Re: [Gendergap] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia DC Book Grant Program Announcement

[Rob]

Systemic bias issues on Wikipedia are often exacerbated by the lack of
digital resources in certain subject areas.  (Another reason for this
librarian to get annoyed when people say everything is online.)  The
book grant program is a great way to help address this.


On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Great, I'm glad to hear!
>
> (not sure why we're cross-posting to the gender gap list.)
>
>A.
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Kirill Lokshin <
> kirill.loks...@wikimediadc.org> wrote:
>
> > We did a preliminary assessment of the first pilot's outcomes in
> December,
> > with very promising results (50+ new articles created, 10+ articles
> > promoted to GA, and solid plans for continuing work).  Our plan is to
> > conduct a more detailed evaluation in August/September and include those
> > results in our annual report.
> >
> > Kirill
> >
> > --
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > President
> > Wikimedia District of Columbia
> > kirill.loks...@wikimediadc.org
> > https://wikimediadc.org
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Asaf Bartov 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Excellent. :)
> > >
> > > Does that mean there have been (positive?) conclusions from the first
> > > pilot?  Is that assessment documented somewhere?
> > >
> > >A.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Keilana 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello all! (Apologies for cross-posting!)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I’m pleased to announce the second round of Wikimedia DC Book
> Grants, a
> > > > pilot program in which we help provide editors with resources they
> need
> > > to
> > > > improve Wikimedia projects. If you live in the United States and
> > actively
> > > > edit Wikimedia projects, you are eligible; you do not have to be a
> > member
> > > > of WMDC or edit English projects.
> > > >
> > > > Applications are open for one week, from today through Monday, April
> 4.
> > > We
> > > > expect to let people know by April 10 whether or not their grant
> > request
> > > > has been funded.
> > > >
> > > > More information is available on the Wikimedia DC website [1].
> > > >
> > > > Apply for a grant here: https://podio.com/webforms/14722557/986696
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://wikimediadc.org/wiki/Book_grants
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Emily Temple-Wood
> > > > Vice President, Wikimedia District of Columbia
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Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

[Rob]

ibed in a certain manner, and we
will discuss this internally when considering future columns describing
living individuals.


On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> Risker, can we just put that to the test, since at least one Signpost
> editor is a subscriber to this list, and has spoken up on this topic
> on-Wiki?
>
> Rob, could you give us an indication of whether the commentary about the
> language in Emily's post (from Risker and others) has impacted your
> thinking on the topic, and whether you think you've learned anything from
> it? (Details welcome of course, but all I'm seeking is a quick/general
> comment.)
>
> -Pete
> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Risker  wrote:
>
>> I think I've made myself clear, Pete. I don't think that anything I say
>> will make a difference, any more than anything I have ever said has changed
>> the sub-optimal behaviour of any editor who thinks it's acceptable
>> professional behaviour to cuss all over the place.  I'm just really
>> disappointed that people who used to be in the "let's make this a more
>> pleasant and positive place to do our work" have gone over to the other
>> side.
>>
>> Risker
>>
>> On 21 February 2016 at 19:38, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
>>
>>> Risker, I want to be clear:
>>>
>>> It's not that I don't see a problem. I'm actually pretty sympathetic to
>>> your view; but I think your point has been made very strongly already, and
>>> the important audience is the Signpost editorial staff. I am confident they
>>> have heard the message, and I don't see how further discussion moves us in
>>> a better direction. The past can't be changed. I suppose the Signpost could
>>> retract the op-ed, but I rather doubt you're seeking something so
>>> extreme...or am I wrong?
>>>
>>> -Pete
>>> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Risker  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I feel very sad that you fellows don't see the problem in using this
>>>> kind of language to describe women. "Badass" isn't a compliment. After the
>>>> first two descriptions, I was fully expecting to see "brilliant
>>>> motherf***er" to describe the third one.  I'm surprised it wasn't used, in
>>>> fact.
>>>>
>>>> The subjects of our articles deserve to be treated much better than
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> Further, I'm incredibly disappointed that this got published in The
>>>> Signpost.  On Emily's own page...well, okay.  But instead of drawing
>>>> attention to the women who are the subjects of the articles, almost all of
>>>> the discussion is about the language used to describe themand pointing
>>>> out that several of them already had articles about them that were
>>>> improved, rather than that they'd not been written about at all.
>>>>
>>>> All in all, it impressed me as an island of lovely flowers in a garden
>>>> with a winter's worth of St. Bernard droppings.
>>>>
>>>> Risker
>>>>
>>>> On 21 February 2016 at 17:13, Pete Forsyth 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1 Ryan.
>>>>>
>>>>> This was one article, and no Wikipedians, readers, or article subjects
>>>>> were injured as a result of its publication. I don't really have a strong
>>>>> opinion one way or the other about whether using language in this way is
>>>>> OK. But the main lesson to me is how much the English Wikipedia community
>>>>> has come to value the Signpost as an institution. It's hard to imagine 
>>>>> such
>>>>> any Signpost column inspiring so much passion, say, five years ago. Above
>>>>> all, I think this constitutes a strong endorsement of the general value of
>>>>> the Signpost.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Pete
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Ryan Kaldari 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The depressing thing to me is that the English Wikipedia community
>>>>>> takes all of 10 minutes to work itself into a frenzy about the use of
>>>>>> profanity in a positive, non-personal way, but if an editor on Wikipedia
>>>>>> calls a female editor a cunt, no one dares to bat an eye.
>>>>>

Re: [Gendergap] Video Q&A discussing Arbcom and gender/orientation harassment cases

[Rob]

Thanks for creating this transcript.  I hope that it will help make this
conversation more accessible to those who need to hear it.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Neotarf  wrote:

> I have posted a transcript of the Q&A portion:
> https://neotarf.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/danielle-citrons-wikicon-online-harassment-speech-qa/
> and added links to the documents referenced.
>
> @Fae thanks for the link, I didn't know you could link to a specific point
> in a video
> @J Hayes "cultural buzzsaw" tweet?
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:08 PM, J Hayes  wrote:
>
>> yes,
>> nice for arbcom to see how they are perceived
>>
>> and Andrew Lih mentioned the "cultural buzzsaw" tweet for importance of
>> fixing culture as one of the things wikipedia must do.
>>
>> this was for an audience of the US powers that be; it will be interesting
>> to see the impact on future conduct.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Jane Darnell  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, that was an interesting Q&A - I was familiar with most of the
>>> material discussed in the talk (and a lot of it has been discussed here
>>> before), but I was surprised by the emotional response afterwards and the
>>> number of comments/questions.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Fæ  wrote:
>>>
 Links:
 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS-Y-FuzAH4&t=85m30s
 2.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee#Comments_on_ArbCom_and_gender

 Folks may be interested in watching the Q&A session at the recent
 WikiConference USA where gender and harassment was discussed for about
 45 minutes.[1] It makes for an interesting summary of how Arbcom is
 perceived with regard to handling harassment cases, and the types of
 harassment of significant concern for our community.

 This has been raised on the Arbcom noticeboard[2], it will be
 interesting to see how many current Arbcom members make a public
 comment, or indeed if they are perfectly happy with the way Arbcom
 currently works, or not.

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Re: [Gendergap] Video Q&A discussing Arbcom and gender/orientation harassment cases

[Rob]

Card-carrying librarian here.  Can someone let me in on our takeover plans?
  Email me.   Thanks.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 5:49 PM, J Hayes  wrote:

> yes, lambs to the slaughter
> echoing andrew lih,
> i have been to a few wiki loves libraries
> and all the librarians are aware of the toxic culture
> but the militant ones are biding their time
> for the takeover.
> i was questioning DGG about some librarian ethics
> but he dismissed them.
>
> also about the "political moment" response
> we need to start recruiting candidates for arbcom now.
> i asked Rosiestep  , but
> she demurred
> can't say i blame her.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Neotarf  wrote:
>
>> "...now pitching the idea that ARL libraries take over editing chunks of
>> Wikipedia..." It does sound like a remake of Bambi Meets Godzilla.
>>
>> Wonder how that would go over in Canada--looks like they have a number of
>> ARL libraries http://www.arl.org/membership#.ViU1omtAeKI  Sounds like
>> the kind of thing LAC might regards as a “high risk” activity.
>> http://o.canada.com/news/national/federal-librarians-fear-being-muzzled-under-new-code-of-conduct
>> And there is already an old code of conduct that mentions diversity and
>> harassment.
>> http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/about-us/Pages/code-conduct-value-ethics.aspx#h
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 1:52 PM, J Hayes  wrote:
>>
>>> right,
>>>  here's the tweet from an audience member at a ARL conference
>>> https://twitter.com/LibSkrat/status/651786423138430976
>>>
>>> it is quoted on one of fuzheado's slides.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Neotarf  wrote:
>>>
 I have posted a transcript of the Q&A portion:
 https://neotarf.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/danielle-citrons-wikicon-online-harassment-speech-qa/
 and added links to the documents referenced.

 @Fae thanks for the link, I didn't know you could link to a specific
 point in a video
 @J Hayes "cultural buzzsaw" tweet?


 On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:08 PM, J Hayes  wrote:

> yes,
> nice for arbcom to see how they are perceived
>
> and Andrew Lih mentioned the "cultural buzzsaw" tweet for importance
> of fixing culture as one of the things wikipedia must do.
>
> this was for an audience of the US powers that be; it will be
> interesting to see the impact on future conduct.
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Jane Darnell 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, that was an interesting Q&A - I was familiar with most of the
>> material discussed in the talk (and a lot of it has been discussed here
>> before), but I was surprised by the emotional response afterwards and the
>> number of comments/questions.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Fæ  wrote:
>>
>>> Links:
>>> 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS-Y-FuzAH4&t=85m30s
>>> 2.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee#Comments_on_ArbCom_and_gender
>>>
>>> Folks may be interested in watching the Q&A session at the recent
>>> WikiConference USA where gender and harassment was discussed for
>>> about
>>> 45 minutes.[1] It makes for an interesting summary of how Arbcom is
>>> perceived with regard to handling harassment cases, and the types of
>>> harassment of significant concern for our community.
>>>
>>> This has been raised on the Arbcom noticeboard[2], it will be
>>> interesting to see how many current Arbcom members make a public
>>> comment, or indeed if they are perfectly happy with the way Arbcom
>>> currently works, or not.
>>>
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>>> --
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Re: [Gendergap] "Harvard students edit Wikipedia in effort to ‘dismantle the patriarchy’ "

[Rob]

Saw this earlier today: http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=6785.  I
expect we will see more.

This is why we can't have nice things.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Carol Moore dc  wrote:
> http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24150/
>
> "Meanwhile, these college feminist Wikipedia attacks have become something
> of a regular thing: (Conservative woman author lists "examples")"
>
> We'll see if they post my reply... ;-)
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[Gendergap] Five African female scientists you should definitely know about

[Rob]

http://issues.ayibamagazine.com/five-african-female-scientists-you-should-definitely-know-about/

Only one has a Wikipedia article.
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Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

[Rob]

I agree about the double standard, I've seen it applied all too often on
Wikipedia.  I was just asking what specific articles were being affected.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Carol Moore dc 
wrote:

>  One can always just study the relevant articles.
> But often it's a double standard in application of policies.
> So if it's a guy architect with a couple low quality refs,
> people won't even bother to notice or respond.
> But if it's a woman architect with 7 or 8 solid ones,
> it becomes a cause celebre to delete the article.
> And none of that "give the women a chance to
> beef it up" nonsense either.
>
> It tends to be quite irrational and knee jerk.
> I've seen the same thing on articles about writers,
> professors, politicians, anyone with even a mild
> POV that goes against the alleged mainstream.
> Their articles sometimes are ruthlessly attacked
> and nitpicked. But if you just put a tag for
> better references (or any references at all!) on
>  articles about individuals with an allegedly more
> mainstream view who editors merely claim are
> important in their field, you may get a lot of grief.
>
> That's what systemic bias is all about it.
>
>
> On 4/11/2015 5:55 PM, Rob wrote:
>
> Can anyone point to where this "troll" behavior happened? There don't seem
> to be a lot of specifics in this article, and I'm wondering if it's gender
> trolls (which are, alas, plentiful) or a culture clash between old editors
> and new ones over unfamiliar policies?
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Carol Moore dc 
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/10/2015 6:33 PM, Siko Bouterse wrote:
>>
>>> This is the grant proposal referenced at the end of that article
>>> (currently under review as part of Inspire):
>>>
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/More_Female_Architects_on_Wikipedia
>>>
>>>  I remember NOT commenting on that one because I figured, who could
>> have a problem with that?
>>
>> How soon we forget that getting MORE women articles and editors was and
>> remains controversial.
>>
>> Banging head vs. wall
>>
>>
>> CM
>>
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Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

[Rob]

Can anyone point to where this "troll" behavior happened? There don't seem
to be a lot of specifics in this article, and I'm wondering if it's gender
trolls (which are, alas, plentiful) or a culture clash between old editors
and new ones over unfamiliar policies?

On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Carol Moore dc 
wrote:

> On 4/10/2015 6:33 PM, Siko Bouterse wrote:
>
>> This is the grant proposal referenced at the end of that article
>> (currently under review as part of Inspire):
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/More_
>> Female_Architects_on_Wikipedia
>>
>>  I remember NOT commenting on that one because I figured, who could have
> a problem with that?
>
> How soon we forget that getting MORE women articles and editors was and
> remains controversial.
>
> Banging head vs. wall
>
>
> CM
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and Feminism.

[Rob]

"Well, if you want to write articles about French women painters, go
ahead. But you shouldn't do it just because you want more articles
about women on Wikipedia."

Why not?  Nobody says this to the people who write articles about
trains or video games.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Ryan Kaldari  wrote:
> I find the entire premise of this essay to be a bit misguided. Do we really
> need to worry about tamping down the trickle of feminists editing art
> articles on Wikipedia? There are easily ten times more men's rights
> activists editing Wikipedia than feminists, and they actively organize
> off-wiki to subvert NPOV. Why does no one care about that? Why not write a
> blog post about men's rights activists running meat-puppet campaigns and
> trying to white-wash articles about rape and domestic violence? If anything,
> having a handful of feminists on Wikipedia might serve to keep them in
> check.
>
> "Also, don't revise existing articles because you feel there is a male bias
> in them."
> This is terrible advice. For example, I significantly revised the "dating"
> article a few years ago because it had an obvious male bias and seemed to be
> intended only for a male audience. Why should people leave articles with a
> male bias? NPOV doesn't mean leave articles with whatever bias they started
> with.
>
> Also, I find it strange that your article implies that feminists can't write
> from a neutral point of view. Feminism is about equality of the sexes and
> opposing stereotypes and biases. It isn't about making women look better
> than men or excluding the male point of view. I think feminists make great
> Wikipedia editors. Look at Adrianne Wadewitz: 37 featured articles! I would
> gladly take 1000 more Adrianne Wadewitzs as Wikipedia editors!
>
> Kaldari
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:23 AM, J Hayes  wrote:
>>
>> nice wiki-splaining - the problem with your thesis:
>> "What we don't need, however, is more feminists."
>>
>> is labeling and the double standard of "civility enforcement"
>>
>> as Djembayz said at Signpost:
>> "the rules on Wikipedia are not clear, the enforcement on disruptive
>> behavior is arbitrary or non-existent. Online game players, vulgarians, and
>> sea-lioning randos who congregate here can be as disruptive and outrageous
>> as they wish, with impunity. They don't care, because they don't have to."
>>
>> until the systemic bias in "civility enforcement" is dealt with, your
>> thesis will be a dead letter with me.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Sydney Poore 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This part of the "we" of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit
>>> Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women.
>>>
>>> What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are interested
>>> in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without being hindered.
>>> Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can be neutral
>>> without a large and inclusive body of people creating it.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Sydney Poore
>>> User:FloNight
>>>
>>> On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, "Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia)"
>>>  wrote:

 Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list,

 My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom).

 I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism and was
 encouraged to share it with this list.

 As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your
 comments.
 Regards,

 Lukas Mezger

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Re: [Gendergap] Help write an article about American Airlines' first female commercial pilot

[Rob]

Nice work!  And thanks for filling in one of the redlinks on my
article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersisters

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Sydney Poore  wrote:
> Hi Jodi,
>
> The article is looking good.
>
> I deleted the re-direct. You can do a page move into mainspace when you are
> ready.
>
> I think that it will make a great DYK!
>
> Sydney
>
>
>
> Sydney Poore
> User:FloNight
> Wikipedian in Residence
> at Cochrane Collaboration
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Jodi Schneider 
> wrote:
>>
>> In 1973, Bonnie Tiburzi became the first female pilot for a major
>> commercial airline in the US. Her article redirects to AA.
>>
>> Want to help fix that? Here's a draft that needs improvement:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bonnie_Tiburzi
>>
>> -Jodi
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[Gendergap] Computational Linguistics Reveals How Wikipedia Articles Are Biased Against Women

[Rob]

MIT Technology Review: "Despite well-publicized efforts to promote
equality, Wikipedia articles are deeply biased against women, say
computer scientists who have analysed six different language versions
of the online encyclopedia."

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/534616/computational-linguistics-reveals-how-wikipedia-articles-are-biased-against-women/

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[Gendergap] The Signpost

[Rob]

Hello,

I'm one of the new editor-in-chiefs of The Signpost, the community-written
newspaper covering the English Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects.
While it is hosted on the English Wikipedia it is independent of the WMF.

In March, we would like to include some content focusing on women's
contributions to Wikipedia and the gender gap.  Some of this may be in
conjunction with the WMF blog, but the details have yet to be worked out.
We need ideas, but mostly we need people willing to create such content.
We have a very small staff and most of them are dedicated to producing our
regular features.

March aside, new content and suggestions are of course always welcome at
any time and on any issue.  In particular, I've used this list to find
media stories that I've missed in the usual places I look when composing
the "In the media" section of the Signpost, and I wanted to say thanks for
that and if there's any media story or anything else that you think should
be featured in the Signpost, please let me know.

Thank you,

Gamaliel
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Re: [Gendergap] Yay more professors improving Wikipedia related to women centric stuff!

[Rob]

It looks like the editors mentioned in the article could use some
assistance: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Samantha_Nock_-_A_Halfbreed%27s_Reasoning


On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
> Yahoo this time in Canada.
>
> http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1247529/mount-royal-university-womens-studies-class-aims-to-take-back-piece-of-wikipedia/
>
> --
>
> Sarah Stierch
>
> -
>
>
> www.sarahstierch.com
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Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You Know?) section

[Rob]

DYK is pretty dysfunctional behind the scenes so I don't think there's any
hope of changing DYK processes to address this issue.  What can be done is
to encourage individual WikiProjects addressing the gender gap to include
submitting new and improved articles to DYK as a part of their regular
process of article improvement.   It's very easy to get a good article onto
DYK once it is submitted there.


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Rosiestep Wiki 
wrote:

> I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an
> average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed this
> because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how
> many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing?
>
> Some statistics here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions
>
> Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March (Women's
> History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the occasional set
> (6-7 "hooks") or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the majority of the
> biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon occurrence over the
> course of a week. The reason seems simple:  fewer women's biographies are
> being nominated by editors, so fewer are promoted, and fewer appear at DYK.
> It almost goes without saying that fewer women's biographies are
> created/expanded compared to men's but it's actually important to address
> this, as IMO, it's the crux of the problem. I am not suggesting and would
> not support setting limits on the number of men's biographies which appear
> at DYK. Instead, I'd like to believe that issue/problem recognition is the
> first step before we brainstorm some objectives, develop workplans (i.e.
> monthly edit-a-thons anyone?), and measure outcomes.
>
> I'm considering creating a proposal and applying for a grant to work on
> this "percentage issue". Feedback?
>
> -Rosie
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep
>
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Re: [Gendergap] I f***ing love science

[Rob]

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Joseph Reagle wrote:

> Do folks know of other examples of this?


It was widely assumed that the prominent political blogger Digby was male
until she showed up to accept an award in 2007.  When meeting another
blogger for the first time, prior to that, she joked that she was "less
James Bond and more Judi Dench".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digby_(blogger)
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Re: [Gendergap] A fun new project!

[Rob]

Everyone might know about this already, but the Brooklyn Museum has
set up their own Wiki for The Dinner Party:
http://www.brooklynmuseum.org/eascfa/dinner_party/about_wiki.php

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Re: [Gendergap] A fun new project!

[Rob]

I have a copy of the Judy Chicago book "The Dinner Party: From
Creation to Preservation"  listed in the bibliography of that article
if anyone needs any info from it.  I will, time permitting, chip in on
a couple of the articles too.

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Re: [Gendergap] Kelly Wearstler, again...

[Rob]

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

 > I reviewed the comment linked, and also the [[Talk:Kelly Wearstler]] page,
> and it does seem to me that the candidate's statement is an inaccurate
> reflection of what happened.

I can't speak to the accuracy of anyone's comments, but we had a big
discussion about this on BLPN too back in May, so he may have been
talking about comments there.

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Re: [Gendergap] Kelly Wearstler, again...

[Rob]

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Nathan  wrote:

>
> Well, let's be fair - there are men on both sides, and as most
> Wikipedia editors are male I don't think any conclusions can be drawn
> from the gender of the editors :-P

You're right, I should have qualified that a bit more.  After all, I
am a male on the other side of the issue.  But a group of male editors
are dismissing the documented accomplishments of a professional in a
traditionally female-oriented occupation, insisting they are less
important than her naked pictures.  This could easily serve as a case
study for a gender theorist.  I don't think it's going too far to say
that sexism, or at least male privilege and myopia, are in play here.

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Re: [Gendergap] Kelly Wearstler, again...

[Rob]

Thanks for bringing this to our (well, mine, anyway) attention.  It
was troubling when it first showed up on BLPN in May and it's still
troubling that so many (all male, looks like) editors are missing the
point of BLP and UNDUE and are so dismissive of the career
accomplishments of the subject of the article, despite ample evidence
of them in that article.  We obsessively document career details of
every minor voice actor and porn star, but dismiss career
documentation from gold standard sources like The New Yorker and The
New York Times when it comes to interior design.  (This isn't a
strictly gender issue, I've had the same argument with editors over
literary theorists and fields like that outside of the tech/media
orbit.)  I doubt this would happen with the article of, say, a
wrestler, where a bunch of male editors would insist that the sports
career is utterly meaningless in the face of something like a brief
cameo appearance in a Lars von Trier film.

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