Re: [Gendergap] LGBT mailing list
The GenderGap list is about the gender gap - the gap in representation, involvement, participation, and acceptance of women on Wikipedia. We are concerned about it because of its impact on the encyclopaedia and on some people working in good faith on it. The sexual orientation and indeed, the sex life of those women and men is irrelevant. Individuals who are concerned to remedy the gender gap for the sake of the encyclopaedia might be male (gay or straight) or female (gay or straight) or anything else for that matter. To repeat, this gender gap list is about the gender gap. It is not about sub groups or sexual identification. It is about accessing the knowledge and talents of 50% of the population. It is about PEOPLE working together on a project and a problem with that project irrespective of who they choose or decline to have as sexual partners. So it is good that there will be a separate list specifically for discussions of L, G, B,T, I, Q etc. I think we should ignore sexual orientation on THIS one as it is irrelevant for addressing the the lack of female participation in Wikmedia projects. Otherwise I want a list for people who identify as celibate. Thanks for reading, Whiteghost.ink ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] positive action Re: Nastiness
I agree that notoriety, as opposed to notability, is not a good precedent for Wikipedia, whether the subject is man or woman. Gillian On 13 June 2012 23:11, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: I've had a look at the article, and I can't believe that this hasn't yet undergone AfD. As it says on the talk page, being a feminist and having a blog and youtube channel doesn't make one notable. There are no reliable sources in the article which discuss Sarkeesian in-depth -- there is an interview on a blog, but this can't be used to base notability on. As it stands now, Anita (who is hardly notable) had the misfortune to meet some trolls on the internet (welcome to Internet peoples), and now she is basically notable, because her un-notable Wikipedia biography was trolled with a pr0n imagem, and someone reported on it. Anyone wishing to get their bio onto WP should use this case as an example of how to go about it. The article should be at AfD, because as it stands now, it is everything that WP is not. Russavia On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I've taken a look at the history and have identified BLP violations going back to October 2011; as such, I've extended the existing semi-protection for a full year. Some extensive cleanup has already taken place, as well as some useful article expansion. Risker/Anne On 13 June 2012 02:04, koltzenb...@w4w.net wrote: Hi Gillian, thank you for this information do you have any suggesting as a positive action that members of this list might take, in this case as well as generally? open for suggestions, Claudia On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:33:38 +1000, Gillian White wrote Hi All, The Community is aware of this and is discussing it. However, it's worthwhile bringing to the attention of this list that one woman's efforts at studying gender stereotyping (reported in The New Statesman http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/internet/2012/06/dear-internet- why-you-cant-have-anything-nice) have resulted in massive and nasty vandalism of Anita Sarkeesian's page on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Sarkeesian. Gillian thanks cheers, Claudia koltzenb...@w4w.net ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] So what have you been working on lately article wise as a woman or about women?
This is a great thread and it's wonderful to see the wide range of contributions people have been making. For me, it's a busy time regarding real-life work but when I can, I have been working on the biography of one of my favourite late nineteenth century women, about whom, I was surprised to discover, there is no article. I like her because she was so gutsy, and also she made a substantial contribution to women's suffrage. I hope to be responsible for her appearance on WP soon, and then I will feel as if I have fulfilled a kind of obligation to her. (That's a motivation, of sorts.) On another topic, this year is the 20th anniversary of the ordination of women to the priesthood in Australia. It was a very big struggle. So there is much to be done on the related articles. I haven't got very far, but as a start, there is a reference now on the article about Charlotte Perkins Gilman's story The Yellow Wallpaperhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yellow_Wallpaperwhich was used as a reference and metaphor by Archbishop Peter Carnley http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Carnley when he ordained those first women priests. As you can see, I am interested in history in and also in women's history and filling in some of the gaps in WP. On the subject of gender-related research, a fun topic that was a recent DYK is the 1907 Sydney bathing costume protestshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1907_Sydney_bathing_costume_protests. While I was working on finding and reading the sources for this, it occurred to me that if the roles had been reversed - that is to say, if it had been women protesting in public about dress regulations (as opposed to the men who are the subject of this article), I bet the women would not have been able to have proposed dress rules so speedily dumped as the men did. After some research, this hypothesis could make a good academic history paper, although I shall not be taking it on. Back to the books - Gillian On 6 June 2012 05:27, Cynthia Ashley-Nelson cindam...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Anne/Risker. I've gone ahead and thrown my hat in the ring for the Grants Advisory Committee. My background includes expertise with both applying for and approving grants. In my work with nonprofit corporations, I have been responsible for assessing programmatic needs; researching and applying for grants, including the State's Community Development Block Grant; distributing funds; ensuring compliance with regulations; setting measurable goals and maintaining accurate records, and remaining accountable to the individuals and organizations that provided the funding. In my work with community foundations, I have been responsible for establishing the funding process, guidelines, and timetable; setting criteria for eligibility; reviewing and approving or denying applications; and monitoring grant recipients to ensure compliance with programmatic goals and requirements stipulated in the grant. My work with state government included serving as a Mental Health Commissioner and member of the Mental Health Planning and Advisory Council. It was our responsibility to serve as advisors to establish the State and Division Strategic Plan, assess public and program needs within the state and the Health and Human Services Division, then apply for the Federal Community Development Block Grant. I was personally responsible for compiling all data provided by other council members, then writing the grant. Once the CDBG was approved, allocation was administered by the State. Local governments and communities applied for grant allocation from the CDBG to carry out community development activities. The Advisory Council developed funding priorities and established criteria for approving grant recipients. When grant applications were received, we reviewed the applications and recommended funding allocation based on local government programs and their alignment with the State and Division Strategic Plan and legislative budget. Our recommendations were received by the Division Secretary (head of the division), the governor's policy council, and the governor. In recognition of my work as Mental Health Commissioner, member of the Mental Health Planning and Advisory Council, Transformation Work Group, and the Program and Planning Subcommittee, I was publicly honored by Governor Christine Gregoire for Outstanding Service to the State of Washington. I'm not sure that I'm one of the better known individuals applying for the GAC, but I believe that my professional background will be an asset to the committee. We'll see what happens. Cindy On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.netwrote: One thing people can do is get on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/** Wikipedia:WikiProject_**Feminism/Article_alertshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Feminism/Article_alerts List for articles being deleted, RfC'd etc.
Re: [Gendergap] Crowdsourcing better women's imagery (was Re: Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia)
I like Sarah's idea. Could help a lot. Gillian On 7 May 2012 04:03, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/6/12 1:54 PM, Caroline Becker wrote: Can we please focus on the idea and facts instead of (in)appropriate tones ? I think that trying a professional Wiki Loves Women before even trying to do it as a crownfounded, volunteer project is, as least, strange. It makes me sad, as a volunteer photographer, to be forgotten or taken for nothing. Hi Caroline. I apologize if the idea (which has barely been fleshed out - it was just a bunch of folks tossing ideas around one day and that one came out and hasn't been touched since, even the title isn't anything official, I just was touching on the crowd sourced idea of say WLM) sounded like we'd be paying people to take photographs, that is not what I intended. I think having quality equipment and being able to support people with what they need financially to make these images happen would be great - whether it's purchasing or renting props, renting a studio space, supporting a chapter to acquire a camera or quality film equipment, etc. I like to think that everyone, like Wiki Loves Monuments, who participates would be volunteers. I am also a volunteer photographer for Commons. I know what type of equipment (whether it's Photoshop or open source applications, decent cameras, film equipment, lighting, etc) that it takes to bring high quality content that is desperately needed for Commons. I think having high quality images taken by participants (whether professional or hobbyist) would make a really impressive impact on article quality! I also think it'd be able to serve as a cool way to encourage professional and hobbyist photographers to participate who might be more interested in taking images of people rather than things (not every photographer likes to take pictures of buildings!). Many photographers have no clue Commons exists, and this could be another interesting way of getting folks involved. Again, this is nothing that I have solidified or set in stone or even thought about since it was discussed last year. I just think it'd be cool to see something that involves community (and not necessarily relies on WMF grants) within and outside Wikimedia to help fix some of the visual problems we have. Love that project idea you just shared! -Sarah I'd like to know what can be done, what has already be tried, what worked and didn't work. If projects like http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sarahdarkmagic/prismatic-art-collection?ref=live has many backers from this list. In one word, to focus on projects and actions. Caroline -- *Sarah Stierch* *Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow* Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate todayhttps://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] woot woot: Gendergap on women's soccer/association football being worked on :D
Congratulations! You certainly are making an impact - we are starting to see lots of women running onto the Wikipedia field! Whiteghost.ink On 27 April 2012 09:00, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: Since mid-April, we've gone from http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/b/bb/20120419222113!FIFA_national_women%27s_football_teams_by_class.pnghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/b/bb/20120419222113%21FIFA_national_women%27s_football_teams_by_class.pngto http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/FIFA_national_women%27s_football_teams_by_class.pngin terms of having articles about women's national football teams. A few of these have been mentioned on DYK. Still working on fixing all the brown. On the it makes me really, really happy note: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritius_women%27s_national_football_teamis the first Good Article about a women's football team at the moment. The only one close is Germany, which now stands as featured. Related, looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FIFA_national_football_teams_by_class.png, there are now as many or MORE b class and GA class articles about national women's football teams on English Wikipedia as there are about men's national teams. The African focus is also really cool because women in Africa (and Asia and South America) are often hugely under-represented on English Wikipedia, with few editors working in this space. -- mobile: 0412183663 twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] World Naked Gardening Day
I agree with what Thomas said in his explanation for removing the image and also with what Carol said on the Discussion page - why doesn't someone go out into their garden naked with a trowel and have their picture taken enjoying doing the gardening - something with a better balance between plants and flesh? [?] Hmmm. Perhaps a group from Wikiproject Biology or even Wikiproject Earth Sciences could offer their services. I thought of doing it myself (this new idea of naked gardening has some appeal) but by the time the idea came to me, alas, darkness had fallen and there was no article World Naked Gardening Day Night. Whiteghost.ink On 8 April 2012 05:13, Caroline Becker carobecke...@gmail.com wrote: The image was not of someone gardening naked. It was a sexy picture of a very attractive young woman. Just imagine the same picture with the woman fully clothed and ask yourself if this picture would illustrate a general article about gardening. If I had to take a picture to illustrate naked gardening, I would have ask the model to bend her knees (because it is much more confortable) and I would have taken the picture from the opposite angle, with a focus one her hands which is actually the part of her body she uses to garden (or maybe there is a way to garden with one's vulva my grandparents never teached me of). If you're still no convinced, just compare with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_hiking : people on the picture are hiking, not sexy posing while pretending to hike. Caroline 2012/4/7 Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.net On 4/7/2012 10:35 AM, Bob Sponge wrote: welcome to censorpedia we fight probalbly sexism with our own middle-age-view on the world and oppress any non appreciated right for free expression than we told the critics idiots The photo is obviously more about a sexy and stimulating phyical stance taken by a naked female than about illustrating the article's point. Just like a picture emphasizing an erect penis would be. There's a difference between censorship and avoiding prurient WP:Undue. __**_ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/gendergaphttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap 35C.gif___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Thoughts on training and gender and training generally
On 6 April 2012 17:57, Gillian White whiteghost@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I have reformatted my comments about training so they are less a report and more of a guideline, added some additional material and posted it here http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Best_practices_in_training_adults The idea was to make it useful as a reference. Gillian [[Whiteghost.ink]] On 5 April 2012 01:46, Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: I was wondering if there is a web page I can link to with your comments for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop_for_Women I can link to the newsletter but it only mentions the workshop was all women. Thanks. PS Love the Roo and other photos! On 4/4/2012 10:58 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote: . I know Carol Moore has been gathering documentation about training [1] and I think this would be a good addition for that! Sarah [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] World Naked Gardening Day
Sorry to say... Right now, on the English Wikipedia main page did you know section, is World Naked Gardening Day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day You will note on the talkpage of the article there's been a vigorous debate about the choice of image used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Naked_Gardening_Day This morning (my time) the image was not there, with [[user:alan liefting]] working hard to argue against the photo that has now been placed at the top. I am dismayed on behalf of women and of gardeners too! I have come across [[User:Supernova Explosion]] before - he seems to use titillating captions and images to increase the hits to otherwise legitimate 'did you know' nominations and is now the user who has been arguing that this photo has consensus to be included while they wait for a better one to be found. Groan! I don't want to get involved in an edit-war about this case, but can anything be done about this case specifically? Is it the right approach to remove the image and to ask that the discussion about its appropriateness be delayed until at least after the DYK link is gone?? Whiteghost.ink ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Thoughts on training and gender and training generally
Hello all, Following on from recent WP editing workshops in Queensland (see* This Month in GLAM* http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/March_2012/Contents/Australia_and_New_Zealand_report), I wanted to write about it before I forgot. I am posting here because the workshop participants were women and leading the sessions brought to mind my earlier experience gained over many years of teaching and training adults. So here are some thoughts about training and gender, followed by some thoughts about training in general. I wrote this in case it helps anyone involved in training adults, especially women, who are not students in a formal educational environment. There are two bases for these comments – the first is that training is different from making a presentation (newbie trainers often fall into the trap of just talking as if to an audience); and the second is that women as trainees often have different needs (this was evident in the recent workshops). You can already see this is a long post. My apologies. Stop reading here if training is not something you will ever do. If there is a better place to put this, please let me know. I am happy to be (politely) advised where to go. :) *Context* The recent training days that Wittylama and I ran for newbies in outback Queensland consisted entirely of female participants (except for one man who joined in at the last minute after finding out what was happening). Ninety per cent of them were mature age and I think none had undertaken tertiary studies. Therefore, somewhat unexpectedly, these training days became activities that made their own tiny contribution to reducing the gender gap. In many ways, they were a case study for adult learning in general and female learning in particular. The sessions provided an opportunity to observe the trainees’ attitudes and reactions to editing WP. Some of those observations are here – in some cases they reinforce what has been previously noted about women and Wikipedia; in others, they refute it. *Technology* Contrary to what you might expect, the participants seemed unworried by the fact that this was a computer-mediated activity. No one seemed daunted by “the internet” or the information technology. They recognised and accepted it; thence it was simply a case of using it to get the intended results. *Perceptions of participation in WP* One of the interesting things was the reaction to our question: “what percentage of Wikipedia editors do you think are female?” The answer was revealing. They guessed it must be from 60% to 80%. The question was asked just after WP and its sister projects had been introduced – at a point when the effort, focus, level of detail and commitment needed to contribute effectively were becoming evident. My impression was that being a Wikipedian struck them as a quintessentially female activity: unpaid, detailed, ongoing, educational, done for the good of others. They seemed to recognise and identify with this constellation of requirements and were surprised, even a little sceptical, when we said that boys and men had done most of it. Personally, I think this insight can be interpreted in two different ways. On the one hand, these women acknowledged WP as worthwhile and something that they could do. On the other hand, they could see it as yet another call on their time, demanding effort that would likely go largely unvalued. The lesson for training is that the motivational factor needs to be explicit. That is, in the middle of learning something new, it helps to state some of the benefits that may seem to be invisible to learners at that moment: for example, that this is a way of sharing knowledge; that it is useful and many regard it as fun; that there is a community of willing helpers. Many of the trainees were librarians or local tourism office workers, so these are motivations to which they could relate. At this point, of course, we crossed our fingers and hoped that their “first contact” with the WP community (or even second or third contact) would not be with its combativeness. *Tip:* Remind trainees what they can get out of being a WP editor. *Women opt for training* It was not a complete surprise to me that the people who came to the training were women. Women like training, perhaps because they often think they do not yet know enough and need more skills. The result is that more women will volunteer for training and more men will contribute without it. For stereotypical support of this argument, consider the oft-quoted idea that men will only “read the manual” as a last resort. On this topic, I am amused to find that this article exists on the English WP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM *Tip*: Trainees seek competency, so training must work to deliver it. *Reluctance and timidity* We did notice that many in the group were reluctant to try editing publicly, that is, in front of the rest of the group. Many of the
Re: [Gendergap] Women's Rights in Wikinews
Yes. I am happy. Thanks, Laura. On 3 April 2012 11:31, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Gillian White whiteghost@gmail.comwrote: My first contribution to Wikinews is published today. Yay! Interesting to be in a whole new Wikiproject. And it is about a significant step for women. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/First_female_bishop_in_NSW_and_Canberra_consecrated Whiteghost.ink Congratulations. :) Very nice work. :) Seeing it on the front page is sweet. :) -- mobile: 0412183663 twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Photo accreditation for the Lesbian Spring in Toulouse (France)
Bravo Caroline, J'ai corrigé l'orthographe et la grammaire et a fait quelques petites modifications d'autres pour une meilleure lisibilité. Whiteghost.ink On 2 April 2012 09:12, Caroline Becker carobecke...@gmail.com wrote: I've written a Wikinews article about the first event : http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Lauch_of_the_15th_Lesbian_String_in_Toulouse,_France , but since I'm a Wikinews newbie I really need help from more experienced contributors. A checking of my English would also be really nice :) Caroline 2012/3/31 Caroline Becker carobecke...@gmail.com Hi everyone :) I'm very pleased to announce that I have a photo accreditation for the Lesbian Spring in Toulouse http://www.bagdam.org/printemps012.html (link in French), a month-long event celebrating Lesbian culture. The events are : - tonight, a meeting with Lesbian comic book authors - Friday 6th, a meeting with a biograph of Gertrude Steinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Stein - Friday 20th, a meeting with Ulrike Ottingerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrike_Ottinger with a screening of *Dorian Gray im Spiegel der Boulevardpresse* (Dorian Gray in the Mirror of the Yellow Press) - Saturday, 21rst, screening of two documentaries : one about general sexism and homophobia, the other one about Lesbian women in South Africa by Zanele Muholi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanele_Muholi - Sunday 22nd, screening of the first season of http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_V (link in Spanish) - Thursday 26th, meeting between deaf and hearing women, both in French and French Sign language - Friday 27th, premiere of a locally-made movie about expressing the lesbian desire - Saturday 28, screening of five short films and a lesbian market As you can see it's a pretty awesome festival :) I hope I'll bring looot of pictures and contacts :) Caroline ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] We can edit!
Always loved this image. Our history group used it at uni. Thanks Tom Gillian On 9 March 2012 11:52, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I love it. I want a poster! (But why not [[double brackets]]???) Phoebe On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: A delightfully remixed image for our use, thanks to Tom Morris :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:We_Can_Edit.jpg -Sarah -- Sarah Stierch Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow Support the sharing of free knowledge around the world: donate today ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: A Digital Dawn - online today to celebrate IWD
This is fantastic Already using it. Gillian On 8 March 2012 08:03, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Donna Benjamin do...@digitisethedawn.org Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:01 AM Subject: A Digital Dawn - online today to celebrate IWD To: digitisethedawn digitisethed...@gmail.com International Women's Day 2012 The Dawn is now available online. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/title/252 Thank you all so much for playing your part in making this happen. -- Digitise The Dawn The campaign to digitise Louisa Lawson's Journal for Australian Women http://digitisethedawn.org http://twitter.com/digitisethedawn ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list wikimediaa...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] V Day
Apart from Valentine's Day, today is [[V Day]] (global movement to end violence against women and girls). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-Day_%28movement%29 I tried to sort out the disambig page for V Day - it had a lot of repetition. Here is a link to an interview with [[Eve Ensler]] broadcast today. If you want to hear, listen soon as it will be taken down after a couple of weeks. I am assuming it can be heard overseas. Please let me know. http://www.abc.net.au/classic/content/2012/02/14/3429182.htm Whiteghost.ink ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] WikiProject Women's sport
If anyone wants to follow up the development of these ideas, a report is published on Outreach here: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/NEXT. Whiteghost.ink On 17 January 2012 06:58, Gillian White whiteghost@gmail.com wrote: No, I don't mind. I am not on the Cultural Partnerships list but have always had a big interest in culture. I think Laura is a leader of things to do with sport and she seems to know what is needed and be driving it along. Others could perhaps join in to make similar improvements to sport and sports history. Presumably, sporting organisations could assist WP, the way that some GLAM organisations now have, if their needs were worked out. I don't follow the progress of sports in WP but it seems that Laura is applying what has been learned in GLAM to a different field and her championing of it is producing results that could be built on. Whiteghost.ink On 17 January 2012 05:35, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like this conversation has moved beyond the concept of gender and into the question of sport versus GLAM. Whiteghost.ink and Laura, I'd like to forward/move this conversation to the Cultural Partnerships Mailing List, if you two don't mind? I think it's a pretty valuable conversation! -Sarah On 1/16/12 5:59 AM, Gillian White wrote: Well, yes, sport or GLAM? It is arguable. “That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet” as Juliet said. (Although it was in her interest to think that: her parents thought there was a great deal in a name). Nevertheless, here we are not talking about love. We are talking about sport and GLAMs in a big project. Articles on the Olympics (and I make no distinction between the Olympics, the Paralympics and women’s participation in either of them) are articles about élite athletes and the organisations designed to help them achieve that impressively high level are sporting organisations, not GLAMs. They are sports and should be categorised as such for the reasons I give below. WP is just a project and so what matters is what helps the project. There certainly are arguments to be made about what culture is, but the epistemological point about whether the Olympics and Olympians are sport or GLAM or both comes down to something quite pragmatic: what will help the project to achieve its purpose and what will help it achieve its objectives on the way to its grand vision? Those objectives are simply to write and maintain good articles. In the broad sociological sense, of course sport is culture too, in the sense that culture is a way of life and in the sense that *G*alleries, *L *ibraries,* A*rchives, *M*useums,* S*port, *H*istory, *E*ducation, *E*ntertainment, *P*olitics and *S*cience all are. So we could keep going and call it GLAMSHEEPS. However, as the scope of that would unmanageable, we would only have to start breaking it up again according to the needs of the project, the appropriate skill sets and what all the stakeholders accept. Projects need to control their scope. I understood that the organisations responsible for looking after things (the GLAMs), in spite of having similar skill sets as each other and similar missions to WP, had hitherto been unlikely to engage with us because of the perceived risk to the things they were looking after. So we needed to understand their needs and they needed to understand our possible contribution in order to fill gaps in the encyclopaedia's content - its articles. To do that we made them a special category. What holds the GLAMs together as a category is probably the skill sets, context and the mission - that’s probably the most important thing as we try to talk to them or set up partnerships. So, in this sense, seed banks such as the one here in New South Wales http://www.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/science/Horticultural_Research/nsw_seedbank/about_the_nsw_seedbankwould, somewhat surprisingly, be more of a GLAM than say, our Theatre or Opera Companies. At bottom, the articles are more important than the categorisation. However, the categorisation becomes important insofar as it assists the project to make sense to the people whose contributions and support we seek. It would not matter except for the effects on contributions and credibility. If we want contributions (of labour or money or images), we have to be credible and make sense to them. So if we went to the Art Gallery or the Historic Houses Trust or the National Trust or the National Library or the Natural History Museum, seeking some form of partnership with them and saying we were already working with the Olympic Movement, I daresay they would not easily accept that their organisations were similar. It would be better to say that we were working with known Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums. As you say, sport is intensively followed in Australia and it is easier to get popular and financial support
Re: [Gendergap] WikiProject Women's sport
. Whiteghost.ink On 16 January 2012 15:23, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Gillian White whiteghost@gmail.comwrote: This is great because it means that all the excellent work on the paralympics and paralympians can be moved to Sport where they belong. Paralympic articles and Paralympians are already under sport. :D It is fantastic that Australian Paralympians are covered under several Wikiprojects like Australia, Sport and the Paralympics. Articles about women’s sport are not primarily GLAM articles, they are sports articles, just as articles about women artists are primarily GLAM articles. Yes, articles about Australian Paralympians done as part of the HOPAU GLAM program, that are part of the biggest GLAM incentive contribution effort to date and in a country where culture identity is tied into sport are primarily GLAM articles, just like articles about female artists are primarily GLAM articles. Describing an article on [[Priya Cooper]] as a GLAM article, as we have been doing, is as confusing as it would be to describe the article on Bernini’s wonderful [[Apollo and Daphne (Bernini)]] as an article on the sport of archery. No, it is a GLAM article. Priya Cooper is a huge part of Australian sporting culture. The article was written as part of the HOPAU GLAM project. Images were donated by the Australian Paralympic Committee. The work was supported by the library called the National Sport Information Centre. :D Isn't it fantastic the opportunity this GLAM has presented to improve women's content related to Australia? And it isn't just an issue of improving sport content, but women's content and disability related content! :D So awesome! Priya Cooper was the first GA in the APC/NSIC/HOPAU GLAM effort. Hopefully, we have many more to come. It would be great to have a list of other GAs/FAs/DYKs/FLs featuring women that were done as part GLAM movement. So this sports portal means things can be made less confusing. The sport portal and sport Wikiproject have been around for a while. :) If you want to learn more about the GLAM project, http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/HOPAU it is there. The Wikiproject about Women's sport is completely independent of the Wikiproject. :) The obvious overlaps between women and sports (for example, individual sportswomen and women’s sport, such as individual paralympians or sporting competitions like the Olympics) are comparable to the obvious overlaps between GLAM and women (for example, women artists or exhibitions of their work). Now, with their primary category made clearer, it should all be more coherent. Good. The overlap between GLAM is obvious and coherent. It is fantastic that culturally important women are getting recognition on Wikipedia by having images donated by cultural institutions to support them, by having a GLAM support efforts to improve these articles, and by providing resources and access to resources to continue to support them. :D http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/HOPAU/W2G also provides a fantastic opportunity for women in Australia to work on this and gain access to opportunities they might not otherwise have. It is fantastic, and coherent. You should hear the passion from institutional stakeholders in our GLAM about this. :D There are opportunities for good GLAM articles when all three converge – GLAM, sport and women. Yes these are good opportunities when a GLAM project, http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/HOPAU , can converge to encourage the improvement of culturally important articles like Priya Cooper. :D Hopefully, we can get more GLAM opportunities to improve similar content. If you know any women Wikimedians in Australia, please encourage them to participate in http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/HOPAU/W2G because it would be fantastic to have women participate, to have women improve women's oriented content, and for them to have an opportunity to attend the London Paralympics to cover the games live… especially if they cover them with a focus on women competitors. -- twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] WikiProject Women's sport
No, I don't mind. I am not on the Cultural Partnerships list but have always had a big interest in culture. I think Laura is a leader of things to do with sport and she seems to know what is needed and be driving it along. Others could perhaps join in to make similar improvements to sport and sports history. Presumably, sporting organisations could assist WP, the way that some GLAM organisations now have, if their needs were worked out. I don't follow the progress of sports in WP but it seems that Laura is applying what has been learned in GLAM to a different field and her championing of it is producing results that could be built on. Whiteghost.ink On 17 January 2012 05:35, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like this conversation has moved beyond the concept of gender and into the question of sport versus GLAM. Whiteghost.ink and Laura, I'd like to forward/move this conversation to the Cultural Partnerships Mailing List, if you two don't mind? I think it's a pretty valuable conversation! -Sarah On 1/16/12 5:59 AM, Gillian White wrote: Well, yes, sport or GLAM? It is arguable. “That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet” as Juliet said. (Although it was in her interest to think that: her parents thought there was a great deal in a name). Nevertheless, here we are not talking about love. We are talking about sport and GLAMs in a big project. Articles on the Olympics (and I make no distinction between the Olympics, the Paralympics and women’s participation in either of them) are articles about élite athletes and the organisations designed to help them achieve that impressively high level are sporting organisations, not GLAMs. They are sports and should be categorised as such for the reasons I give below. WP is just a project and so what matters is what helps the project. There certainly are arguments to be made about what culture is, but the epistemological point about whether the Olympics and Olympians are sport or GLAM or both comes down to something quite pragmatic: what will help the project to achieve its purpose and what will help it achieve its objectives on the way to its grand vision? Those objectives are simply to write and maintain good articles. In the broad sociological sense, of course sport is culture too, in the sense that culture is a way of life and in the sense that *G*alleries, *L* ibraries,* A*rchives, *M*useums,* S*port, *H*istory, *E*ducation, *E*ntertainment, *P*olitics and *S*cience all are. So we could keep going and call it GLAMSHEEPS. However, as the scope of that would unmanageable, we would only have to start breaking it up again according to the needs of the project, the appropriate skill sets and what all the stakeholders accept. Projects need to control their scope. I understood that the organisations responsible for looking after things (the GLAMs), in spite of having similar skill sets as each other and similar missions to WP, had hitherto been unlikely to engage with us because of the perceived risk to the things they were looking after. So we needed to understand their needs and they needed to understand our possible contribution in order to fill gaps in the encyclopaedia's content - its articles. To do that we made them a special category. What holds the GLAMs together as a category is probably the skill sets, context and the mission - that’s probably the most important thing as we try to talk to them or set up partnerships. So, in this sense, seed banks such as the one here in New South Wales http://www.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/science/Horticultural_Research/nsw_seedbank/about_the_nsw_seedbankwould, somewhat surprisingly, be more of a GLAM than say, our Theatre or Opera Companies. At bottom, the articles are more important than the categorisation. However, the categorisation becomes important insofar as it assists the project to make sense to the people whose contributions and support we seek. It would not matter except for the effects on contributions and credibility. If we want contributions (of labour or money or images), we have to be credible and make sense to them. So if we went to the Art Gallery or the Historic Houses Trust or the National Trust or the National Library or the Natural History Museum, seeking some form of partnership with them and saying we were already working with the Olympic Movement, I daresay they would not easily accept that their organisations were similar. It would be better to say that we were working with known Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums. As you say, sport is intensively followed in Australia and it is easier to get popular and financial support for it than it is for the arts, or for “culture” in the narrower sense, and that is another reason for separating it out from the broad culture and paying attention to it, all the more reason to be careful that potential GLAM supporters do not feel
Re: [Gendergap] WikiProject Women's sport
This is great because it means that all the excellent work on the paralympics and paralympians can be moved to Sport where they belong. Articles about women’s sport are not primarily GLAM articles, they are sports articles, just as articles about women artists are primarily GLAM articles. Describing an article on [[Priya Cooper]] as a GLAM article, as we have been doing, is as confusing as it would be to describe the article on Bernini’s wonderful [[Apollo and Daphne (Bernini)]] as an article on the sport of archery. So this sports portal means things can be made less confusing. The obvious overlaps between women and sports (for example, individual sportswomen and women’s sport, such as individual paralympians or sporting competitions like the Olympics) are comparable to the obvious overlaps between GLAM and women (for example, women artists or exhibitions of their work). Now, with their primary category made clearer, it should all be more coherent. Good. There are opportunities for good GLAM articles when all three converge – GLAM, sport and women. For example, there is currently an exhibition on at the [[Museum of Sydney]] about surfing http://www.hht.net.au/whats_on/highlights/exhibitions/surf_city and there is an event coming up at the [[State Library of New South Wales]] about the history of cricket including the first women’s cricket team. http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/events/events_talks/events/out_of_the_vaults_the_first_xi.html http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/events/events_talks/events/out_of_the_vaults_the_first_xi.html Such exhibitions at libraries or galleries using archival or artistic material and highlighting women’s historical engagement in sport could contribute to good GLAM articles if someone had the time. I will myself try to resist, since there is already so much to do in GLAM and also in the GLAM/ women nexus in which I am interested. I am so far behind already in my own goals in this area, that scuttling about in the encyclopaedia, I feel like the [[White Rabbit]]: “...late, late for a very important date!” [[Whiteghost.ink]] On 15 January 2012 03:09, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, A few months ago Laura Hale founded WP:Women's sport on English Wikipedia.[1] While it's not an area I tend to work in, I've noticed it popping up on my radar with a French-English-Hebrew speaking editor named Genevieve2 who has been posting about it on WP:Feminism and WP:Women's History talk pages. Some of you might have interest in the project, right now Genevieve is trying to inspire folks to participate in writing an article and major women's sports in North America.[2] It might interest some of you, or perhaps inspire some of you to translate or write related articles in whatever language of your choice! And if you're in the mood to get a bit fiery or involved in conversation, a discussion about gender in articles (i.e. This is a men's football tournament, for the SuperBowl, for example) has been brought up on the talk page.[3] (It also appears to me that the people involved in the conversation are male, correct me if I'm wrong, of course!) Great work Laura at starting the project and Genevieve (who I don't believe is on this list, yet) for promoting collaboration amongst Wikipedians. It's been nice to see my cohorts from WP:Feminism jumping into handle some tough tasks of copy editing issues on some articles. -Sarah [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women%27s_sport [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Genevieve2/sandbox0001A [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women%27s_sport#Statement_of_gender -- *Sarah Stierch* *Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow* Support the sharing of free knowledge around the world: donate todayhttp://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=WMFJA085/en/USutm_source=WMdonateutm_medium=sidebarutm_campaign=20110130SB003language=enuselang=encountry=USreferrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwikimediafoundation.org%2Fwiki%2FHome ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] What Gender is Wikipedia?
Having been distracted by all things to do with the summer holidays - Christmas cooking, long-distance driving, the beach, the Test cricket - I am behind with all things WP, but would like to add, belatedly, that I for one appreciate the way Sarah finds articles that need attention. It is educative (one of the reasons I am here), interesting and useful (sometimes I can help fix them). Also would like to thank Anne for documenting so well the distinction between linguistic and biological/social gender. I am not a sociologist, but I suspect that efforts to draw social conclusions about contemporary biological/social gender relations based on data gleaned from linguistic conventions would be about as pointless, even if it was as appealing, as earlier efforts by phrenologists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenologyto determine personality types from head bumps. Whiteghost.ink On 31 December 2011 05:15, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 12/30/11 3:58 AM, Ms. Anne Frazer wrote: ...it's quite a mystery how the nouns are allocated a specific gender, and excuse this aside but I used to think on this and wonder why all the strong, positive, and creative words seemed to be assigned the grammatical masculine gender. I'll let my favorite satirist Valerie Solanas answer this one: Being an incomplete female, the male spends his life attempting to complete himself, to become female. He attempts to do this by constantly seeking out, fraternizing with and trying to live through and fuse with the female, and by claiming as his own all female characteristics—emotional strength and independence, forcefulness, dynamism, decisiveness, coolness, objectivity, vitality, intensity, depth of character, grooviness, etc.—and projecting onto women all male traits—vanity, frivolity, triviality, weakness, etc. Ryan Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] A nice mix - our edit-a-thon sure shook up the gender gap!
I concur with Lennart. Gillian On 20 December 2011 11:46, Carol Moore carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: Yes, it was a great event! Definitely a fun thing to do if you can get a critical mass of people. (Three in my book :-) Forced to leave my own narrow interest ghetto, I discovered a fascinating woman artist - Rachel Feinstein- who is her own kind of libertarian and feminist whose husband John Currin (who does satirical quasi porn art) had an article but she did not, even though they are considered a Power couple in NY art world. Almost finished and I hope to get it up by tomorrow night, holiday housework permitting. Also will add more info about her to his article, as well as some of his very supportive comments on feminism. Epicly yours! C.M. On 12/18/2011 12:00 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: Hi folks, I'm going to be a little selfish here, so pardon me. But, yesterday I coordinated a fine art themed edit-a-thon at our local downtown library, here in Washington, DC, followed by a meet-up at a local pub. I'm proud to say we had 13 people at the edit-a-thon, and six were women. The meetup? We had 16 people and 9 were women!! These numbers might seem small compared to larger events, but, to have an event like this, and have such a healthy mix, made me so happy. User:Aude, the President of Wikimedia DC joked I remember when it'd be just me and Mindspillage, as the only women, and we gushed about having such a healthy group of all genders at the event. I noticed, when saying goodbye to people, that I got a bit emotional - not only did we have a gender-mixed Wiki-event, but, we also actually wrote new articles and expanded articles - and anyone who attends an edit-a-thon knows - it's often chaos and just socializing, not actual editing. You can see our outcomes here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_26/To-do_list#OUTCOMES Which includes new articles or expanded articles about seven women artists!!! Obviously, I'm on a bit of a high from this, as I love outreach and coordinating things like this; I do believe the power of invitation helped with the success of this event. I don't use bots for invitations, and I do my best to individually reach out to people I hope you'll be there. I genuinely do believe that invitation is one of the strongest keys in making sure that events, participation, and programs succeed in regards to closing the gender gap. Thanks for letting me gush =) One event, for me, leads to one more woman feeling inspired to continue participating. It also shows that offline events make for such a rewarding experience - we get to come together, put our differences aside, and work together for the common cause of providing free knowledge to the world. One woman who came had never written a new article - and this was her first time - and she really was proud. That just made me so happy. I also got to meet Carol Moore, which was rather epic, I must say. :) -Sarah ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] A fun new project!
Nifty work, Kaldari and Sarah. Impressive! Gillian On 14 December 2011 11:45, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I've been fiddling with the article and content for Judy Chicago's *The Dinner Party* and as I've mentioned, I've wanted to clean up the list for the 999 mythical figures and women listed on the tiles underneath the table (called the *Heritage Floor*). I double checked the list (which was short) and Kaldari developed a really lovely table for it. Which we've both started to fill out a bit. Quoting from Kaldari on WP:Feminism talk page: There are 999 women in the table, so it's a lot of data to add. If you're more of a prose-writer than a table-filler, we could also use help making sure that all of the women have decent articles, or just articles period. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_in_the_Heritage_Floor Yay! We look forward to seeing the table fleshed out and the articles as well. Thanks for your interest, and please spread the word! Sarah User:SarahStierch en.wp ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] The Dinner Party
On 7 December 2011 14:58, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest, I have my doubts as to the value of creating fancy charts about the installation (and the women it names). There's more value in ensuring each has a quality article than there is in focusing on their representation in this one art piece. Gotta admit, thoughI remember seeing this in the early 1980s, and I came away thinking that women artists were just as obsessed with female genitalia as male artists. Risker/Anne I have put the two lists into three columns to improve readability and to reflect the arrangement of the art work but I agree with Risker - any detailed effort should go into the articles themselves. Gillian/Whiteghost.ink On 6 December 2011 15:58, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Yes please! I've yet to see it in person! :( Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :) On Dec 6, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com wrote: I've actually been in touch in the past with the Brooklyn Museum's tech guru Shelley about just this article, and possible collaboration on the 1,038 related women's biographies :) If you're not in touch with her already, of course I'd be glad to introduce you. Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos) On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: Hi folks, The article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dinner_Party - which is about the artwork by feminist artist and writer Judy Chicago, has some issues. The issues lie in the lists that cover all the women featured in the installation. I'm in the process of a research project about the piece and the controversy of the exhibition (...gotta get that master's) and I'm going to start rewriting Chicago's biography while on winter break. While I am very busy right now, I am seeking volunteers who might have interest in evaluating how the list of women on *Dinner Party* article can be better developed. Perhaps a separate page called Women represented in The Dinner Party or a chart that is placed on the artworks own page. But, as you can see, this list is rather poor and not the most pleasant on the eyes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dinner_Party#Women_represented_in_the_place_settings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dinner_Party#Women_represented_on_the_ceramic_floor_tiles I'd prefer people to take action, over just sharing ideas with me right now (sorry to be bossy, but, I trust *you!)*. So BE BOLD and let's make that list as wonderful and visually appealing as the artwork itself! Anyone who can lend a hand will receive the Archives of American Art Barnstar (since Judy Chicago is represented in the archives collection, where I served as Wikipedian in Residence)! Thank you gender-gap comrades, Sarah -- http://www.glamwiki.org Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Interesting article that can use some help - Fallen woman
You were right. It's a complicated topic and the article needed a lot of work. I rewrote it. It's not a stub class any more. Perhaps you could reassess it? -Gillian On 9 November 2011 04:26, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Stumbled across this while doing a bit of assessing for projects.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_woman Needs some work. Turns out it was originally redirected to prostitute. -Sarah -- http://www.glamwiki.org Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Catherine Hamlin
Dear All, Since [[Catherine Hamlin]] was invited to lunch by the Queen last week during her visit here, I thought her article ought to be improved. (Hamlin's, that is.) It and its companion, the [[Addis Ababa Fistula Hospital]] were a bit of a mess so I have separated them out and organised them, linking all the awards and hopefully explaining Hamlin's contributions better. I mentioned her before in an earlier email on this list but now I hope that readers can better see in these two articles why she is such an amazing person and such a heroine - someone IMHO of whom everyone on this list ought to be aware. This is a woman who is personally responsible for curing thousands of women who would otherwise be cast out and without hope. And she is still operating - still doing surgery in her mid-eighties and training others to follow on. In the cosmic scheme of things, had we we been born in a slightly different place or time, we might have been one of the women who needed help such as she provides. All her patients have an obstetric problem that we in the developed world do not have to worry about anymore as we solved it in the middle of the 20th century. It is completely preventable with good obstetric care and Hamlin has been giving that selflessly and expertly for 50 years. Here is someone making a real difference to women's lives and confronting problems far worse than name calling. My hat goes off to her ... Gillian ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] the state of civility on en.wiki
Apologies for the formatting - the machine stripped the breaks that would have made my post readable. G (I'm a workman blaming the tools ...) It should have looked like this: I’d like to agree with Daniel that “purgative rituals” should be added to the repertoire of ways to deal with these very difficult problems. In modern times, the label for this is behaviourally-based change or [[behaviour modification]] and it works better than exclusion or punitive strikes. As Daniel said, these methods remind people what the point of things is (things like other people and the society we all have to work in) and they provide a way forward. Exclusion, excommunication, imprisonment, whatever you call it in the real world, is like banning – it not only loses any contribution they can make but more importantly, gives time and space for anger and resentment to build and then burst out when the opportunity arises (in this case when the block expires). Dealing with graffiti is an examples of this in operation – punishing and ranting at them gives them the fame they seek, so what works best is painting it over quickly. In WP terms this is reverting but it doesn’t work for this level of incivility, I suggest this is because the motivation is power, not fame (or possibly power as well as fame). That brings us back to the “collaborative goal setting” that Daniel suggests. Perhaps some options chosen by the individual could be added to Daniel’s idea of editing – it could be any quantifiable, self-chosen contribution, including editing some other favourite topic or being a wikignome or wikifairy etc. Or, the person could work one-on-one with someone from an opposing point of view to reach consensus on another sort of article. These are productive responses, the goal of which should be to keep the person productively engaged and have them experience their work as valued. Other organisations have to deal with anti-social behaviour and perhaps we could learn from them. The excuse that they are “making such good contributions”, for example, has also confronted other industries/ organisations. Some groups use the money they pay for a service as an excuse for appalling behaviour. Examples include drunken football teams being destructive in aeroplanes (the airlines have had to ban some teams) or rock stars in hotels (making the behaviour public helps get pressure for change in these cases). It is very similar to customer complaints that every organisation has to deal with. When I worked on this for a big organisation, I found that the customer complaints process ranged across and touched on everything from the trivial to the criminal and the process needed to take account of that range. So adding this tool (i.e. working on the encyclopaedia in some other way before being banned) to the box should help. In intractable cases, banning will be the only solution, but for the middle range of people who once enjoyed contributing productively, being given a “cooling off” period in which they can return to that for a while might work. I am assuming that ArbCom is the most appropriate place for these kinds of resolutions to be handled because it is not likely to be feasible for every admin to hand out such injunctions, nor would they be enforceable. Does ArbCom consider that behavioural disputes are as worthy of arbitration as content disputes? If not, is there a reason? If they do consider such intractable (and apparently easily identifiable) cases as within their scope, can these approaches be introduced to their repertoire of sanctions? Thankfully, I have never had to deal with these types of people on WP, but if I did, it would chase me away. While I think the issue is broader than the gender one, they are inextricably related. Gillian User: Whiteghost.ink ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] the state of civility on en.wiki
On 27 October 2011 09:07, Daniel and Elizabeth Case danc...@frontiernet.net wrote: Ordinarily I would suggest that this thread is a little out of scope for this list, but given that Sarah's survey shows that what it touches on is a significant issue for some contributors who responded, I think it is for now relevant. I should begin by saying that I, personally, would group myself with her respondents who did *not* feel Wikipedia was a battleground, that it had not been for them. And given that I'm among the top 25 admins all-time in handing out blocks (see WP:ADMINSTATS), I suppose that is unusual (not really, though, when you consider how many of those blocks arose from anti-vandal work and username patrol). For me, civility works. I generally find Wikipedia to be more collegial than other websites, not less. That said, I'm aware that other Wikipedia exists. And I am not immune (One of the editors who made an incivil remark about Ryan's action, I had to publicly state a few months ago that I would be avoiding interactions with her on a particular topic because I just found her so maddeningly obtuse and unable to assume good faith that I could not remain civil in discussions with her about this topic; instead I have chosen to engage one of her close allies who hasn't forgotten how to assume good faith. Although that dispute has faded for now I still find it grimly satisfying to see that she is defending the editor in question here (whom I by the way have never had a personal issue with although I can see how others would). Years back, in my early days as an admin, I happened to be sifting through user-conduct RFCs when I came to one on a similarly problematic user. After reviewing some of the evidence and particularly the user's page, I submitted a highly critical outside view that drew about 12 signatures and a lot of supportive email from the various users bringing the dispute. As in this case, the user had at least two admins defending him (one of whom I completely avoid even to this day as she (yes, she) is the least pleasant and downright cattiest (and especially on this list, I do not use that word lightly) Wikipedian I know of, an opinion I know I'm not alone in, as she has a reputation among current and former ArbCom members for hanging out there and nitpicking their work). The talk page discussion grew very heated as you can expect since it was but the latest chapter in an ongoing narrative, tipped somewhat by this upstart outside view, and eventually the case reached ArbCom (the second time this user had been taken there). Some sanctions were ultimately imposed. The user in question is still editing, still doing productive work but more civilly IMO, and the last time we interacted he listed an article I had long tended for AfD. It was deleted, and I ultimately agreed with the reasoning (I will restore it if and when it becomes notable enough). No problems between us. Yet a few months later I decided to unblock a user (who has since been banned) who the other enabling admin (who has also since left ... some sort of pattern here?) had blocked out of (unbeknownst to me) enforcing some sanctions that had resulted from a particularly long and drawn-out ArbCom case related to a nationalistic dispute. There was only one hour left on the block, and I decided out of collegiality to let the other admin know I was making the unblock (since without knowing about the ArbCom case the block had seemed rather unjustified to me). His immediate response was ... not to reply to me but to take it to AN/I, where he accused me of doing this just to get back at him for the RFC, now months in the past. Huh? Like I had wanted to get back at him ... which was the furthest thing from my mind. It was the first time I'd been taken to AN/I for an administrative action, and eventually we all (at least all of us except the other admin) came to an understanding that I had been acting in good faith, and I said I would check in the future to see if ArbCom sanctions were involved (and now, as a matter of routine when reviewing unblock requests, I will not touch one where ArbCom sanctions are involved because those are just inevitably so complicated that those of us who do our admin work at the front as I like to call it, are very likely to not understand the full circumstances and any action is likely to look misguided ... conversely, though, the admins who *are* familiar with those cases are often seen as too involved or playing favorites). Agreeing all too well with Risker that civility blocks don't work (and apparently haven't in this case) not only because they make the editor in question madder but also his/her supporters, I do have a suggestion for how we might at least temper this. As we all say (especially those admins with Adminitis (WP:ADMINITIS)) we're here to edit an encyclopedia. I often find that the toxic users and their enablers
Re: [Gendergap] Nobel Peace Prize Winners
On the subject of female Nobel prize winners, I think it is worth spelling out the extra difficulties for women in science in the early years. So I have added a footnote to the article on [[Maria Goeppert-Mayer]]. Not sure if this is the right way to go about this but it seems to fit with what was already there in the article and I gave the reference. Gillian On 8 October 2011 06:26, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, It was brought up on WP:XX that it's worth monitoring the articles of the recent winners of the Nobel Peace Prize, which includes three women: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Johnson_Sirleaf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leymah_Gbowee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawakel_Karman Amazing people to learn about also if you're interested =) Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 9, Issue 5
It has been concerning me for a while reading this discussion that the accusations rest heavily on an expectation that everyone can and should master English (and even American English) as well as write the language in an acceptable tone. This is a huge ask. Getting the tone right demands a very high level of skill along with a deep knowledge of a culture. Regardless of what you think of Beria's points, it is very unfair to demand anyone from a non-English-speaking background to learn English and it is certainly counterproductive in a global project. I admire her for continuing to contribute but I watch with some trepidation as non-English speakers are encouraged to unsubscribe. Arnaud's voice was different too and it has now apparently gone. You might be amused by an example of how difficult getting the tone right can be - at Wikimania, someone on stage cheerily encouraged the audience to go out and kick ass. Hearing this, I thought of the poor donkeys, which, of course, is what asses are - *Equus africanus asinus - *as Wikipedia helpfully explains. I was taken aback. Why are we being encouraged to brutalise these poor animals? It's not only cruel, it's senseless and inappropriate. However, being a VERY experienced English speaker, and cross-referencing the body language against the phrase, I twigged. Aha! It's slang for something. :) But heaven help the non-English speakers in the audience. My point is that here you don't have the body-language to help and we do need other voices. Girls is one of the least of our problems. Similarly, women who don't want to be feminists are okay too. In the first wave, some women campaigned against getting the vote and in the second wave, we had to cope with Women who want to be Women. (It was a political party). We are a contrary bunch and the issues remain difficult. Gillian On 2 October 2011 16:26, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 21:27, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: ... (On the other hand, people on this list have a habit of using males to refer to men and women to refer to women. Flip side of the same coin, perhaps?). Interesting point, Nathan, that I hadn't noticed. But I have noticed the opposite on Wikipedia -- that women are often referred to as females, rather than women. It reads to my eyes as though a man is regarded as the default human position, and a female is another version. Sarah ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Mind the Gap Barnstar/Award - I need your help!
Hi Sarah, I love this idea and have always loved the phrase in its original use too. I've passed on the request. Gillian On 3 October 2011 12:17, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I recently mentioned the idea of the Mind the Gap barnstar/award. The term mind the gap is in reference to the warning set forth by the London underground to warn people to make sure they pay attention the space between the train door and the station platform (learn more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_the_gap). *Are you a designer? Or do you know a designer* who would be happy to volunteer their time to creating an award for Wikimedians who work hard to close the gap within Wikimedia through outreach, welcoming, standing up for others, writing about and maintaining women's articles or related images, and forth? Here is the original Mind the Gap logo...which I believe is under copyright?:http://www.earthpm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mind_the_gap.png Here is a cool feminist spin on it: http://londonstudentfeminists.blogspot.com/ Another fun piece of inspiration - the German women's movement logo of the 1970: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Womanpower_logo.svg I tried to develop something myself, but, my own skills are rather pathetic in regards to design. I will award you with a barnstar of your own and a beer if I ever meet you (or a beverage of your choice) - or the designer you recruit!! And of course fanatically praise the awesome-ness you or the designer are through Twitter, Wikipedia, mailing lists and beyond.. 3 THANK YOU for your consideration! -Sarah Stierch -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Weird lame body fashion whatever website of the day
I changed the image of a uniform example in the gallery of [[Neckline]] to one showing the V-neckline in use by both sexes (and without the confusing additional undershirt neckline). Hope that's more balanced, representative and clear. Gillian On 18 September 2011 06:28, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: Holy...what? I don't know how to respond. From, Emily On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.netwrote: By the way the Italian page shows porn model Aria Giovanni. On 17/09/2011 18:31, Sarah Stierch wrote: Neckline!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neckline The choices are really mediocre for the neckline women's section. One of the photos is titled Boobies.jpg. :P -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing listGendergap@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Delusions of Gender (or not)
I have been editing [[Cordelia Fine]] because her book *Delusions of Gender*is up for many awards. In case anyone is interested in the nature/nurture debate, Fine's book takes the nurture line (that is, men's and women's brains are different). She is obviously a talented, intelligent and successful author/academic but I note that the debate is undiminished even after the long time that I have been watching it. In the interests of balance, I also added a reference on the Fine article to a critique of the nurture view. The author of the critique is another talented, intelligent and successful author/academic who argues that the reason feminists like the behaviourist view is that anything else makes femaleness a disadvantage, out in the world beyond domesticity. The minute you allow difference - say, ''males are more driven'' - you make non-maleness second-rate. I'm pointing out this book, article and debate on this list in case anyone is interested in the arguments and current publications about it. As I said, the debate goes on and so does the research ... Gillian [[User:Whiteghost.ink]] ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Dominique Strauss Kahn article
I had a go at it, even though I am not as experienced an editor as would be ideal. Whiteghost.ink On 28 May 2011 17:08, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey folks, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn_sexual_assault_case This article is a bit of a disaster, and I think could really use some attention, particularly from experienced Wikipedians and/or people experienced with coverage of sexual assault. I've made a couple of edits aiming to clean it up a little, but it really needs more work -- particularly, because it covers a high-profile alleged crime involving two living people, and they both deserve to be treated with respect and restraint. Looks like there aren't very many experienced editors working on it, which is a little anxiety-provoking. So if anybody's got time to help, that would be great :-) Thanks, Sue -- Sue Gardner Executive Director Wikimedia Foundation 415 839 6885 office 415 816 9967 cell Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Dominique Strauss Kahn article
Thanks Patricia, I utilised one of the quotes and bi-lingual references from the French site. Whiteghost.ink On 28 May 2011 22:58, patricia morales mariadelcarmenpatri...@yahoo.comwrote: Dear Sue, A good source for improving this article is to compare it with the article in the French WP. More quotes, more perspectives and a label on presumption of inocence. best regards, Patricia --- On *Sat, 5/28/11, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org* wrote: From: Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] Dominique Strauss Kahn article To: gendergap Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 12:08 AM Hey folks, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn_sexual_assault_case This article is a bit of a disaster, and I think could really use some attention, particularly from experienced Wikipedians and/or people experienced with coverage of sexual assault. I've made a couple of edits aiming to clean it up a little, but it really needs more work -- particularly, because it covers a high-profile alleged crime involving two living people, and they both deserve to be treated with respect and restraint. Looks like there aren't very many experienced editors working on it, which is a little anxiety-provoking. So if anybody's got time to help, that would be great :-) Thanks, Sue -- Sue Gardner Executive Director Wikimedia Foundation 415 839 6885 office 415 816 9967 cell Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.orghttp://mc/compose?to=Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] [Commons-l] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons
This anime image is not appropriate on the front page. Questions of art, of education, and of publication, all require judgement. Judgement in these matters is normal and necessary and is not of itself something which needs apology. Here are some reasons why I think it is okay to decide NOT to put this picture on the front page. This is not to say that it should be deleted, it is simply not appropriate for the front page – and that does not constitute censorship. The commonality of discriminatory product placement Most areas of endeavour exercise care and some discrimination about their products. It's not that they are illegal or censored; it's that they are inappropriate in some places. For example, at a recent exhibition in the Art Gallery of New South Wales, a very explicit drawing was placed at the far end of the exhibition and a sign was placed discreetly to inform members of the public who had to make a choice about whether to view them. In the case of Wikimedia, there might be gory images, for example, of the effect of land-mines which explode in children's faces. They are probably valuable – encyclopedic and even educational – but would they be appropriate on the front page? Their value is not diminished by leaving them in the body of the repository and it is not censorship to make some small efforts necessary to access them. The woman's body If you put a large-breasted indigenous naked woman in an image, people would not be commenting on the size of her breasts. They would see them as part of the woman herself, whereas the breasts on which people have commented in this anime are plainly “designed” for service to (some) viewers. In fact, this image's offensiveness to many comes not from the size of the breasts but rather from the whole backbreaking pose of the woman. Art and education If this is a form of art, the question is not whether or not you like the breasts (there are lots of breasts in art) but whether the art has its own integrity. That is an aesthetic question, which is why the colour palette is not under challenge as it contributes to the integrity of the image. Commons has criteria for aesthetic quality, but they do not specify or restrict subject matter. However, whether you like this art or any component part of it in any image is irrelevant. Audience approval of the “tits” is only relevant if the image is about titillation. Only if this is the purpose, does the approval of the pose and body parts become relevant. If the image is not about art but is rather about education, then the subject's body and pose are misleading, as are the clothes and everything else, even the colour palette. Above all, if it is about education, then an argument that its primary purpose to educate about the art form (manga) or the medium (the software) is spurious and disingenuous. Thanks, Whiteghost.ink PS I am a newbie female Åustralian Wikipedian and have been following this list for a while but this is my first contribution to it. I really think this is the wrong sort of image for the front page. Apart from all the other arguments, I think it is likely to deter whole demographics (plural) from contributing to any of the WM projects. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
