Re: [Gendergap] Statistics about gender gap
Thanks Sarah! Nina Sendt fra min iPhone Den 2. feb. 2012 kl. 22:15 skrev Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:05 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, you can't invite 1000 women that a day after leave because they don't understand how to edit (usability) or other reason. First, you have to understand why women leave. When you solves that, every woman that arrives, will continue editing forever. You won't need to invite them. I agree with this point, and I wonder whether we're approaching outreach from the wrong perspective. We are asking what is good for Wikipedia? when we should be asking what is good for the women we want to sign up? If we create an environment in which they can thrive, then they'll come and they'll stay, and we won't have to keep begging them to join us. But we have serious problems in the community. I've been on wikibreak for a few months, during which time I barely looked at Wikipedia (the English Wikipedia). When I did start to look again, I saw a community that is really fracturing. Lots of serious incivility, old grudges being played out in various places, and what one editor called regular Leninist purges. None of this is new, but it's getting worse. Plus, too many rules too rigidly enforced, too many confusing templates, and a push for quality that often boils down to endless nitpicking. And the most off-putting thing of all -- you spend hours, days or weeks on a piece of work only to see someone come along and casually destroy it. It is causing established editors to leave or reduce their involvement, including some of the few women we have. Old editors are leaving for the same reasons new editors are failing to arrive or stay. As I've argued many times, we need less outreach and more inreach. Can we persuade the Foundation to be more hands-on in dealing with the existing issues, rather than outreach? For example, I'm thinking it could offer a $15,000 prize for an essay that best gives us insight into the problems -- competition widely advertised, and open to anyone, including non-Wikimedians -- judging panel to be composed of Foundation employees. Perhaps a major publisher could be persuaded to publish the winning entry as an extra incentive. I'm also thinking the Foundation could hire a consultant on how to fix toxic communities. We are basically confronting a kind of workplace bullying as the essence of the problem, and there are plenty of people around who specialize in that. We tried to persuade the Foundation some years ago to hire a consultant on how to handle harassment, but it didn't work out. I think if we had done that, quite a few of the issues we see now might have turned out differently. I wonder whether the Foundation feels conflicted in this. On the one hand, they want to promote the idea that Wikipedia is wonderful. Come and join us! On the other hand, acknowledging the community's problems too openly puts out the opposite of that message. So we end up not getting the kind of all-out, top-down push for community health that we need. Sarah ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] The gendergap on Swedish television
Looked at the program and this is very interesting. They said that organisations with women are so small that they have no notability. Nina nina.wikipe...@gmail.com Den 14. des. 2011 kl. 23:54 skrev Lennart Guldbrandsson: Their very new website is http://wikifem.wordpress.com/ but there is only a short We are going to start type of notice there yet. We have emailed them. Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com / lenn...@wikimedia.se Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se http://www.1av3.se Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:36:03 -0500 From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] The gendergap on Swedish television Very cool Lennart. I regret I don't know Swedish, but, this is exciting none the less =) Do you know of any on Wiki or online links to the gender gap group, or is it specifically a mailing list? Thanks for sharing this, Sarah On 12/14/11 5:33 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote: Hello, Recently, Swedish television had quite a long bit about the gendergap: http://svtplay.se/v/2644848/kulturnyheterna/14_12_19_00 Apparently (it caused us a little bit of a surprise), there is a Wikipedia gendergap group in Sweden, and it has some cool supporters, including a professor in History. They have recently started, but we intend to keep in contact. Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com / lenn...@wikimedia.se Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se http://www.1av3.se ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Sarah Stierch Consulting -- Historical, cultural, new media artistic research advising. http://www.sarahstierch.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] WP stalking
I have got some calls about Wikipedia. I was in the board in Wikimedia Norway some years and president 1 year and got calls for journalists and other people those years. The last call I got about 1 week ago was from a woman who wanted to use one of my pictures in a book and ask me if it is ok. In Norway you only need to have a persons name to get the number : http://www.gulesider.no/person/resultat/nina+Aldin+Thune I have never told much about my family in the userpages. http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruker:Nina , https://plus.google.com/109860657201319190669/about only that I am housewife, and mother . Those calls have never been a problem, but I can understand that it could be, so as Risker/Anne says «reconsider how much personal information you want to share about yourself online» and ask someone get stuff taken down. Nina nina.wikipe...@gmail.com Den 14. nov. 2011 kl. 00:58 skrev Risker: Likewise, Christine, I stand ready to assist you. I'd suggest that yes, you reconsider how much personal information you want to share about yourself online; remember, Wikipedia userpages aren't just on Wikipedia, they're spidered all over the web. Once the information is out there, it's difficult to put the genie back in the bottle, so to speak. Nonetheless, if you'd like help trying to get stuff taken down, let me know. Risker/Anne On 13 November 2011 18:47, Lika Tika likatikalikat...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christine, I'm so sorry this happened to you. Unfortunately, something similar happened to me not long ago (although not related to Wikimedia). If you need any help taking your personal information offline, please let me know, I'm more than happy to help. Have you let the wiki admins know, it might be a good idea. All the best to you. On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Christine Meyer christinewme...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard about this kind of thing happening to other women in Wikipedia, but this is the first time this has ever happened to me personally. A few weeks ago, I got a phone call from a guy who said he wanted to talk to me about what it was like being the parent of children with special needs. He also said that he got my number from my church, so I told him that I was busy at the moment (which I was) and that he could call me back later. Yesterday afternoon, he called me back. I asked him where he got my number and how he found out about my parenting status. He said that he read what I had written on Wikipedia about my children, and that he wanted to talk to me about it because he was also developmentally disabled and had some syndrome that I didn't recognize. (It wasn't Asberger's, I don't think.) He also said that he had gotten my number from some church thing, and that they had confirmed my phone number. I told him that it was very inappropriate for him to call me, and he said, Well, you said I could call you back! I answered that I was in the middle of something the first time he called me, repeated how inappropriate he was being, and that I wasn't willing to speak with him over the phone. He said, You said all that on Wikipedia, and I said that I didn't have my phone number there, to which he responded, But your email address is there, and I said he could email me but calling me was again, inappropriate, and we hung up. Like I said, it was the first time something like this has happened, even after more than four years of active participation in WP. It's somewhat disconcerting to me. When I think about it, this guy had to actively hunt down my phone number. He looked at my userpage, which has infoboxes stating that I'm a parent of two children with developmental disabilities, that I live in a small town in Idaho, and that I'm Catholic. (This makes me want to remove those infoboxes.) He actually went to the trouble of calling one of the the two Catholic churches in my town and confirm my number with them, which they did quite honestly because I'm on a church committee and active in the community. Freaky, huh? I know that you need to tell people when something like this happens, especially people in your life. (I haven't been able to tell my husband about it yet; he's been working all weekend and we're coming off of a particularly stressful family situation.) So that's what I'm doing now. I can totally see why so many women don't identify their gender on WP now. I'd also like to get some advice from the members of this list, and to see if anyone else has had a similar experience and what they did about it. Thanks, Christine -- Christine W. Meyer User: Figureskatingfan christinewme...@gmail.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap
