an arbitrator was actually elected with last year, this list alone has >> over 400 members, most of whom are eligible to vote in arbcom >> elections. Again, I'll be circulating this (or a very similar >> message) around to multiple other lists, and won't be making direct >> suggestions or endorsements of candidates on-list, although I may >> compile a voter candidate guide on-wiki when all nominations are in. >> >> If you meet the fairly minimal requirements to ote, please take the >> fairly minimal time out of your day once elections start to cast your >> anonymous votes in favor of the candidates who best supports your >> interests and the interests of the community - and I know that even on >> this list, there are certainly people who will disagree with me about >> what candidates will be represent the interests of the community, and >> am totally fine with that - vote how you want to vote. But vote! >> ENWP's final ruling body shouldn't be determined by a small fraction >> of eligible voters who will all be effected by the decisions our next >> arbcom makes: >> >> These are literally the only requirements to vote in the English >> Arbcom's upcoming elections: >> "(i) has registered an account before 28 October 2015 >> (ii) has made at least 150 mainspace edits before 1 November 2015 >> and,(iii) is not blocked from the English Wikipedia at the time of >> their vote. >> (iii) is not blocked from the English Wikipedia at the time of their >> vote." >> >> If you meet those requirements, please consider the candidates and >> their position statements and their answers to questions, and vote for >> whatever candidates best think represent how you would like the future >> of ENWP's community to be. >> >> Best, >> Kevin Gorman >> >> ___ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Atlantic article..."How Wikipedia is Hostile toWomen"
>(Minor quibbles: Eric is not an admin, and the New York Times piece was not
>written by a NYT reporter. Corrections possible?)
I would also that the “lists” referred to were in fact the category pages, a
distinction that I allow may be lost outside of the project but means something
to us (That whole thing could easily have been avoided with a sterner reminder
to use the {{distinguished subcategory}} template in the process of sorting. My
$0.02).
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Re: [Gendergap] Atlantic article..."How Wikipedia is Hostile to Women"
feel free to correct about Clara H. Hasse not Nellie A. Brown, and there were a handful of women contributors at EB1911 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Agnes_Mary_Clerke https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Contributors On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote: > Some journos take corrections easily, and some don't. I've had people > directly misquote me at major outlets where I had the call on record > (with their consent, since CA is a 2 party consent state for recording > calls,) and refuse to make corrections, and had other people accept my > corrections at face value and put them in to place. I may not have > time to do so today, but would encourage anyone interested (probably > better if it's only a person or two and not a horde in this case) to > contact the author of the Atlantic piece about the issues. Probably > those directly interviewed by the journalist would be the best > candidates to put in for a correction. > > Best, > Kevin Gorman > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > Good that this story has been told, at last. Overdue. > > > > (Minor quibbles: Eric is not an admin, and the New York Times piece was > not > > written by a NYT reporter. Corrections possible?) > > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote: > >> > >> Thanks for sending this out Carol, you beat me by about two minutes. > >> I would hugely encourage everyone to read this, and a lot of it also > >> relates to why it's important that people vote in arbcom election, and > >> we don't have arbitrators elected with 273 support votes and fewer > >> than 600 total votes... > >> > >> Best, > >> Kevin Gorman > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Carol Moore dc > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/how-wikipedia-is-hostile-to-women/411619/ > >> > > >> > Goes into lots of details... > >> > > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > Gendergap mailing list > >> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, > please > >> > visit: > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >> > >> ___ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > >> visit: > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > > > ___ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > > visit: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Atlantic article..."How Wikipedia is Hostile to Women"
Some journos take corrections easily, and some don't. I've had people directly misquote me at major outlets where I had the call on record (with their consent, since CA is a 2 party consent state for recording calls,) and refuse to make corrections, and had other people accept my corrections at face value and put them in to place. I may not have time to do so today, but would encourage anyone interested (probably better if it's only a person or two and not a horde in this case) to contact the author of the Atlantic piece about the issues. Probably those directly interviewed by the journalist would be the best candidates to put in for a correction. Best, Kevin Gorman On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Good that this story has been told, at last. Overdue. > > (Minor quibbles: Eric is not an admin, and the New York Times piece was not > written by a NYT reporter. Corrections possible?) > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote: >> >> Thanks for sending this out Carol, you beat me by about two minutes. >> I would hugely encourage everyone to read this, and a lot of it also >> relates to why it's important that people vote in arbcom election, and >> we don't have arbitrators elected with 273 support votes and fewer >> than 600 total votes... >> >> Best, >> Kevin Gorman >> >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Carol Moore dc >> wrote: >> > >> > http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/how-wikipedia-is-hostile-to-women/411619/ >> > >> > Goes into lots of details... >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Gendergap mailing list >> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> > visit: >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> ___ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Atlantic article..."How Wikipedia is Hostile to Women"
On 21 October 2015 at 21:00, Carol Moore dc wrote: > http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/how-wikipedia-is-hostile-to-women/411619/ > > Goes into lots of details... It is a readable summary. At the end, I felt a wash of overwhelming sadness. We've been talking, talking, talking about GenderGap and improving diversity for so many years, it's really depressing to reflect on it. The most tangible outcome seems to be that those that stick their heads out too often get banned or brutally cyberbullied. I wish we could pull the plug and start again. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Atlantic article..."How Wikipedia is Hostile to Women"
Good that this story has been told, at last. Overdue. (Minor quibbles: Eric is not an admin, and the New York Times piece was not written by a NYT reporter. Corrections possible?) On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote: > Thanks for sending this out Carol, you beat me by about two minutes. > I would hugely encourage everyone to read this, and a lot of it also > relates to why it's important that people vote in arbcom election, and > we don't have arbitrators elected with 273 support votes and fewer > than 600 total votes... > > Best, > Kevin Gorman > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Carol Moore dc > wrote: > > > http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/how-wikipedia-is-hostile-to-women/411619/ > > > > Goes into lots of details... > > > > > > ___ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > > visit: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Atlantic article..."How Wikipedia is Hostile to Women"
Thanks for sending this out Carol, you beat me by about two minutes. I would hugely encourage everyone to read this, and a lot of it also relates to why it's important that people vote in arbcom election, and we don't have arbitrators elected with 273 support votes and fewer than 600 total votes... Best, Kevin Gorman On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Carol Moore dc wrote: > http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/how-wikipedia-is-hostile-to-women/411619/ > > Goes into lots of details... > > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Atlantic article..."How Wikipedia is Hostile to Women"
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/how-wikipedia-is-hostile-to-women/411619/ Goes into lots of details... ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
