Re: [Gendergap] "A Call to Men UK " manhood workshops
sorry i'm not interested in interacting with arbcom or susa i can only report that people went down those paths and are dissatisfied with the response it is impacting any further edits from them it is impacting interactions with a certain library and their employees. it is important for the community and WMF to understand the negative reputation is widespread, and will impact future editing. On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Pine W wrote: > At a minimum I would expect SuSa and/or Arbcom to conduct some meaningful > investigation if there was an allegation of a functionary's > trustworthiness. Perhaps (and I'm only speculating here) Arbcom and SuSa > were unable to find enough hard evidence to support the allegation which is > why nothing was done. I would suggest taking this matter up with Susa and > Arbcom directly; perhaps they will be able to explain what they did (if > anything) and what their findings were (if any). I'd understand if an > investigation was done but they couldn't find enough evidence to support a > revocation of functionary permissions; what would concern me more is if the > matter was brought to their attention and they didn't investigate it at all. > > Pine > > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 6:19 AM, J Hayes wrote: > >> nope - >> this was an incident at wikiconUSA 2015 >> apparently nothing done >> which has impacted the credibility of arbcom and susa >> (i was not witness, but i find the complainants credible) >> >> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:54 PM, Pine W wrote: >> >>> I'm unfamiliar with this situation, but if there's a functionary whose >>> off-wiki behavior calls into question of the appropriateness of his/her >>> continuing >>> to have access to PII, please do forward that information to SuSa, the >>> Ombudsman Committee, and/or (as applicable) the local arbitration committee >>> that would have the ability to investigate the situation. >>> >>> Pine >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:29 PM, J Hayes wrote: >>> yes, that functionary and his behavior on meta has chilled the participation of some librarian editors they are highly skeptical of wiki harrassment efforts as long as he is in a position to see personal identifying information. they do not trust check user to be done responsibly as well this is impacting our efforts to engage a GLAM institution. On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Neotarf wrote: > Speaking of dox and in-person events, a few months ago one of the > WP:BADSITES known for dox had a thread about attending a WMF > harassment workshop. So anyone who is not comfortable with a paper > trail, and would prefer face-to-face conversations with allies, could > actually find themselves face to face with their harassers instead. > >>> >>> ___ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] "A Call to Men UK " manhood workshops
At a minimum I would expect SuSa and/or Arbcom to conduct some meaningful investigation if there was an allegation of a functionary's trustworthiness. Perhaps (and I'm only speculating here) Arbcom and SuSa were unable to find enough hard evidence to support the allegation which is why nothing was done. I would suggest taking this matter up with Susa and Arbcom directly; perhaps they will be able to explain what they did (if anything) and what their findings were (if any). I'd understand if an investigation was done but they couldn't find enough evidence to support a revocation of functionary permissions; what would concern me more is if the matter was brought to their attention and they didn't investigate it at all. Pine On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 6:19 AM, J Hayes wrote: > nope - > this was an incident at wikiconUSA 2015 > apparently nothing done > which has impacted the credibility of arbcom and susa > (i was not witness, but i find the complainants credible) > > On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:54 PM, Pine W wrote: > >> I'm unfamiliar with this situation, but if there's a functionary whose >> off-wiki behavior calls into question of the appropriateness of his/her >> continuing >> to have access to PII, please do forward that information to SuSa, the >> Ombudsman Committee, and/or (as applicable) the local arbitration committee >> that would have the ability to investigate the situation. >> >> Pine >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:29 PM, J Hayes wrote: >> >>> yes, that functionary and his behavior on meta has chilled the >>> participation of some librarian editors >>> they are highly skeptical of wiki harrassment efforts as long as he is >>> in a position to see personal identifying information. >>> they do not trust check user to be done responsibly as well >>> >>> this is impacting our efforts to engage a GLAM institution. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Neotarf wrote: >>> Speaking of dox and in-person events, a few months ago one of the WP:BADSITES known for dox had a thread about attending a WMF harassment workshop. So anyone who is not comfortable with a paper trail, and would prefer face-to-face conversations with allies, could actually find themselves face to face with their harassers instead. >>> >> >> ___ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] "A Call to Men UK " manhood workshops
nope - this was an incident at wikiconUSA 2015 apparently nothing done which has impacted the credibility of arbcom and susa (i was not witness, but i find the complainants credible) On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:54 PM, Pine W wrote: > I'm unfamiliar with this situation, but if there's a functionary whose > off-wiki behavior calls into question of the appropriateness of his/her > continuing > to have access to PII, please do forward that information to SuSa, the > Ombudsman Committee, and/or (as applicable) the local arbitration committee > that would have the ability to investigate the situation. > > Pine > > > On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:29 PM, J Hayes wrote: > >> yes, that functionary and his behavior on meta has chilled the >> participation of some librarian editors >> they are highly skeptical of wiki harrassment efforts as long as he is in >> a position to see personal identifying information. >> they do not trust check user to be done responsibly as well >> >> this is impacting our efforts to engage a GLAM institution. >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Neotarf wrote: >> >>> Speaking of dox and in-person events, a few months ago one of the >>> WP:BADSITES known for dox had a thread about attending a WMF >>> harassment workshop. So anyone who is not comfortable with a paper >>> trail, and would prefer face-to-face conversations with allies, could >>> actually find themselves face to face with their harassers instead. >>> >> > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
