[Gendergap] [For review] The results of Community Reporting System research are ready

[Sydney Poore]

Hello All,

To better understand the perspectives of individuals in the Wikimedia
community who have experienced harassment, Wikimedia Foundation researched
our community members’ knowledge of, and comfort with, existing enforcement
and reporting processes.

An executive summary of the research report is now available on Meta. <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/2021_consultations/Research
>

Currently, the executive summary is available in English, Spanish, and
German.

Please share the results of the research with your community by forwarding
this email, posting a link to the report, or translating the report into
your language.

You can discuss the results or raise questions on Meta or by contacting
communityhealt...@wikimedia.org.
Warm regards,
Sydney

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Re: [Gendergap] In memory of User:Danveg

[Sydney Poore]

Hi Tsipi and Michal,

Thank you for letting know. I'm sorry for your loss.

I'll pass on the idea of editing article about transgender issues in her
memory.
Warm regards,
Sydney

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Co-founder Kentucky Wikimedians,
Co-founder WikiWomen User Group,
Co-founder WikiConference North America
Board member of Wiki Project Med Foundation,
Member of Simple Annual Plan Grant Committee





On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 3:15 AM, Michal Lester <mles...@wikimedia.org.il>
wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> We're sorry to inform you that user:DanVag chose to end her life last
> week. User:Danveg was an active editor in HEWK and contributed mostly in
> the subject of gender and transgender issues. She was also an active
> volunteer in TLV Wikiwomen group. She guided newbies at Wikiwomen meetups
> with a lot of patience and kindness.
>
> As she was part of the transgender community, we urge you to consider
> editing articles about transgender issues in her memory. Please add  the
> articles you edited to this page
> <https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%92%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%92%D7%A9%D7%99_%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99_%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D/DanVeg_Memorial_Trans_Project>
> .
>
> Thank you,
>
> Tsipi Erann, Wikiwomen group
>
> Michal Lester, WMIL
>
>
>
>
> *Regards,*
>
>
> *Michal Lester,*
>
> *Executive DirectorWikimedia Israel*
> *http://www.wikimedia.org.il <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>  *
> *972-50-8996046 ; 972-77-751-6032  *
>
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [Affiliates] AffCom call for new members

[Sydney Poore]

For your consideration. It is important to have more diversity in
membership of the committee and those giving feedback about the nominees.
Sydney


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From: "Maor Malul" 
Date: Dec 17, 2016 11:44 AM
Subject: [Affiliates] AffCom call for new members
To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" , "Affiliates
discussion list" , <
wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org>
Cc:

Dear all,

The Affiliations Committee – the committee responsible for guiding
volunteers in establishing Wikimedia chapters, thematic organizations, and
user groups – is looking for new members!  If you are interested in joining
us, please submit an application by 31 December 2016.

Based on the successful experience of last call, this one will include too
a public review and comment period.  All applications will be posted on
Meta, and all members of the community are invited to provide comments and
feedback about each candidate, always keeping a friendly tone.

The full call for candidates, which contains more information on the
committee's work, membership criteria, and instructions for how to apply,
can be found on Meta at https://meta.wikimedia.org/
wiki/Affiliations_Committee/MassMessages/Call_for_candidates_-_December_2016

We invite all community members to consider to apply or invite those
members that you think could make it cool as AffCom members. We make a
special call to women since AffCom is worried to keep or increase its women
quota among its members.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me or any other
member of the committee.

Regards,
M

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[Gendergap] Fwd: [hifa] Are there gender differences in access and use of digital health tech?

[Sydney Poore]

Thought would be of interest.
Sydney
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Amy Lee, USA" 
Date: Dec 6, 2016 1:21 AM
Subject: [hifa] Are there gender differences in access and use of digital
health tech?
To: "HIFA - Healthcare Information For All" 
Cc:

Hi all,

When planning for a digital health program, people often assume that women
have less access to the internet or are less likely to use technology than
men. The Knowledge for Health (K4Health) Project [https://www.k4health.org/]
wondered if this assumption is actually true and surveyed Global Health
eLearning (GHeL) Center [https://www.globalhealthlearning.org/] users to
understand how gender plays a role in GHeL online engagement.

I recently wrote about my experience working on this activity and our
findings in a new post on The Exchange, K4Health’s Medium Publication –
Online Learning: Are There Really Differences Between Men and Women? [
http://bit.ly/2geRpc1] The main takeaway for me is that there were more
similarities than differences between men and women. For example, the top
three reasons both men and women gave for taking courses were interest in
topic, desire for technical knowledge, and interest in improving job
prospects.

We’d love to hear your own experience looking at gender and digital health.
Have you found that men and women are similarly engaged in your programs
and activities? Or do some types of tools and services show a difference in
access and use??

Please feel free to share with relevant contacts and colleagues.

Best,
Amy

Amy Lee
Program Specialist, Knowledge for Health (K4Health)
CCPk4health

Johns Hopkins Center for Communication Programs
111 Market Place, Suite 310
Baltimore, Maryland 21202
Phone: 410-223-1645
Email: amy@jhu.edu
Web: ccp.jhu.edu| www.k4health.org

HIFA profile: Amy Lee is a Program specialist at The Johns Hopkins
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America.   amy.lee AT jhu.edu
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Child Health, Global Health Media Project, Haiti Nursing Foundation,
International Child Health Group (RCPCH), International Foundation for
Dermatology, International League of Dermatological Societies,
International Society for Social Paediatrics and Child Health, Joanna
Briggs Institute, The Lancet, LiveWell Initiative (Nigeria), mPowering
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Mobile, Network for Information and Digital Access, Next GenU, Palliative
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[Gendergap] August 31 Final day to submit program sessions at WikiConference North America

[Sydney Poore]

Hello everyone,

Tomorrow, August 31st, is the final day to submit proposals for program
sessions for WikiConference North America on October 8-10 in San Diego.

https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2016/Submissions

There are already some proposal that would be of interest to the people on
this mailing list. But we welcome more submissions about increasing
participation in Wikimedia projects.

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight

WikiConference North America https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2016/Main_Page

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[Gendergap] WikiConference North America

[Sydney Poore]

WikiConference North America 2016
7-10 October 2016, San Diego, CA, USA

WikiConference North America (formerly WikiConference USA) is the third
annual conference on the North American continent devoted to Wikipedia and
other Wikimedia projects. The weekend will feature both academic and casual
presentations on Wikimedia-related outreach activities, workshops to
improve the skills of grassroots organizers, and discussions on the past,
present, and future of the Wikimedia projects. The conference features
offerings about community outreach, online activity, partnerships with
institutions of knowledge, and technology. Keynote speakers are scheduled
to include Katherine Maher, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation,
and Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer of OCLC Research. The last
day of the conference will feature programming coinciding with Indigenous
Peoples' Day.

Registration for the conference is now open.  You can register at
https://wikiconference.org.

Scholarships partially covering costs of travel and attendance are
available for active contributors to Wikimedia projects.  Apply by August
23rd for scholarships at https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2016/Scholarships.

This is a volunteer run conference and volunteers are needed for any number
of tasks.  If you are attending, please consider volunteering for at
https://wikiconference.org/wiki/Volunteers.

We seek presentations addressing topics related to Wikipedia or open access
and culture. Presentations may be from any discipline regarding any
relevant topic. Please submit a description of your proposed presentation
using our online submission process at
https://wikiconference.org/wiki/Submissions.  If you are interested in
participating in the peer-reviewed academic track, see our call for
academic submissions at
https://wikiconference.org/wiki/Call_for_Academic_Presentations.

- Sydney Poore (User:FloNight) and Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
(User:Rosiestep), conference organizers
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing Rapid Grants

[Sydney Poore]

Sharing the announcement about the new WMF Rapid Grants Program. Go forth
and use it to decrease the gender gap!
Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Wiki Project Med Foundation
WikiWomen's User Group
Facebook https://www.facebook.com/sydney.e.poore


-- Forwarded message --
From: Alex Wang <aw...@wikimedia.org>
Date: Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:11 PM
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing Rapid Grants
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org>


Hello Wikimedians,

We are excited to announce the launch of a new Wikimedia Foundation grants
program, Rapid Grants!

Rapid grants fund Wikimedia community members -- individuals, groups, or
organizations contributing to Wikimedia projects -- to organize projects
throughout the year for up to USD 2,000. Projects can include experiments
or standard needs that don't need broad review to get started. Applications
are reviewed weekly by WMF staff.

Read more about the new program and apply here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid

Questions? Email rapidgra...@wikimedia.org

For more information about next steps and important dates for the grants
program redesign, please visit:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Reimagining_WMF_grants/Implementation

Cheers,

Alex

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Re: [Gendergap] Sharing knowledge about notable women from the Central and Eastern Europe

[Sydney Poore]

Natalia,

That's fantastic to hear. Makes my heart happy. <3
Sydney
On May 5, 2016 4:07 PM, "Natalia Szafran-Kozakowska" 
wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> I'm not sure if you know the CEE Spring 2016 project. It is an article
> writing contest held on 29 language versions of Wikipedia aiming to gather
> knowledge about the countries of Central and Eastern Europe[1]. The
> participants write about different topics related to the region. But the
> topic that is supported the most are women biographies. We feel that this
> is important to inspire users to discover and share stories about the
> notable women from the region. You can read more about how we do it at the
> CEE Spring blog[2][3].
> Our ideas seem to be working - in some language versions more than 60% of
> biographies created during the contest are about women!
> The contest is still on (it will last till May 31) so it is still time to
> join us and write about Central European women. Especially that this week
> we are holding a special international challenge related to women in
> science and education[3].
>
> Natalia [[user:Magalia]]
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Spring_2016
> [2]
> http://ceespring.eu/blog/2016/04/21/cee-spring-participants-fighting-the-gender-gap/
> [3]
> http://ceespring.eu/blog/2016/04/30/week-of-women-in-science-and-education/
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[Gendergap] Katy Love promoted to Director of Community Resources

[Sydney Poore]

Hello everyone,

Yesterday, Maggie Dennis announced that Katy Love (WMF Senior Program
Officer, Funds Dissemination Committee) has been promoted to the Director
of Community Resources. She is replacing Siko Bouterse whose last day was
yesterday.

>From my first hand experience working with Katy, I know her to supportive
of programs, projects, and people who are working to increase participation
of women in the wikimedia movement, including women on BoT of affiliate
organization and other leadership positions.

So, I encourage people on this mailing list to participate in the WMF
grants programs in order to develop methods to engage more women.

https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/082499.html

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:KLove_(WMF)
Warn regards,
Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
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[Gendergap] Lila Tretikov's resignation, Executive Director search

[Sydney Poore]

With Lila Tretikov's resignation today, it will be important for people who
think it is important to increase participation by women to speak up about
it as a search is launched for a new Executive Director.

I encourage people to monitor discussions on meta about the qualifications
for a ED, and comment not just about diversity issues but to otherwise make
suggestions.

Lila Tretikov's resignation announcement
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/082470.html

WMF Chair's preliminary announcement about transition plan
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/082472.html

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
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Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

[Sydney Poore]

Rob,

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

I think it is a good recap of the situation and I support your overall
thinking.
Warm regards,
Sydney

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Wikipedian in Residence
at Cochrane Collaboration

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:02 AM, Rob <gamali...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Thank you, Pete, for the reminder about this message. There's a lot going
> on this week.
>
> The response to the op-ed has given us a lot to think about. We expected a
> strong response and some objections, but we did not anticipate anything
> like this. We do want a response, and sometimes we deliberately try to
> provoke a negative response if we think the issue is important, as we did
> in this case. We do want to take into account the responses and consider
> the reasonable ones respectfully, even if we disagree with them, while
> reserving the right to respond appropriately to the responses that are
> ridiculous or offensive. Many of the responses rest on premises with which
> I fundamentally disagree (which I'll get to in a bit), so I doubt I will be
> able to find common ground with those particular editors, unfortunately.
>
> The biggest impression that was made on me by these responses was
> realizing how others see The Signpost. One commenter called Emily's column
> “an alternative weekly-style piece”. While I take our mission and
> specifically the news coverage quite seriously, I often see The Signpost as
> a cheeky alternative weekly whose mission is to be edgy and provocative.
> Until now, I did not realize how many people saw The Signpost not as an
> edgy outsider but as a Wikimedia institution and our newspaper of record,
> and feel that it has a responsibility to act more in the manner of The New
> York Times than The Village Voice. I don't want The Signpost to become
> stodgy or staid, but I wonder if I shouldn't take into account the views of
> those editors more often. It is heartening to see how important The
> Signpost is to so many editors, and I'd like to continue to be
> intellectually provocative while not needlessly offending those editors.
>
> My main issue with the objections is that want The Signpost to be or
> perceive it as only one thing. I want The Signpost to reflect the vast
> diversity of people and viewpoints in Wikimedia. I want it to be able to be
> more than one thing. Risker complained that we “would rather be
> sensationalistic than informative”. I want it to be both. I want it to be
> serious and funny, professional and irreverent, a cheerleader for Wikimedia
> and a gadfly that points out its flaws. We publish anywhere from four to
> twelve sections each week, from a variety of authors and viewpoints. News
> is different from Traffic which is different from the Arbitration Report
> which is different from whatever person is presenting their opinion in the
> Op-Ed section that week. Different authors present different viewpoints and
> different tones, in different ways in different pieces in different weeks.
> I want to experiment with new viewpoints and new formats to supplement what
> we're already doing. Perhaps this column was a failed experiment, but I
> don't regret trying it because if we don't risk failure we won't be able to
> improve The Signpost.
>
> This diversity of views and tones also applies to the issue of systemic
> bias and the author herself. This was one expression, it was never intended
> to be the final word on the issue of systemic bias, and there should be
> room in The Signpost and in the minds of its readers for multiple ways of
> dealing with that topic. This particular expression should not be expected
> to reflect the entire issue or all of its advocates, and the idea that an
> irreverent online column would prevent someone from attending an in person
> event related to this issue or reflects on all the people participating in
> the event is, frankly, baffling.
>
> Likewise, the author of that piece should not be limited in expressing
> herself in one particular way about Wikimedia issues. There are many ways
> we should be able to express how we feel about this thing that we love and
> that is so important to our lives. She can be professional with her
> professional dealings and also express herself in a bawdy, irreverent way
> in a different context. The idea that she cannot or should not be a
> multifaceted person and be able to express that is a limitation of the
> imaginations of some readers, but those limitations should not be imposed
> on the author herself.
>
> One objection we did not anticipate is the idea that this particular
> expression would be seen as offensive towards the scientists discussed in
> the piece. We thought it was fairly clear that this was a celebration of
> the lives and work of female

Re: [Gendergap] Nice presentation by FloNight on the Cochrane initiative

[Sydney Poore]

Thank you, Jane. I agree that reaching out to people in other languages is
important to see if we can run the update bot.

There are more talks today live or later on video that are focused on the
gender gap.The talks have been really good.

Sydney

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Wikipedian in Residence
at Cochrane Collaboration

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> Sydney did a great job presenting her work for the Cochrane initiative and
> I loved hearing about the link updates for existing medical articles on
> English Wikipedia. It would be great if we could get this working for other
> languages as well. She talks about the Women in Red project and some work
> coming up on this and women scientists in general.
>
> Her presentation at WIkiCon USA in D.C. yesterday is here (fast forward to
> about 5 hours in)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj6U22uJzGM
>
> Jane
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Re: [Gendergap] Meeting at the Wikiconference?

[Sydney Poore]

Looking forward to seeing you there.
On Oct 5, 2015 8:00 PM, "Francesca Tripodi"  wrote:

> Hello list members!
>
> I am not sure if any of you are planning on attending the upcoming
> conference in DC but it would be wonderful we we could organize a meet up
> for those who might be coming. In taking a look at the schedule it seems
> that lunch will be served on the first day. Perhaps we could plan to meet
> and eat together during this time (either at the conference or venturing to
> another location)?
> http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule
>
> I am a graduate student working on how women and minorities are silenced
> in participatory media spaces and I'd love the chance to speak with more of
> you "off line" about your experiences.
>
> Safe travels to those attending -
> --
> Francesca Tripodi, PhD Candidate (Sociology)
> PhD Intern | Office of the Dean of Students
> ftripodi.com
>
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [Publicpolicy] Introducing the public policy site

[Sydney Poore]

This is significant since good public policy work can make easier for all
women around the world to have access to Wikipedia to read and edit, to
have less concerns about censorship, and to protect the privacy of women
who want to edit on controversial topics.

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Wikipedian in Residence
at Cochrane Collaboration

-- Forwarded message --
From: Stephen LaPorte <slapo...@wikimedia.org>
Date: Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 1:56 PM
Subject: [Publicpolicy] Introducing the public policy site
To: publicpol...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hi all,

We wanted to let you know about a new site that we launched to support your
work on public policy and communicate how public policy affects the
Wikimedia projects to advocacy groups (https://policy.wikimedia.org). The
site includes position statements on access, copyright, censorship,
intermediary liability, and privacy. We hope that it will make it easier
for advocacy groups to collaborate with the Wikimedia community on issues
within these areas.

You can read more about the site in this blog post:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/09/02/new-wikimedia-public-policy-site/

Thanks,
Yana & Stephen

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Re: [Gendergap] Women's health articles

[Sydney Poore]

Thank you, Ryan.

Sydney
On May 29, 2015 9:32 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Since the WikiProject proposal got a lot of positive feedback, I've gone
 ahead and created the page for the WikiProject here:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women's_health

 It's extremely basic right now, but I'll try to flesh it out some more
 this weekend. If you're interested, please sign-up as a member on the
 project page and help tag articles using the project template:
 {{WikiProject Women's health|class=|importance=}}

 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Neotarf neot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anyone given any thought to Simple English Wikipedia?  I started
 Fistula https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fistula which has so far
 escaped the deletionists, and have FGM,
 https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation which is
 very incomplete, on my list, since SV updated the enwiki article. BTW, I
 took the fistula illustration from another language wikipedia, as it seemed
 more appropriate to a younger and possibly more conservative readership.

 As a side note, since I don't know of any women who use Visual Editor, VE
 has done something with its image search function.  If you have ever tried
 to find an image about some subject on Commons, you know it can be almost
 impossible.  But if you enable VE, go to the insert function, and tell it
 to upload an image, it will suggest images to you that you would never be
 able to find otherwise.

 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 5:07 PM, keilanawiki keilanaw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Awesome!!!


 Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


  Original message 
 From: Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org
 Date:05/14/2015 3:22 PM (GMT-06:00)
 To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
 participation of women within Wikimedia projects. 
 gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
 Cc:
 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women's health articles

 I created a proposal here:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Women%27s_health

 Feel free to add yourself as a supporter or discuss the proposal in the
 discussion section.

 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Set it up and sign me up, too.

 Sydney
 On May 14, 2015 8:39 PM, keilanawiki keilanaw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Let's do it - I'm happy to help set it up! :)


 Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


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 Date:05/14/2015 1:23 PM (GMT-06:00)
 To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
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 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women's health articles

 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Netha Hussain 
 nethahuss...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Ryan,

  Thank you for bringing this to my notice! Could I get the link to
 the article?


 It's a little hard to find (which is actually the subject of the
 discussion): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidal_vulvovaginitis

 Wikiproject: Women's Health has been my personal dream for a long
 time, but I couldn't yet get myself working on it because of commitments
 elsewhere. :-(


 I would be happy to officially propose such a project (and help set it
 up) if there is interest from people.


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Re: [Gendergap] Women's health articles

[Sydney Poore]

Set it up and sign me up, too.

Sydney
On May 14, 2015 8:39 PM, keilanawiki keilanaw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Let's do it - I'm happy to help set it up! :)


 Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


  Original message 
 From: Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org
 Date:05/14/2015 1:23 PM (GMT-06:00)
 To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
 participation of women within Wikimedia projects. 
 gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
 Cc:
 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women's health articles

 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Netha Hussain nethahuss...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Ryan,

  Thank you for bringing this to my notice! Could I get the link to the
 article?


 It's a little hard to find (which is actually the subject of the
 discussion): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidal_vulvovaginitis

 Wikiproject: Women's Health has been my personal dream for a long time,
 but I couldn't yet get myself working on it because of commitments
 elsewhere. :-(


 I would be happy to officially propose such a project (and help set it up)
 if there is interest from people.


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Re: [Gendergap] Announcing Inspire Campaign Grantees (Carol Mooredc)

[Sydney Poore]

Hi LtPowers,
Thank you for offering a thoughtful response.

It is hard to know the motivation of the people sabotaging this particular
on campus project. But in general I agree with your comment.

I share your perspective that many young adults are opposed to treating
people differently based on race and gender especially if a direct link is
not made to an economic or other specific type of disadvantage that needs
to be addressed to level the playing field. Even then, some people will
reject any solution that targets one group over another for special
treatment believing that the solution perpetuates the problem by continuing
to treat that group differently.

It's sad but not surprising to know that some people feel so strongly about
it that they would attempt to sabotage an on campus event.

Sydney



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User:FloNight
Wikipedian in Residence
at Cochrane Collaboration

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:29 PM, LtPowers ltpowers_w...@rochester.rr.com
wrote:

  Allow me to suggest a somewhat less insidious explanation.



 Today's young adults have largely been brought up in an environment of
 egalitarianism. While we know that this environment isn't actually as
 egalitarian as it seems, and there are many privileges retained by the
 dominant demographics, today's college students by and large haven't been
 introduced to that concept yet. They're still operating under the primary
 and secondary school mindset in which boys and girls are treated (at least
 on the surface) equally.



 (Racial privilege operates similarly.)



 So young adults instinctively bristle when they see attempts to counter
 systemic bias, because a) they have never been shown that systemic bias,
 and b) they have an inherent predilection toward equal treatment. Any
 attempt to counter systemic bias (most famously affirmative action) is thus
 seen as unequal treatment and thus undesirable, unfair, or even immoral.



 It takes a concerted effort to demonstrate to (and thereby enlighten)
 members of the privileged categories that a modicum of unequal treatment is
 necessary in order to bring about a more equal society. Until that happens,
 young adults will use their newfound powers of persuasion and activism to
 rebel against any unequal treatment.



 If we view this more as a positive instinctual preference for fairness
 rather than as a negative instinctual defense of privilege, I suspect we
 might make more allies than enemies.



 Trust me -- I myself have only recently (in the last 4 years or so) come
 around to recognizing the inherent privilege my gender and race grant me.
 It is very hard to overcome the instinct to prefer equal treatment over
 unequal.





 Powers  8^]







 -Original Message-
 *From:* J Hayes [mailto:slowki...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* 05 May 2015 21:20
 *To:* Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
 participationof women within Wikimedia projects.
 *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Announcing Inspire Campaign Grantees (Carol
 Mooredc)



 the counter-flyers are like men's rights

 it's a rhetoric of role reversal

 the culture of privilege does not like to be challenged

 it must maintain a veneer, with critique muzzled

 it's more small group validation, than attempt at dialogue

 a FUD attempt to divide and conquer

 changing dominate culture to be more empathetic is a long term project.



 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
 wrote:

 Thanks for excellent comments. I should have been more specific than
 saying trashed and said the flyers were torn down, per article: The DAAP
 edit-a-thon was not met without opposition on campus, as promotional fliers
 for the event were repeatedly torn down and replaced with a satirical “Wiki
 Dudes” poster featuring Martin Luther King Jr., Jesus, Albert Einstein and
 Abraham Lincoln.

 The good news is that on so many fronts and issues, not just Wikipedia,
 women are fighting back and that's the important thing... So overall I'm an
 optimist! :-)



 On 5/4/2015 6:10 PM, Ellie K wrote:

   1. Thank you, Carol Moore dc, for writing an excellent response to what
 (I agree) was a very silly and irritating comment at the
 http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/05/01/meet-the-inspire-grantees/ post.



 2. Regarding the edit-a-thons, you said:

  Hmmm, looks like some guys even object to edit-a-thons, trashing
 their posters on campus...
 http://www.newsrecord.org/news/students-combat-gender-imbalance-online/article_fd100a5c-e13c-11e4-9d73-d3ef3275ba46.html



 Actually, the male students didn't trash the wiki women posters, but made
 and posted separate wiki dudes posters of their own.  The NewsRecord post
 said that doing so didn't constitute a Title IX violation, yet.



 I find it kind of disturbing that male students would feel the need to
 react that way, by making the wiki dudes posters. It is obvious that there
 is less coverage of women in Wikipedia than of men, and that most notable
 figures

Re: [Gendergap] Women reluctant to comment online - any relation to the WP gender gap?

[Sydney Poore]

Likely yes. Women not making public statements in the same way as men is
not isolated to Wikipedia or the internet.

The article mentions the use of a respect button in addition to) a like
button to encourage people to stop trashing other peoples opinions. The
newspaper that did this and heavily moderated trolling comments had higher
participate by women than most news comment areas.

Sydney
On May 2, 2015 8:05 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

  Could this provide any insights into women contributing to Wikipedia?




 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/23/women-are-silenced-online-just-as-in-real-life-it-will-take-more-than-twitter-to-change-that



 Kerry



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[Gendergap] Fwd:WVU Gender Wikipedian in Residence for Inspire Campaign

[Sydney Poore]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Carroll Wilkinson cwilk...@wvu.edu
Date: Apr 18, 2015 7:33 AM
Subject: Rejected email
To: Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com
Cc:

 Hello -

 Sydney's observation recently that I would appreciate comments on my
proposal to get a Wikipedian in Residence established at West Virginia
University Libraries. Is correct. I am new to the Wikipedia community so I
will benefit from feedback during the rest of April. We are excited to
begin the work of addressing the Gender Gap in Wikipedia with the resources
of the University behind us. Thank you in advance for your perspectives and
advice.

 Carroll
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Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: [wikimedia-dc-internal] Wikipedian-in-Residence at West Virginia University Libraries

[Sydney Poore]

I believe Carroll Wilkinson, the key contact at WVU, joined this mailing
list last week. I'm sure that she would like to have feedback from people
on the list about the proposal both by email and on the talk page of the
proposal.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Wikipedian_in_Residence_for_Gender_Equity

Sydney

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On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Cool!

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 From: Kirill Lokshin kirill.loks...@wikimediadc.org
 Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 11:54 AM
 Subject: [wikimedia-dc-internal] Wikipedian-in-Residence at West Virginia
 University Libraries
 To: Wikimedia DC Internal Mailing List 
 wikimedia-dc-inter...@googlegroups.com


 Hi everyone,

 FYI, West Virginia University Libraries are planning to set up a
 Wikipedian-in-Residence program focused on women and gender issues:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Wikipedian_in_Residence_for_Gender_Equity
 .

 I'm not sure whether they'll be funded by IEG, but we should reach out to
 them in any case, given that WV is technically in our region; we would
 probably want to collaborate with them in one fashion or another regardless
 of the funding situation.

 Cheers,
 Kirill

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Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and Feminism.

[Sydney Poore]

Yes, and its patronizing to write a blog post about NPOV policy directed at
the community members who organize community outreach events for feminists.

Especially condescending towards art+feminism community organizers who
brilliantly executed a well thought out plan that included pre-event
training materials and sessions, as well as materials to be used the day of
the event.

Maybe, we could assume that the people planning the events understand
Wikipedia policy and don't need to be schooled about basic policy.

The blog portrays the attitude that feminists who plan events are not true
members of the community and need special scrutiny to keep them from
ruining content.

This is exactly the type of attitude that makes Wikipedia an unwelcoming
place for people who are not part of the dominant demographic group or are
newcomers with enthusiasm for improving Wikipedia.

Sydney
User:FloNight
On Apr 9, 2015 2:30 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 I find the entire premise of this essay to be a bit misguided. Do we
 really need to worry about tamping down the trickle of feminists editing
 art articles on Wikipedia? There are easily ten times more men's rights
 activists editing Wikipedia than feminists, and they actively organize
 off-wiki to subvert NPOV. Why does no one care about that? Why not write a
 blog post about men's rights activists running meat-puppet campaigns and
 trying to white-wash articles about rape and domestic violence? If
 anything, having a handful of feminists on Wikipedia might serve to keep
 them in check.

 Also, don't revise existing articles because you feel there is a male
 bias in them.
 This is terrible advice. For example, I significantly revised the dating
 article a few years ago because it had an obvious male bias and seemed to
 be intended only for a male audience. Why should people leave articles with
 a male bias? NPOV doesn't mean leave articles with whatever bias they
 started with.

 Also, I find it strange that your article implies that feminists can't
 write from a neutral point of view. Feminism is about equality of the sexes
 and opposing stereotypes and biases. It isn't about making women look
 better than men or excluding the male point of view. I think feminists make
 great Wikipedia editors. Look at Adrianne Wadewitz: 37 featured articles! I
 would gladly take 1000 more Adrianne Wadewitzs as Wikipedia editors!

 Kaldari

 On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:23 AM, J Hayes slowki...@gmail.com wrote:

 nice wiki-splaining - the problem with your thesis:
 

 *What we don't need, however, is more feminists.*
 is labeling and the double standard of civility enforcement

 as Djembayz said at Signpost:
 the rules on Wikipedia are not clear, the enforcement on disruptive
 behavior is arbitrary or non-existent. Online game players, vulgarians, and
 sea-lioning http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/ randos who
 congregate here can be as disruptive and outrageous as they wish, with
 impunity. They don't care, because they don't have to.

 until the systemic bias in civility enforcement is dealt with, your
 thesis will be a dead letter with me.

 On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 This part of the we of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit
 Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women.

 What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are
 interested in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without
 being hindered. Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can
 be neutral without a large and inclusive body of people creating it.

 Warm regards,
 Sydney Poore
 User:FloNight
 On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia) 
 lukas.mez...@wikipedia.de wrote:

 Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list,

 My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom).

 I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism
 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Blog#2_April_2015:_A_blog_post_on_Wikipedia_and_feminism.
 and was encouraged to share it with this list.

 As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your
 comments.
 Regards,

 Lukas Mezger

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Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and Feminism.

[Sydney Poore]

This part of the we of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit
Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women.

What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are interested
in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without being
hindered. Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can be
neutral without a large and inclusive body of people creating it.

Warm regards,
Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia) 
lukas.mez...@wikipedia.de wrote:

 Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list,

 My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom).

 I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism
 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Blog#2_April_2015:_A_blog_post_on_Wikipedia_and_feminism.
 and was encouraged to share it with this list.

 As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your
 comments.
 Regards,

 Lukas Mezger

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Re: [Gendergap] A path back for day-two editors (was: Wikipedia Day NYC 2015 mini-conferenceh for te project's 14th birthday)

[Sydney Poore]

I agree with Christine. There is good work being done as learning has taken
place about the strengths and weaknesses of edit-a-thons.

Because it has been know for a few years that one off edit-a-thons create
content but don't grow new users, now many people have been experimenting
with different ways to use edit-a-thons other than editor recruitment.
Having an edit-a-thon on a specific topic can increase the quantity and
quality of content on that topic even if the people never edit again. And
the people leave with a better understanding of Wikipedia and the behind
the scene working or the community that seem very mysterious to the outside
world.

And also regular meet ups to edit like WikiSalons or /Wiki Editing Clubs
are being tried in as a way to create a stable group of people who enjoy
editing together. These people are true Wikipedians even thought they might
not be high volume users. The can fill a needed niche in Wikipedia
especially if they are editing about topics that are under represented on
Wikipedia or they have an alternative perspective than the average
Wikipedian.

I'm launching an editing club in the topic area of oral health soon.
Because I always mention gender in my Cochrane Collaboration presentations
the women who edit in these clubs know that they are helping to balance the
gender gap on Wikipedia even though that was not their primary reason for
editing.Like most outside organizations Cochrane is at least 50% women. So
by doing these initiatives we are automatically helping the gender gap.
They see this aspect as an added benefit of our collaboration.

Sydney



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On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:11 AM, Christine Meyer christinewme...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Kerry and all,

 I've been thinking about much of what you wrote.  Being in this list has
 made me think about how to recruit and retain more female editors.  I
 attended Emily's training about how to conduct workshops and edit-athons in
 Washington, D.C. last fall, which was a very valuable experience.  Many
 things germinated during the training, including Rosiestep's creation of
 the Women Writers Project (I'm proud to say that I was present, in the same
 room, when she created it) and the planning stages of the GA Cup, which was
 hugely successful.  There was an off-hand remark made during the training
 that I think all the edit-athons and workshops that have occurred since has
 borne out--that the most successful edit-athons in terms of recruiting new
 editors have been reoccurring.

 I wonder if the answer is the creation of editing clubs, something that
 has been discussed here before.  The reason I'm thinking this way is that
 I'm preparing an educational session I'm leading at the end of April, at
 the District 9 Toastmasters spring conference in Yakima, Washington.  (I'm
 a very active Toastmaster, like I'm a very active Wikipedian.)  It won't be
 a workshop about how to edit WP, but a more general session about how to
 more effectively use WP to write speeches, although I am providing
 participants with a resource list about editing.  So I've been thinking
 about how being a Toastmaster has made me a better WP editor, and how being
 an editor has made me a better Toastmaster.

 I'm starting to believe that a more effective way to recruit editors is to
 create clubs like Toastmasters, which meet regularly (once or twice a
 month) and have a core of 7 or 8 people.  TM states that 20 members make a
 healthy club, and they should know; they've been in existence for 90
 years.  I agree that editors are born, not made.  (Which is ironic, because
 TM's tag line is, Where leaders are made.)  Editing clubs, though, are
 ways to find those folks, and to mentor them through the complex WP
 policies.  If they exist on college campuses, they can be folded into the
 university's existing club structure.  They can, like TM clubs, be held in
 church basements or in hotel conference rooms or in hospital meeting rooms.

 I get what you say about experienced editors have little patience with the
 bungling newbies.  However, if it weren't for a few more experienced
 editors who mentored me through my bungling stage, I probably wouldn't be
 here today.  Adrienne Wadewitz, btw, was one of them.  I think that we, as
 experienced editors, have a responsibility to mentor newbies--to pay it
 forward like others helped us when we were newbies.  Shoot, I still need
 it.  For example, I'd say that I'm a very experienced editor, and I'm
 stupid when it comes to creating tables.  I'm getting assistance with that
 as we speak, in my most recent FLC (
 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates/List_of_Sesame_Street_Muppets/archive1redirect=no
 ).

 Anyway, that's what I've been thinking.

 Christine
 User: Figureskatingfan


 On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com
 wrote:

   Certainly my own experience with edit

Re: [Gendergap] Progress of Inspire Grants – Gender gap campaign

[Sydney Poore]

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire

Main page for campaign.

Sydney
On Mar 23, 2015 8:07 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 Would someone like to summarize how the campaign is doing now it is
 (presumably) half way through?

 From the IdeaLab page[1] there is a week left before the proposals
 part of the campaign closes on the 1st April, with the expectation
 that 100 ideas will be created. This deadline might be the wrong one
 though, as the notice on the main PEG page[2] says the campaign is
 open February 1 - April 30.

 I admit to being confused by the structure on meta. After following
 the links for the Inspire campaign, I cannot find a list of gender gap
 related proposals open for community feedback and support. Perhaps
 someone could point me in the right direction, or create a listing
 page if it does not exist?

 Links
 1.
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire_Grants_%E2%80%93_Gender_gap_campaign#Measures_of_success
 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants:PEGoldid=11234142

 Thanks,
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Re: [Gendergap] Help write an article about American Airlines' first female commercial pilot

[Sydney Poore]

Hi Jodi,

The article is looking good.

I deleted the re-direct. You can do a page move into mainspace when you are
ready.

I think that it will make a great DYK!

Sydney



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On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Jodi Schneider jschnei...@pobox.com
wrote:

 In 1973, Bonnie Tiburzi became the first female pilot for a major
 commercial airline in the US. Her article redirects to AA.

 Want to help fix that? Here's a draft that needs improvement:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bonnie_Tiburzi

 -Jodi

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Re: [Gendergap] Computational Linguistics Reveals How Wikipedia Articles Are Biased Against Women

[Sydney Poore]

Hi, I think that there is a problem of not creating articles about women
who are notable in there own right but are mentioned in articles of family
members.

It is not uncommon to do use Wikipedias search for a notable woman and find
a mention of their name in articles about a family member. It can happen
the other way too, but I think there is still more of a a bias towards
thinking woman who are notable are daughters or wives of notable men and
looking for that link.

So, I encourage everyone to look for the link both ways equally.

Sydney
On Feb 4, 2015 7:07 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I think this one is worth looking beyond the headline.

 There are two specific areas where we fail, in the language we use when we
 write about women and in the relative lack of links to articles on women.

 The two areas where the study indicates we are doing OK are the two where
 we have put in a lot of work over recent years, covering the men and women
 in the same ratio as those benchmark sites, and putting women on the main
 page. Of course those areas are only OK if we accept that our task as a
 tertiary source is to reflect but not magnify the skews in the secondary
 sources.

 it would be good to know if the relative paucity of links to articles on
 women was simply down to fewer of the mentions of women being linked, or we
 had a deeper problem in that women were less likely to be mentioned in
 other articles. One problem is rather easier to fix than another, as a
 community we have been looking for new entry level tasks for some time,
 and adding more links to underlined articles could easily be one of them.
 Especially if we can get lists of articles with few incoming links but
 multiple other articles that appear to mention the subject. I think I'll
 file a bot request for that.

 Regards

 Jonathan/WereSpielChequers


  On 2 Feb 2015, at 22:12, Rob gamali...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  MIT Technology Review: Despite well-publicized efforts to promote
  equality, Wikipedia articles are deeply biased against women, say
  computer scientists who have analysed six different language versions
  of the online encyclopedia.
 
 
 http://www.technologyreview.com/view/534616/computational-linguistics-reveals-how-wikipedia-articles-are-biased-against-women/
 
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Re: [Gendergap] Thank someone today.

[Sydney Poore]

I agree. I'm especially thrilled when someone notices an article about a
notable woman and thanks me for creating it. I usually thank them back!!!

Can't have too much wikilove!

Sydney
On Feb 4, 2015 7:12 PM, Keilana keilanaw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I love the thanks button, it's such an easy way to add more positivity to
 the wiki and the world. :)

 On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Katherine Casey 
 fluffernutter.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have found myself using the thank button more than usual recently. In
 the middle of all the turmoil that goes on onwiki, a simple hey, that
 thing you did that you thought no one noticed? Yeah, thanks for doing that
 goes a long way toward cancelling some of it out.

 On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:52 PM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree, Kerry. I try to use the thank button at least once a day.

 Lightbreather

 On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 We talk a lot of about the culture of Wikipedia being negative,
 critical,
 abrasive etc; this is a turn-off to a lot of women (and also to a lot of
 men). But what can we do to change that? Well, I thought about the way
 that
 postings get Liked on Facebook. Indeed, most postings get many Likes on
 Facebook. It seems if you read something and appreciate the post in any
 way
 (which includes when you agree with the poster that it is unhappy
 matter and
 hence unlikeable matter), you click Like.

 Well, I decided to try it on Wikipedia. Now, when I run through my
 watchlist
 (which I do most mornings), instead of just looking for what's wrong and
 needs to be fixed, instead if I see a positive contribution to an
 article,
 even a small one, I thank the contributor for the edit.

 And if I notice I am thanking someone quite a bit, I send them some
 Wikilove
 or a Barnstar. I notice a small increase in the number of thanks I am
 receiving. While I realise this may be simple reciprocation, I'd like to
 think I might be creating a small culture of appreciation in my topic
 space,
 hoping that people choose to Pay It Forward.

 So, that's my suggestion. Try thanking people on-wiki in the various
 ways
 available.  Become part of the niceness culture that we'd like
 Wikipedia to
 become known for.

 Kerry



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Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case

[Sydney Poore]

I largely agree with Sarah.

After several years taking a break from using the Checkuser tool, in early
January I decided to actively join the the team again. So, I read all the
active ArbCom cases to familarize myself with the current controversies on
Wikipedia. During my reading of the GamerGate controversy evidence,
workshop, and proposed decison I never saw this case as people who were
feminists or strong advocates for eliminating systemic bias in Wikipedia.
So, I was shocked to see it being reported that ArbCom was purging
feminists!

This is not the first dispute that has been imported into Wikipedia
English, but it is one of the biggest and worst. Right now the people who
have reported on GamerGate in the media for months are reporting on the
ArbCom case. Some of these people have pretty entrenched points of view.
This is true of both sides.

The issue of off site harassment that is happening to Wikipedia editors. is
something that need to be addressed in a broader way and not put on ArbCom to
fix because that is beyond their ability to investigate and resolve. If you
are being harassed take Sarah's advice and take a break and find something
off or on wiki to do that feeds your soul.. Life is too short to let
Wikipedia ruin your life.


There are some reasonable people who are working to keep violations of BLP
out of the articles and off the talk pages and stop the constant fighting.
These people are not getting sanctioned. I truly appreciate the work that
they are doing in the face of the harassment and negative publicity in the
media.


Sydney

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On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I am now on digest mode with this mailing list. The traffic is often too
 much for me and the voice of this list is frustrating for me
 sometimes..so... remember that please :)
 ---

 I have been asked to share my thoughts by many people this morning on the
 internet, here they are:

 I have been editing Wikipedia for ten years and i have no clue what has
 been going on with the feminist/gamergate thing. As one of the more well
 known female editors i have cut back heavily on my involvement after last
 year. I don't know any of the editors, personally, who went to court but
 I have seen this stuff happen to both sides in men's rights articles in the
 past.

 After reviewing the Arbcom case, I don't even know who got the idea that
 any of the contributing editors are feminist, per se. No one even mentions
 the word, except once, when describing a subject that was slandered in
 the gamer gate article(s).

 I also don't think that the edits made to the article are overwhelmingly
 feminist in nature. It appears to be just a bunch of people editing the
 Wikipedia article to protect it from being a hot mess of 4chan junk.

 Note: most of the in trouble editor's aren't that productive at
 contributing feminist content to Wikipedia. I have interacted with only
 four of them - Black Kite, Future Perfect at Sunrise, TarainDC and Bilby -
 only one is a female in real life and I know her from GLAM editing
 projects. She is the only one that I know who has actively edited feminist
 topics prior to this. I actually consider Bilby an ally, but, I have never
 heard him or any of the other editors blatantly identify themselves as
 feminists.

 From what I know, only one of the editors on the entire trial list
 identifies out as a female.

 So, it appears a bunch of editors trying to keep the article clean had to
 run through the gauntlet. I don't think the end of the world has come to
 any of their lives - they have plenty of other subjects of interest to keep
 them busy on Wikipedia.

 I also think people invest *too much* into Wikipedia to where it's what
 they live for..per se. I see a lot of that in this case, and many others
 that go to court on Wikipedia. I stopped participating on Wikipedia when
 it screwed up my personal life so much, and I lost sleep over it. So...
 that's my advice to anyone involved in that Arbcom case :) Go on vacation
 and get another hobby and edit Wikipedia when you feel like it. It isn't
 life. It's just an encyclopedia.

 Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] FYI - another trolling? Fwd: Google Groups: You've been added to Wikimedia-l

[Sydney Poore]

yes, I've been subscribed several time to it over the past few days.

Sydney

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On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Another trolling I think. A Wikimedia Lesbians group this time.
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: toby.dollmann (Google Groups) 
 wikimedia-l+nore...@googlegroups.com
 Date: Jan 9, 2015 10:36 AM
 Subject: Google Groups: You've been added to Wikimedia-l
 To: sarah.stie...@gmail.com
 Cc:

 Some disturbing news entered my mailbox the past days. The grant
 making team is going to shut down the grantmaking process for Project and
 Event Grants (PEG) and Individual Engagement Grants (IEG) for three full
 months!

 They have decided that they want to focus only on a specific strategic
 priority: the gender gap, and that all other good projects are refused for
 3 months (February-April)

 Good projects to be ignored, just because the WMF think those are less
 important. They say this is a positive campaign, but this sounds as a
 negative campaign to me. This discourages many volunteers in doing
 projects.With increasing vandalism and disruption the WMF seems looking to
 close some mailing lists for lack of volunteers. This is a negative signal
 to all those volunteers who are currently working on project plans.

 As LGBT related proposals will presumably be amongst the first to be
 rejected, a small actively moderated external mailing list for action is
 formed of engaged Wikimedians.

 About this group:

 A group for Wikimedian Lesbians
 The owner of the group has set your subscription type as Email,
 meaning that you'll receive a copy of every message posted to the group as
 they are posted.  Visit This Group
 http://groups.google.com/d/forum/wikimedia-l?hl=en
  [image: Visit Google Groups] https://groups.google.com/?hl=en

 Start your own group http://groups.google.com/d/creategroup?hl=en, 
 unsubscribe
 from this group
 http://groups.google.com/d/forum/wikimedia-l/unsubscribe/P7gvqhQAAABonccx-O4-0bg_FUisIR3XFNjJ6aDtACudYo8Pf2wyCQ?hl=en,
 or stop invitations like this http://groups.google.com/d/optout?hl=en.
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [Wiki-research-l] Wikimedia Research showcase – October 15 2014, 11.30 PT

[Sydney Poore]

Reminder about the Research Showcase today that has an discussion of *Emotions
under Discussion: Gender, Status and Communication in Wikipedia.*
Sydney Poore
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at Cochrane Collaboration

-- Forwarded message --
From: Dario Taraborelli dtarabore...@wikimedia.org
Date: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:26 AM
Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Wikimedia Research showcase – October 15 2014,
11.30 PT
To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities 
wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org, A mailing list for the Analytics
Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and analytics. 
analyt...@lists.wikimedia.org


After a break in September, we’re resuming our monthly Research and Data
showcase
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Research_and_Data/Showcase. The
next showcase will be live-streamed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyXqKa0hng tomorrow *Wednesday October
15 at 11.30 PT*. As usual you can join the conversation via IRC on
freenode.net by joining the #wikimedia-research channel.

We look forward to seeing you there,

Dario


This month:

*Emotions under Discussion: Gender, Status and Communication in
Wikipedia**By David
Laniado https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sdivad*: I will present a
large-scale analysis of emotional expression and communication style of
editors in Wikipedia discussions. The talk will focus especially on how
emotion and dialogue differ depending on the status, gender, and the
communication network of the about 12000 editors who have written at least
100 comments on the English Wikipedia's article talk pages. The analysis is
based on three different predefined lexicon-based methods for quantifying
emotions: ANEW, LIWC and SentiStrength. The results unveil significant
differences in the emotional expression and communication style of editors
according to their status and gender, and can help to address issues such
as gender gap and editor stagnation.
*Wikipedia as a socio-technical system**By Aaron Halfaker
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Halfak_(WMF)*: Wikipedia is a
*socio-technical* system. In this presentation, I'll explain how the
integration of human collective behavior (social) and information
technology (technical) has lead to a phenomena that, while being
massively productive, is poorly understood due to lack of precedence. Based
on my work in this area, I'll describe five critical functions that
healthy, Wikipedia-like socio-technical systems must serve in order to
continue to function: allocation, regulation, quality control, community
management and reflection. Next I'll argue the Wikimedia Foundation's
analytics strategy currently focuses on outcomes related to a relatively
narrow aspect of system health and all but completely ignores productivity.
Finally, I'll conclude with an overview of three classes of new projects
that should provide critical opportunities to both practically and
academically understand the maintenance of Wikipedia's socio-technical
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[Gendergap] The Insane Double Standard for Women Working in Tech

[Sydney Poore]

This article is interesting and relevant to the gender gap issue on
Wikipedia.
Sydney

The Insane Double Standard for Women Working in Tech
http://www.inc.com/kimberly-weisul/insane-double-standard-for-tech-women.html
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Re: [Gendergap] The Insane Double Standard for Women Working in Tech

[Sydney Poore]

Here is a better article about in Fortune.

http://fortune.com/2014/08/26/performance-review-gender-bias/

Sydney

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On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote:

 This article is interesting and relevant to the gender gap issue on
 Wikipedia.
 Sydney

 The Insane Double Standard for Women Working in Tech

 http://www.inc.com/kimberly-weisul/insane-double-standard-for-tech-women.html

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Re: [Gendergap] Hi Gender Gap list

[Sydney Poore]

Welcome, Georgia. :-)

Looks interesting. I'll be sure to check it all out.

Sydney

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On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Georgia Guthrie geor...@thehacktory.org
wrote:

 Hi there,
 I'm messaging from Philadelphia, where I've been the director of a small
 hackerspace named The Hacktory for a number of years. We've developed a
 devoted if small following that has a good gender balance, and we continue
 to attract people of different genders who value gender equality and
 diversity. I attended Adacamp DC two summers ago and thought it was
 awesome, and I've really enjoyed the posts Sumana Harihareswara on the
 Adacamp list has been sharing about her own reflections on the Gender Gap
 issue.

 At The Hacktory we also developed a workshop we call Hacking the Gender
 Gap to help people talk and understand the Gender Gap, which is been well
 received in  a number of
 technical and community groups. This also lead to me being invited to
 write about the topic for Make:Zine (Make Magazine's online blog) and r
 recently in their print magazine:
 http://makezine.com/magazine/make-40/where-are-the-women/

 I've found an overwhelming interest in this topic in our local community
 and visitors to The Hacktory, and I try to point them towards other
 resources
 and sources as much as possible. I'm very interested to be part of the
 discussion here for that reason but also to keep tabs on the conversation
 in general.

 Look forward to hearing more,
 Best,
 Georgia



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 (215) 650-7295
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Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)

[Sydney Poore]

 for other demographics)
 * there would be a limit to how many cases an arbitrator could ask for
in a certain time period (I actually envisage it being more like a cross
between jury service and those user talk page notices that there is a
discussion taking place somewhere

 These might be more technically difficult:
 * cases would only go to arbitrators whose edit history is generally in
a different subject area - so someone complaining about a dispute about a
particular scientific point would have their complaint go to an arbitrator
whose edit history is in, say, historical BLPs
 * a limit to the number of times you could go through the arbitration
process with the same case

 Cases would only go forward for administrators to get involved with if
enough arbitrators agreed that it merited being put forward.


  On a slightly different note:
 Everyone seems to be mentioning the different ways in which the rules
are applied to male vs. female editors. Is it possible to run a query or
get hold of statistics for the average length of time female editors get
blocked for, versus how long male editors are blocked for? Perhaps a table
that takes account of the editors' participation levels prior to the block?

 Marie


  Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 21:23:18 -0400
  From: carolmoor...@verizon.net
  To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
  Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)

 
  When I was a little girl in the 1950s and 60s we were told to be
passive
  and pray for what we wanted. Thank heavens self-actualization and
womens
  liberation came along and we discovered well-behaved women seldom
make
  history. (Nicely covered at
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurel_Thatcher_Ulrich )
 
  If we want the guys to change we gotta keep busting their chops about
  being civil, within the limits of civility of course. On a one on one
  basis, day after day after day. And even though no matter how civil we
  are, SOME of them still will think it is we who are being uncivil.
 
  It's a dirty job, but it's gotta be done.
 
  And the more guys who help promote civility and are willing to counter
  the good-old-boy mentality, the better... :-)
 
  On 7/3/2014 3:18 PM, Sydney Poore wrote:
   There was an attempt to address the civility problem on Wikipedia
   English with a top down approach at the very start of Sue Gardner's
   time at WMF. Sue, Jimmy Wales, myself, and a group of half dozen
other
   people talked about it in a closed group. It failed because a top
down
   approach is not effective on Wikipedia because policies can not be
   enforced from the top. Policies need to be made that a large part of
   the community agrees at proper and enforceable.
  
   I would be willing to assist a group that wants to take another run
at
   it. But there are significant challenges with enforcing a civility
   policy on a global community where cultural norms differ at great
   deal. So, we need to be careful that an attempt to assist one group
of
   users does not make it harder for other groups of people who are
also
   under represented on Wikipedia English.
  
 
 
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Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)

[Sydney Poore]

There was an attempt to address the civility problem on Wikipedia English
with a top down approach at the very start of Sue Gardner's time at WMF.
Sue, Jimmy Wales, myself, and a group of half dozen other people talked
about it in a closed group. It failed because a top down approach is not
effective on Wikipedia because policies can not be enforced from the top.
Policies need to be made that a large part of the community agrees at
proper and enforceable.

I would be willing to assist a group that wants to take another run at it.
But there are significant challenges with enforcing a civility policy on a
global community where cultural norms differ at great deal. So, we need to
be careful that an attempt to assist one group of users does not make it
harder for other groups of people who are also under represented on
Wikipedia English.

Sydney

Sydney

Sydney

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at Cochrane Collaboration


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Leigh Honeywell le...@hypatia.ca wrote:

 The more I hear about this, the more I think this is something that
 WMF needs to address at an institutional level (Board etc.) to resolve
 these process issues and loopholes. Has this ever been taken up the
 chain?

 -Leigh

 On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:
  On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
  You know, I sat on Arbcom for five years, and there were several
 occasions
  when I practically begged those complaining about the behaviour of
 certain
  individuals to initiate a casebut nobody wanted to do that...
 
 
  Well, you know I did actually take one of the worst misogynists on
 en.wiki
  to ArbCom,[1] and it was such a horrible experience that I decided to
 never
  do it again. After giving up a month of my life to the case and enduring
  constant harassment during the process, all of the evidence that I
  painstakingly assembled, presented, and defended was completely ignored
 by
  ArbCom, and instead he was banned for a year for making a legal threat.
 He
  is now free to return on the condition that he simply agrees not to make
 any
  more legal threats. You were actually on that ArbCom panel, Risker, so I
  don't really understand your argument that taking incivil editors to
 ArbCom
  is a good idea. To me it is worse than a waste of effort, it is actually
  counterproductive and an invitation to be relentlessly harassed.
 
  1.
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Alastair_Haines_2oldid=360884518
 
  Ryan Kaldari
 
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Re: [Gendergap] A cautionary tale

[Sydney Poore]

I agree with Ryan that the wiki etiquette board was not helpful in many
situations largely because people who regularly patrol the board are often
people formerly brought to the board with issues about civility. While the
average editor stays away from this area. So often the discussions are less
productive than the average discussion on Wikipedia.

Sydney
On Jun 23, 2014 2:19 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Derric Atzrott 
 datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote:

 * bring back Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance since women may not want to
 got to WP:ANI for low grade constant nonsense

 Would support wholeheartedly.

 The problem with Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance was the same as the
 problem with AN/I. As soon as someone took a complaint to
 Wikiquette_assistance people like Baseball Bugs would make fun of them for
 being too sensitive and it would basically turn into forum for criticizing
 the person who complained. No one at Wikiquette_assistance took complaints
 seriously, so it just ended up making things more frustrating for the
 person who was being harassed.

 If we want a forum that is more effective, I think we should adopt some of
 the ideas from the Teahouse. Primarily, by having the responders be vetted
 volunteers that are expected to provide a minimum level of helpfulness. All
 the peanut gallery responders who are just there for the lulz should be
 banned.

 Ryan Kaldari


 On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Derric Atzrott 
 datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote:

 * bring back Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance since women may not want to
 got to WP:ANI for low grade constant nonsense

 Would support wholeheartedly.

 * take complaints about harassment in general more seriously

 Also would support wholeheartedly.

 * Have a class action Arbitration on Sexism/Double standards so that
 discretionary sanctions could be imposed on obvious incidents

 Strong support.

 * (new one) quota of 1/3 women admins and 1/3 women arbitrators (and
 other positions?)

 I’m not sure this would be enforceable, but I would highly support
 encouraging more women to take up these positions.  The process for
 becoming an admin or arbitrator really needs some work as well.  From what
 I understand becoming an admin is hellish.  People dig through everything
 you’ve ever done and call you out on anything going all the way back to the
 beginning of time.  It might not actually be that way, I’ve not really
 participated in them, but if it is, that is a problem and probably a big
 deterrent to a great deal of folks.

 * (new one) A GenderGap wikiproject on every wiki, since it can be
 troublesome having to go all the way to
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap to contact women about what to
 do with specific issues; (wikiprojects like feminism and gender and womens
 studies more article and policy related than recruitment and problem
 solving related)

 Would support.  Given that many people don’t ever leave their homewiki,
 and a lot of new people probably don’t even know Meta exists, this could be
 highly beneficial.

 The archives probably have other early suggestions by women I've
 forgotten.  Now a days the only alternatives seem to be doing studies,
 counting numbers, posting mainstream media articles about what Wikipedia is
 allegedly doing and links to problematic articles.

 Not enough to solve the problem.

 Studies are useful.  This particular study shows promise I think:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Women_and_Wikipedia For
 allies these sorts of things help us understand what we are actually trying
 to accomplish and metrics are useful for determining if we’ve actually made
 any progress.  It is hard to quantitatively measure a culture though.  This
 sort of research also publicises the problem, which is something that there
 can never be enough of I think.

 Maybe it would be worth making threads for some of these ideas.  If no
 one else does, I’d be happy to.

 Thank you,
 Derric Atzrott

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Re: [Gendergap] A reason to celebrate

[Sydney Poore]

I truly appreciate your work on this and related articles. They stand out
as an example of the high quality of work that Wikipedians can produce.

Warm regards,
Sydney
On Jun 9, 2014 1:16 AM, Christine Meyer christinewme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 Yes, I'm responsible for the Angelou article.  I must say, when I saw the
 view counts in the Signpost, I was overwhelmed and honored that for my part
 in bringing Dr. Angelou's bio article, as well as all seven of her
 autobiographies, the list of her works, and articles about her poetry and
 themes in her autobiographies, all to FA status.  I also feel proud that
 the English WP honored this great artist with high-quality articles when
 the world most needed them.

 Like with the other article you mentioned, the Angelou articles all had
 Adedewit's influence.  Early in my WP editing career, way back in 2007, she
 mentored me.  She (along with User:Scartol) basically led me by the hand
 through the article development process  as we worked on [[I Know Why the
 Caged Bird Sings]], Angelou's first autobiography.  She taught me how to do
 research, gather sources, write scholarly, and find appropriate images.  I
 remember going to her talk page at one point, and freaking out because I
 felt overwhelmed by the fact that here I was, a middle-aged white woman
 from the West Coast, trying to write about racism and childhood rape.  She
 was very calm with me and told me, Well, you took this on and now you need
 to finish it.  Which eventually I did.  We suffered a terrible loss this
 year.

 I'm thankful for being exposed to the life and writings of Dr. Angelou,
 something I wouldn't have done if it weren't for WP.  Millions of people
 looked at something that I basically wrote, and that's incredible to me.
  It makes all the gender gap garbage we go through worth it.

 Christine/Figureskatingfan.


 On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

 Hi Risker,

 That is awesome!  I was really pleased to see that too.  Thanks to
 everyone who worked on the two articles!

 On a somewhat related note, I started a twitter account this week (as a
 minor side project) to tweet about notable women on their birthdays with
 their Wikipedia articles to raise awareness:
 https://twitter.com/sis_ninja. If anyone on this list have particular
 Wikipedia articles that you would like to be included, please shoot me an
 email.

 Best,
 Yana


 On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Looking at the Signpost today, I was really pleased and pleasantly
 surprised to discover that the top two most-viewed articles this past week
 were biographical articles about women.  Not only that, they were both
 featured articles, so our reading public got a really good, informative
 article.


 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-06-04/Traffic_report

 A thank you to Christine for the Maya Angelou article, and to Sage Ross
 (with support from Awadewit) for the Rachel Carson article.

 Risker/Anne

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[Gendergap] Asking for volunteers to help assess the WMF FDC Proposal.

[Sydney Poore]

Hello,

I want to encourage people on this mailing list to volunteer to assess the
Wikimedia Foundation's draft of the annual plan that is now in the review
phase with the Fund Dissemination Committee. I've included a forwarded
email from Sue Gardner that gives an overview of the this year's process
for drafting the WMF annual plan.

In addition to the general community review, the Fund Dissemination
Committee is looking for members of the community to do a through assess of
all or part of the draft WMF proposal that is submitted on Meta as part of
Round 2 proposals.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/Wikimedia_Foundation/Proposal_form

As an experiment we are having a team of people do a review of the  WMF
proposal that is similar to the Staff Assessment that is done by the WMF
staff that support the FDC. We would like to include people from the
community at large as well as people in both large and small WMF chapters,
and thematic organizations.

In addition to a general call for help, we will be directly asking people
to help. If you know of anyone who would be a good fit for this work, or
would like to help yourself, let me know. We need to get moving on this
work right away, so send me names by next Monday April 14.

Additionally, the talk pages of all Round 2 proposals are available for
comments. The organizations writing the proposals spend a good bit of time
writing them, and appreciate comments about them from the community.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2

Warm regards,
Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Member of FDC

-- Forwarded message --
From: Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org
Date: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:05 PM
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hey folks,

The purpose of this note is to remind you that the WMF will be
participating in the FDC Process Round 2, which begins tomorrow. I'd
like to invite you to comment on the plan-in-progress, which will be
at this URL within about 24 hours:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/Wikimedia_Foundation/Proposal_form

The WMF welcomes your thoughts on the draft plan. Of course you're
free to ask questions and make comments on whatever aspects of it
interest you, but we'd probably find high-level input the most useful.
Does it seem to you that the WMF's 2014-15 planning is generally on
the right track? Do you believe the four crucial initiatives as
described in the draft are where the WMF should be focusing its
energy? What do you think about our plans WRT the technical
infrastructure, our mobile work, editor engagement, and non-technical
movement support? Bearing in mind that we're an organization focused
fairly narrowly on product  engineering and on grantmaking, is there
anything really significant that you see as missing from the draft?
Are we missing any important risks to the organization or to the
movement overall?

Please don't reply here, because your input might get missed by the
people who should see it. Please reply on meta, at the link above.

And a few explanatory caveats:

First, it's important to know that the plan, at this point, is draft.
That's new. Last year the WMF submitted material after it had been
approved by the WMF Board and after the fiscal year had begun. That
was an okay first step to getting input from community members, but
obviously the input will have more impact if we get it before the
plan's locked down. That's why this year we're submitting a draft
version of the WMF plan, rather than a final version. We've
deliberately synched up the timing of the WMF planning and FDC review
processes such that the community/FDC input will come in during April
and early May, which is exactly when the plan is being actively
refined and revised on a near-daily basis by the team responsible for
it (primarily the C-level people, and also the people who work in
their departments).The benefit of this timing is that community/FDC
input can easily be incorporated into our thinking while we're
actively discussing and rethinking and revising internally at the WMF.
The drawback is it means you'll be reviewing material that is still a
work-in-progress, and so you may find mistakes. The plan may also be a
little confusing, which is partly because it's still in-progress, and
also partly because we are merging this year the original
WMF-Board-only format with the FDC proposal requirements. It'll be a
little clunky: we ask you to bear with us as we work out the kinks.

Second. You'll need to bear with us if we seem a little slow or
unresponsive during the discussions. It's a busy time for the WMF:
we're currently actively recruiting my successor as ED, which means
Erik, Geoff, Gayle and I are far busier than we normally would be.
And, the WMF will be working through roles-and-responsibilities for
the FDC process in real time during

Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Edit-a-thon for editing articles on violence against women

[Sydney Poore]

Hi there Rohini,

This sounds like a great idea. I plan to participate too remotely. And I'll
be happy to be a resource to help people figure out if specific content
meets the content policy and guidelines on Wikipedia English. Or help them
to rewrite it so that it does.
Warm regards,
Sydney Poore
User:FloNight






On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Rohini Lakshané roh...@wikimedia.in wrote:

 This weekend I'm remotely participating in an edit-a-thon for editing
 articles pertaining to violence against women. (The text of the event
 announcement is attached.) Has anyone else conducted or participated in
 events specific to articles on violence against women, sexual violence,
 sexual harassment, and similar topics? I'd like to hear your experiences.

 Regards,
 Rohini
 --
 Chairperson (Special Interest Group), Gender gap,
 Wikimedia Chapter (India)


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Rohini Lakshané roh...@wikimedia.in
 Date: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:00 PM
 Subject: Wikipedia edit-a-thon on Dec 7-8 in Delhi for articles on
 violence against women
 To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org


 Breakthrough, a global human rights organisation that runs campaigns such
 as Bell Bajao, and Wikimedia Chapter (India) are conducting a Wikipedia
 edit-a-thon in Delhi on December 7 and 8 for editing articles pertaining to
 violence against women. Facebook page of the event:
 http://www.facebook.com/events/181325168737101

 *Basic idea behind this session*:  A crucial problem with several
 Wikipedia articles on sexual violence, especially in the Indian context, is
 that often there are no articles or that articles have been deleted. It
 would be a knowledge advocacy session to increase gender sensitive editing
 in Wikipedia.

 The session will involve editing of articles pertaining to various aspects
 of violence against women in India. A list of about 10 Wikipedia articles
 has been drawn up for editing.  The session will be live-blogged. Remote
 participation will be enabled through IRC channels.

 The edit-a-thon is a part of the 16 days of activism against gender based
 violence starting 25th November (International Day for the Elimination of
 Violence against Women) to 10 December (International Human Rights Day).
 This is a global campaign that aims at raising awareness about gender-based
 violence as a human rights issue. This hackathon will be mainly focussed
 towards data visualisation and several organisations are providing us with
 statistical datasets and other kinds of data including audio and video.
 --
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Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

[Sydney Poore]

Hi ,

Today I began the discussion about establishing a Wikimedia Foundation
affiliated user group around the topic of addressing the gender gap in
Wikimedia Foundation projects. I see this as being an international
organization where people from all over the world can work together on this
common cause.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gender_gap_strategy_2013#Establishing_a_WMF-affiliated_user_group

The threshold for being recognized is pretty low., only 3 people, but I
would not want to go for affiliation with less than 10 interested people.
And I hope we can attract many many more.

I plan to discuss this in Berlin at the Diversity Conference but want to
make it clear that the organization is open to every one interested in
actively working on the topic. So please spread the word.

I put a sign up space in the thread so we can capture the initial interest
that came out of this thread.

One of the key discussion will be the name of the group. So everyone put
their thinking caps on so we can make this decision within the next month
of so.

Sydney Poore


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Sydney sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote:
  Yes, with the narrowing focus last year the community will need to take
 the
  lead. But from the meeting earlier this year it is clear that there
  definitely is talented people on staff at WMF who are more than willing
 to
  assist as their time permits.


 That's unfortunate. I understood the narrowing focus to mean not
 placing WMF offices and contractors around the world, or doing sort of
 boots on the ground face to face outreach. Since usability initiatives
 and some other programs are still ongoing, it seems like the gender
 gap should've stayed on the table for direct involvement even if not
 through the vehicle of the fellowship program. Too bad.

 That said, there are chapters who receive hundreds of thousands of
 dollars in funding from the FDC despite having objectively achieved
 very little to date; certainly that means there is an opportunity
 there for people with an interest in dedicating themselves full time
 to this work to be compensated fairly through a funded WMF affiliate.

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Re: [Gendergap] Chemical Heritage Foundation's new Wikipedian in Residence

[Sydney Poore]

Very awesome news!!

Sydney

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote:

 It's official! The Chemical Heritage Foundation in Philadelphia,
 Pennsylvania, has a Wikipedian in Residence...and it's a woman! They told
 me it's official, and encouraged me to share the news (it's not online
 yet).

 This marks, as far as I know, the third woman Wikipedian in Residence in
 the US! I'm so pleased. She's active in some great women's history projects
 too:

 https://twitter.com/MMOckerbloom

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mary_Mark_Ockerbloom

 I'm so pleased with this decision! I know she has interested in doing
 women's history stuff in relation to chemistry - so yay, more work for
 WikiProject Women scientists :) I'm hoping I can get her to join this list!

 -Sarah


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Re: [Gendergap] Please welcome Liz Kent Leon, our new co-moderator

[Sydney Poore]

Thank you Liz for volunteering for the extra job.

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight


On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote:

  Hi everyone,

 Please welcome Liz Kent Leon, our new co-moderator of the gender gap list.

 Liz is a librarian at Sweet Brian College, a small women's college in
 Virginia. She started, and continues to maintain Gifts of Speech[1], the
 world's largest, free, online, collection of full-text speeches by women in
 the world. She's active on social media, tweeting[2] about women's issues
 and maintaining Sweet Briar's Gender Studies Facebook page. She
 participated in the recent THATcamp Feminism events and has participated in
 the National Women's Studies Association conference.

 She started editing Wikipedia in 2008, and has written two articles in the
 process. She's been an active member of the Women's Studies Email List and
 brings her experience from that list with her to help co-moderate Gender
 Gap-L.

 Welcome co-moderator Liz, and thank you for volunteering.

 -Sarah


 [1] http://gos.sbc.edu/
 [2] https://twitter.com/LizLintonKent

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Re: [Gendergap] Final WikiWomen's Collaborative post + end of my fellowship

[Sydney Poore]

Thank you, Sarah for sticking your ore in the water and paddling up stream.
:-) :-)

IMO, you raised awareness about the gender gap and tried several projects
that are going to have a long term effect on the way that we deal with new
users as Wikipedia tries to be more diverse.

Good luck in the next year!!
Warm regards,
Sydney

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote:

  Hi everyone,

 I wanted to share my report about the WikiWomen's Collaborative with you.
 It's a project I developed as a way to engage and build community around
 experienced and potential women editors and contributors to Wikimedia
 projects. My fellowship ends this week, and I'll be writing a blog about my
 experience. But, please do know: I am so grateful to everyone who has been
 involved in the past year. Just knowing I had a community of people to come
 to really means a lot - it's been an emotional and remarkable experience.
 I'll be writing a more formal blog about the past year, soon.

 --

 Here are my report:


-

 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:WikiWomen%27s_Collaborative/Final_report


 The highlight for me is seeing that women involved in the Collaborative
 started editing more than ever in September - the same time when the
 project launched.

 You can also find the main page for my fellowship here:


-
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships/Fellows/Sarah_Stierch


 I hope you'll join us in the project and get involved:


- http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomen%27s_Collaborative


 --

 I am moving back to volunteer status in regards to my gender gap work. I
 am still doing public speaking, presentations and all the stuff that goes
 with spreading word about the importance of women's involvement. But,
 please do remember: I'm a volunteer again and have three jobs :)

 If you're curious as to what I'm up to right now:

 -I'm serving as US OpenGLAM Coordinator for the Open Knowledge Foundation
 -I'm doing a Wikipedian in Residency at the World Digital Library
 -I also run my own consulting firm where I work with public and private
 clients around the world doing museum curatorial work, marketing,
 lecturing, blahblahblah.

 I'm also hoping I can do some more projects with Wikimedia, so we'll see!!

 Thank you again for all of the support this list has given me. I am
 indebted.

 In wikilove,

 Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia Women Workshop in Mumbai Report

[Sydney Poore]

Krutikaa,

Congratulations. I'm thrilled to hear that the workshop went well.

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Krutikaa Jawanjal krutika...@gmail.comwrote:

 A Day Spent well.

 The Wikipedia Women Workshop which took place on November, 4th 2012 in
 Vidyalankar Institute of Technology (VIT), Wadala was indeed a
 success.

 The people who volunteered in organizing this workshop were Bishakha
 Datta, Moksh Juneja, Karthik Nadar, Pranav Curumsey, Pradeep Mohandas,
 Anshuman Fotedar, Aditi Juneja, Harriet Vidyasagar, Nikita Belavate,
 Netra Parikh, Noopur Raval, Netha Hussain.  All discussions and
 planning done while organizing this workshop for women paid off. In
 all, 70+ women participants attended the workshop.

 The workshop started with a short introduction after which, wasting no
 time, the women participants moved on to learning how to edit
 Wikipedia which was though by the present on ground volunteers. The
 participants were were divided in groups and every group had to create
 a new article which wasn't already available on Wikipedia. In the
 process, women interacted with the volunteers, asked question
 regarding Wikipedia. Every group at least had added introduction to
 the new article.

 Having done with the basic editing, a general presentation on
 Wikipedia was given by some of the volunteers. This was followed by
 question and answers regarding the same. By this time, it was already
 1.30pm, so the lunch was announced. After having lunch, the
 participants got back to their seats. Pretty much everybody stayed
 back post lunch. Moksh continued with teaching how to edit Wikipedia.
 This time it wasn't it in groups though. References and Notability
 were the main topics that were covered in this session.

 Anshuman and Karthik then proceeded  with teaching photo uploads on
 Wikipedia. Quiz was conducted towards the end and Wikipedia-Tshirts
 were given as prizes for giving right answers. Karthik, then also
 showcased the winning images of Wiki Loves Momunents 2012 India. The
 long day came to an end with an overwhelming response and a call for
 organizing many such activities. The feedback received was positive.
 The participants enjoyed the workshop.

 We are thankful to everybody who made this event a great one. Thanks
 to all the volunteers. Special thanks to Moksh and Karthik who went
 out of the way to get everything arranged before hand at the venue, to
 Netha and Noopur for making it to the workshop and for working hand in
 hand with the Mumbai Community, to Srikanth Ramakrishnan who
 constantly stayed in touch for online help.

 Special thanks to whole Vidyalankar team. Vishwas Deshpande, Founder
 of Vidyalankar, who gave us an opportunity to to do the Mumbai's first
 Wiki Workshop for Women at Vidyalankar. Milind Tadvalkar (Director)
 and Seema Shah (Principal), Jayprakash Kurmi and Vivek and the
 complete IT Team at VIT, Mahesh from Canteen for an awesome Pav Bhaji
 for Lunch. Another thanks to Netra Parikh, for giving us enough place
 at her office, Pinstorm, for all out pre-meetings. Thanks to all.


 Regards,
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Re: [Gendergap] Maya Angelou

[Sydney Poore]

Christine, that's truly awesome. :-)

I've watched you working on the Maya Angelou topic for years now, and
thrilled to see that you've got her biography to FA. It will be fantastic
for her article to be on the main page on her birthday as a feature article!

Sydney
User:FloNight

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Christine Meyer
christinewme...@gmail.comwrote:

 I've been doing my part in addressing the gender gap in en.Wikipedia, and
 this week marks a major accomplishment for me in this area and for me as an
 editor.  [[Maya Angelou]] is now a featured article.

 I've been literally working on Angelou's article for years; my very first
 edit of it was early in my WP-editing career, in September 2007: [diff
 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maya_Angeloudiff=prevoldid=158867180].
  It took this long mostly because I do have a life, most of the time.  When
 I came across it, I realized that Angelou's work and life was sorely
 underrepresented and not at all comprehensive, way before I came to
 understand the gender gap in this project.  I also realized that in order
 to do the subject justice, I needed to become a MA-expert, something
 I definitely was not at the time.  I realized that at the very least, I
 needed to read her six autobiographies, and while I was at it, write
 articles about them.  Only one article existed at the time: her first
 autobiography  [[I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings]], which was in
 a pitiable state.  A year's worth of research, a lot of assistance from
 some of the most premiere editors in the project, and 3 FACs later, it
 became an FA.

 In the ensuing years, I created and wrote articles about Angelou's five
 remaining autobiographies (one is a FA, the others are GAs), some ancillary
 articles about her other works, and a couple of lists.  ([[Works of Maya
 Angelou]] is currently up for FLC.)  After I completed the article about
 Angelou's final autobiography, I worked to get her bio up to snuff, and it
 had a relatively easy FAC, my first FA to pass in its first candidacy.  I
 think that was due to the fact that the article was truly prepared before
 it was submitted.  For anyone who wants to drive an article through the FAC
 process, that's my advice: make sure it's ready to be reviewed, and do not
 use FAC (or GAC, even) to review it.  There are other places for that, so
 use them before bringing it to FAC.

 My next goal is to create a Maya Angelou Featured Topic.  There are some
 things that need to be accomplished before that; my goal is to get there
 before Dr. Angelou's 85th birthday in April.  I'm certain, at the very
 least, that her bio will on the front page.  Ironically, this is the week I
 started researching the article about another elderly and important woman:
  [[Joan Ganz Cooney]], co-creator of Sesame Street.

 Christine
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Re: [Gendergap] Surplus women and World War I

[Sydney Poore]

Very pleased to see this come out of that Editathon. :-)

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Chris Keating
chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all,

 Just wanted to let you know about some interesting contributions to the
 Wikimedia article gender balance from a slightly unexpected source.

 On Saturday, Wikimedia UK had a World War I-themed Editathon[1], where we
 essentially put a lot of Wikimedians and a group of academics in a room and
 asked them to help improve coverage of World War I.

 The gender balance was markedly better amongst the academics we'd invited
 (4 men, 3 women) than among the Wikimedians (20 men, no women at all) -
 which prompted quite a lot of debate about gender balance among Wikimedia
 volunteers (not very good) and also about the gender balance of Wikipedia's
 coverage of  the topic (also, not very good!). It might also be that we'd
 taken a lot of steps to promote the event amongst the English Wikipedia's
 large and active military history community (which probably has worse than
 average gender balance, at a guess).

 I'm pleased to say that one of the outcomes from the event is an article,
 currently in sandbox but well worthy of a DYK nom when in due course, on
 the topic of Surplus women - a demographic imbalance that existed (or was
 perceived) in Western Europe in the industrial era, accentuated by the mass
 slaughter of World War I, and hitherto completely absent from Wikipedia.
 You can have a look at it here :-)

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ErrantX/Sandbox/Surplus_women

 Many thanks,

 Chris
 Wikimedia UK


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Re: [Gendergap] what follows from most editors do not gender-identify

[Sydney Poore]

Claudia,

I understand where you are coming from. But talking about the demographics
of WMF projects at the level of detail WMF is going now is somewhat newish.
Not talking about the disparity in the past did not fix the problem. So,
drawing attention to the issue seemed like a good idea. :-)

I tend to think that information is powerful in that it educates and
changes behavior.

If anyone has suggestions as to how to make the research and data analysis
better or just want a better understanding of how it is done, I encourage
you to talk to the people doing the research. I have done this in the past
and found them very approachable and more than willing to listen to ideas.

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:52 AM, koltzenb...@w4w.net wrote:

 Sarah, thanks

  I am focusing my energy on taking action versus research investment.

 fair enough,
 the versus reads a little strange to me in this context but never mind
 ;-)

 in my view of the matter, and my thanks to Laura for filling in with a few
 concrete examples, taking positive
 action in this context would mean, I guess, to stop talking about any
 numbers that we might have to
 consider to be harmful - precisely: harmful for swift and wonderful
 encouragement for *positive* action

 back to action, then
 including research ;-)
 Claudia

 On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:36:10 -0700, Sarah Stierch wrote
  Well, I'll be honest:
 
  I don't really care about detailed research unless it shows our numbers
  changing at this point :-) (better or worse)...
 
  I am focusing my energy on taking action versus research investment. So
  perhaps I shouldn't even bother with this conversation. We all know we
  have few women editing :-/
 
  Sar
 
  Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)
 
  On Jun 18, 2012, at 12:07 AM, koltzenb...@w4w.net wrote:
 
   Thank you, Sarah
  
   Data doesn't equal patriarchy
  
   agree, I was not stipulating this, I am pointing to the philosophy
 that feeds into the setup of such an
 inquiry
   in the first place
  
   I trust the survey.
  
   up to you, Sarah
   which part of it do you trust? the outcome given the chosen setup?
   I have to reasons, either, for any doubt about the results
  
   my argument is to take a close look at the setup of any statistics
 exercise first and then ask, maybe,
 who
   benefits most from the results, and then we are well into
 partiarchally inspired politics, I guess,
   anyway, this is the point I am trying to make
  
   the task is, I think, to work on the following:
   which question would yield results that people on this list will feel
 motivated by to turn into sustainable
   positive action about a perceived gender gap among Wikipedia editors?
  
   And having
   numbers is honestly more powerful than saying oh most editors are
 men.
  
   well, given Risker/Anne's statement
   (most editors do not gender-identify ...
  
   no one knows, right?
   so my argument says that since most editors do not gender-identify, it
 would be wrong to say anything,
   really
  
   and hence any study of gender gap in Wikipedia (or any other project
 of its kind) had better rely on
 other
   data than these - which is why I think that in general such a
 discussion of basics might be useful for
 Laura's
   project, too - I'd say go for it, Laura :-)
  
   If you'd like to talk to the organizers of the survey, I'm sure
 they'd be
   happy to discuss it.
  
   thank you, yes, you were so kind as to give me the contact data last
 time I raised the issue here, for
 which
   thanks again
  
   I'd be more happy to discuss the matter more thorougly here first
   - or maybe anyone knows of another public forum which might be
 interested in this topic?
  
   Keep in mind the survey is people stating their gender in the survey
   itself, not their userspace/account.
  
   indeed, agree,
   and this is precisely why any implicit claims on the relevance of the
 results should not be writ large in
 our list
   description
  
   let us do away with looking at numbers first... as far as I can glean
 from discussions like the ones we do
 on
   this list, there is quite ample data other than numbers that allow us
 to address the phenomenon of a
   perceived gender gap in Wikipedia et al. and of course then take
 positive action to remedy any
 perceived
   imbalance
  
   best  cheers
   Claudia
  
   On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:35:14 -0700, Sarah Stierch wrote
   Keep in mind the survey is people stating their gender in the survey
   itself, not their userspace/account. When I take the survey I can
 choose a
   gender or no response. (and maybe something else..I dont remember and
 I'm
   on my phone..) I am sure plenty of people who do not choose gender on
   their profile choose it anonymously on the profile.
  
   I trust the survey. Data doesn't equal patriarchy when it is the
 community
   who is choosing to identify their gender in said survey. And having
   numbers is honestly more

Re: [Gendergap] The Dell Summit

[Sydney Poore]

I think it is relevant to our understanding of how the gender gap developed
on WMF wikis.

While I don't believe most early WMF users were misogynists, I think a
significant portion of them came from work environments where lack of women
was accepted as normal. So, noticing and addressing the problems from lack
of female editors was not a high priority. This incident at dell reminds us
of the historical issues that caused the gender disparity to become
entrenched on WMF projects.

It is one of the best explanations I found for the gender gap. Its not the
complete reason, but does explain some aspects of the situation. IIRC,
independent and me,  Sue came up with similar thinking that she  posted
somewhere during Strategic Planning process several years back.

Sydney Poore
On May 12, 2012 11:01 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not sure what this has to do with Wikis, but its pretty sad all the
 same.  It was a month ago, and not nearly enough has been made about
 it.


 http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-57431869-256/why-we-need-to-keep-talking-about-women-in-tech/

 it is getting fresh coverage on reddit too.  Not sure why its revived,
 but it cant hurt to draw extra attention to this.


 http://www.reddit.com/r/business/comments/tk24s/dell_denmark_had_wellknown_danish_misogynist/

 On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Dell held their annual summit this week in Europe. They hired a moderator
  for the opening day named Mads Christensen who is a media personality
 that
  is described as very conservative and this also is regarding his views
  towards women.
 
  Excerpts from a blog by a woman who attended:
 
   So here I am at Dell’s huge and very professional summit with founder
  Michael Dell, top people from Microsoft and Intel, impressive power
 points,
  expensive commercials, matching polyester ties and all that jazz, and
 then
  the – by Dell chosen – moderator starts to rejoice the lack of women in
 the
  room. “The IT business is one of the last frontiers that manages to keep
  women out. The quota of women to men in your business is sound and
  healthy” he says. “What are you actually doing here?” he adds to the few
  women who are actually present in the room. 
 
   Dell’s moderator continues talking about his two Rolex watches and he
 then
  presents the next speaker from Intel. After the break Mads Christensen
  shares with us his whole “show” about the bitchy women who want’s to
 steal
  the power in politics, boards and the home. “Science” he calls it and
  mentions that all the great inventions come from men. “We can thank women
  for the rolling pin” he adds.  And then the moderator of the day
 finishes of
  by asking all (men) in the room to promise him that they will go home and
  say “Shut up bitch!”.
 
 
  http://elektronista.dk/kommentar/dresscode-blue-tie-and-male/
 
  I feel sick to my stomach.
 
  -Sarah
 
 
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Re: [Gendergap] Commons Searches

[Sydney Poore]

The first hit is a gallery page.

From Wikipedia articles we link to Commons and limit it to galleries images
if one exists. But with searches all the images show up.

Sydney

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 **
 One easy way to fix all of these searches is to create Gallery pages for
 these terms. If a gallery page for cucumber existed, all searches for
 cucumber would go immediately to that gallery page rather than pulling up
 random images.

 Ryan Kaldari


 On 10/12/11 3:49 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:

  Thanks for the link, Brandon.

  I had raised this in the image filter discussions on Foundation-l
 yesterday (as well as on
 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier ), and it seems
 to have triggered some thought, which is all for the good.

  Here are searches that deliver similar results in Wikipedia and Commons:

  pearl necklace

  cucumber

  Zahnbürste (German for toothbrush)

  toothbrush

  electric toothbrushes

  jumping ball

  underwater

  ... and likely many, many others.

  Andreas

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 *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 21:31
 *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Commons Searches


 Funnily, I just answered that question on Quora:


 http://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-second-image-returned-on-Wikimedia-Commons-when-one-searches-for-electric-toothbrush-an-image-of-a-female-masturbating


 On 10/12/11 7:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
  Brandon,
 
  On a matter that originally arose in Meta and on the Foundation list,
  but may be of interest to this list as well, do you know the answer to
 the
  question posed here ...
 
  http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-October/006290.html
 
  ... or do you know someone who does?
 
  Andreas
 
 
 
 *From:* Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org
 *To:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
 gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 6:13
 *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Mind the Gap Award is here.
 
 (offlist)
 
 I think your efforts are perfect, and above and beyond. I don't need
 to
 step in here.
 
 
 
 On 10/11/11 10:10 PM, Jutta von Dincklage wrote:
Brandon, I still think we need to remake the logo. This was just
 a quick, basic whiz.
I would still love your graphic skills on this one if you can
 spare the time
   
... cause I am a woman and I truly appreciate amazing design
... and this award deserves it ;-)
   
Ah, too fast for me! I was about to remake the entire thing, but
 got
stuck trying to find an acceptable replacement font (the real
 one is for
sale at the princely sum of $299.00!).
   
   
   
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Re: [Gendergap] washington dc

[Sydney Poore]

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am saying that you are questioning the decision of an independent body to
 select a person for membership in the same way that he questioned the WMF
 for selecting a person he did not consider appropriate. In short, he sought
 a non-project sanction for on-project activities/concerns. I do not see a
 difference between that behaviour, and members of this list seeking a
 non-project sanction (i.e., removing someone from a chapter Board of
 Directors) for on-project activities/concerns, particularly when the
 on-project concern waswell, doing exactly what seems to be proposed
 here.I agree that we need to be sensitive in general about how we discuss
 these type of issues on a public mailing list. And in this case since one
 party to the case is an active participate to this mailing list, we need to
 take extra caution that we are not only hearing one side of the story.


That said, I don't think that it is actually a parallel comparison. We don't
want users escalating disputes by calling employers because it can have
loads of negative repercussions for Wikipedia as well as the person who is
reported. But I see no reason that users shouldn't take into consideration
whether they support having someone who has been banned on one WMF project
in a position of trust in a WMF related organization or another wiki. ArbCom
does the same type of thing when it vets users for positions of trust such
as checkuser. People take into account an users past history when they vote
for steward or WMF Board members. So, I don't have a problem with someone
raising a concern about it in this situation.

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight


 Wikimedia chapters are not beholden to one specific project. There are
 hundreds of people banned or blocked on one WMF project who are active,
 respected members of other projects;  in fact, even on English Wikipedia,
 appropriate and valued work in another WMF project or area is usually
 considered a mitigating factor when a user requests review of a sanction.

 (For the record, I am a member of the Arbitration Committee that voted to
 ban the user in question, and did support a ban.)

 Risker/Anne




 On 7 October 2011 11:22, Sandra sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I dont understand what ur trying to express. Can u possibly clarify.

 Are you saying that this person should be allowed to represent the
 community in an official capacity even though he has been recently banned
 for inappropriate behavior and breaking community guidelines?

 I just want to make sure that im understanding your point of view
 correctly.

 On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would recommend considerable caution in discussing this issue on this
 mailing list. One of the key harassment issues was that the now-banned
 user attempted to contact the WMF about another user whom he believed to
 beemployed by the WMF under some form of grant or contract. It raises an
 interesting question that some here would think it appropriate to try to
 affect that person's position in a Wikimedia chapter because of the English
 Wikipedia ban; it is parallel to the situation for which the user was banned
 in the first place.

 At least one other party under conditional sanctions in the same case is
 an active and respected member of this mailing list, and I can respect that
 it would be difficult for that individual to have this matter dissected
 here. Please proceed with caution.


 Risker/Anne





 On 7 October 2011 09:55, Sandra ordonez  sandratordo...@gmail.com
 sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Currently banned and I think it wasn't that long ago.

 lets wait till aude responds to see if there is a way this list can help.





 On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Michael J. Lowrey orangem...@gmail.com
 orangem...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com
 sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote:
  Essentially, that someone has gotten a leadership position in the D.C.
  chapter who has been banned from editing Wikipedia for year for things
 like
  harassing people, disruptive behavior, and editing problems like
 copyright
  violations.

 Banned in the past, and done their time; or currently banned? I've
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Re: [Gendergap] washington dc

[Sydney Poore]

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am saying that you are questioning the decision of an independent body
 to select a person for membership in the same way that he questioned the WMF
 for selecting a person he did not consider appropriate. In short, he sought
 a non-project sanction for on-project activities/concerns. I do not see a
 difference between that behaviour, and members of this list seeking a
 non-project sanction (i.e., removing someone from a chapter Board of
 Directors) for on-project activities/concerns, particularly when the
 on-project concern waswell, doing exactly what seems to be proposed
 here.



my comment that mixed with Risker'sI agree that we need to be sensitive in
 general about how we discuss these  type of issues on a public mailing list.
 And in this case since one party to the case is an active participate to
 this mailing list, we need to take extra caution that we are not only
 hearing one side of the story.


 That said, I don't think that it is actually a parallel comparison. We
 don't want users escalating disputes by calling employers because it can
 have loads of negative repercussions for Wikipedia as well as the person who
 is reported. But I see no reason that users shouldn't take into
 consideration whether they support having someone who has been banned on one
 WMF project in a position of trust in a WMF related organization or another
 wiki. ArbCom does the same type of thing when it vets users for positions of
 trust such as checkuser. People take into account an users past history when
 they vote for steward or WMF Board members. So, I don't have a problem with
 someone raising a concern about it in this situation.

 Sydney Poore
 User:FloNight


 Wikimedia chapters are not beholden to one specific project. There are
 hundreds of people banned or blocked on one WMF project who are active,
 respected members of other projects;  in fact, even on English Wikipedia,
 appropriate and valued work in another WMF project or area is usually
 considered a mitigating factor when a user requests review of a sanction.

 (For the record, I am a member of the Arbitration Committee that voted to
 ban the user in question, and did support a ban.)

 Risker/Anne




 On 7 October 2011 11:22, Sandra sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I dont understand what ur trying to express. Can u possibly clarify.

 Are you saying that this person should be allowed to represent the
 community in an official capacity even though he has been recently banned
 for inappropriate behavior and breaking community guidelines?

 I just want to make sure that im understanding your point of view
 correctly.

 On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would recommend considerable caution in discussing this issue on this
 mailing list. One of the key harassment issues was that the now-banned
 user attempted to contact the WMF about another user whom he believed to
 beemployed by the WMF under some form of grant or contract. It raises an
 interesting question that some here would think it appropriate to try to
 affect that person's position in a Wikimedia chapter because of the English
 Wikipedia ban; it is parallel to the situation for which the user was banned
 in the first place.

 At least one other party under conditional sanctions in the same case is
 an active and respected member of this mailing list, and I can respect that
 it would be difficult for that individual to have this matter dissected
 here. Please proceed with caution.


 Risker/Anne





 On 7 October 2011 09:55, Sandra ordonez  sandratordo...@gmail.com
 sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Currently banned and I think it wasn't that long ago.

 lets wait till aude responds to see if there is a way this list can
 help.




 On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Michael J. Lowrey orangem...@gmail.com
 orangem...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com
 sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote:
  Essentially, that someone has gotten a leadership position in the
 D.C.
  chapter who has been banned from editing Wikipedia for year for
 things like
  harassing people, disruptive behavior, and editing problems like
 copyright
  violations.

 Banned in the past, and done their time; or currently banned? I've
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Re: [Gendergap] WikiSym best papers

[Sydney Poore]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:32 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all,

 You may know about WikiSym -- the international symposium on wikis and
 open collaboration -- which is an annual research conference about
 wikis. It is being held week after next in Mountain View, CA this
 year. There is always a good deal of Wikipedia research presented at
 WikiSym. This year I am very pleased that the best paper award (for
 both short and long papers) went to two papers about gender and
 Wikipedia:

 http://www.wikisym.org/2011/09/21/best-paper-winners-for-wikisym-2011/

 The conference proceedings  full papers are not yet available, but
 when they are I will be sure to send them along. it's so exciting to
 see great research in this area! congratulations to the authors.

 -- phoebe

Excellent news :-)

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Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs

[Sydney Poore]

Thank you for pointing this out, Jutta, and your reply,Lennart.

I see this area of improvement as being critical to participation of
non-tech minded people.

Sydney Poore

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson 
l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Hello,

 Thanks for the feedback on the account creation process. We finished
 testing three diffrent processes against each other during the summer. The
 report can be found here:


 http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Report_from_Lennart%27s_Fellowship.pdf

 In theory, the tests are finished, but as you know, getting the community
 to come to a consensus can be hard work. I have tried to get a consensus on
 the English Wikipedia Village Pump for some time now, and very few have
 participated, so I said that unless someone protested, that I would change
 the process. The deadline was last Friday, but due to other things going on
 in my life after the Fellowship (I am preparing Wikimedia Sverige's stand at
 the Gothenburg Book Fair that starts in two days), I have not yet changed
 the account process. Of course, anyone with admin rights on English
 Wikipedia can help out (I no longer have my staff rights, so I cannot do it
 myself anyway).

 When we change the process, that version of the account creation process
 will not be used.

 (Sorry for taking so much space to talk about that angle of the thread.)

 Best wishes,

 Lennart



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  Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:07:11 +1000

  Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
 
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   Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700
   From: Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com
   Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
   of women
   To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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   Update, and a request:
  
   The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think
 about
   30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers.
  
 
  This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start
 editing Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to
 be obvious in the interface.
 
  I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing
 Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard
 and confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for
 account creation :
 http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content/Login_page/Frank%27s_proposal
  In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics.
 'Health', the topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected
 'biology' instead and a whole list of topics that need improvements was
 presented to us... However, she already knew which article she wanted to
 create, so it was a bit like 'Ok, how can I get out of here and draft my
 article?' I ended up showing her how she can do this and also ended up
 putting the Template:New_user_bar manually onto her user page, so that she's
 got a nicer profile page. I am sure we would potentially have lost her
 without my help...
 
  I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is
 test her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-)
 
  Cheers,
  Jutta
 
 
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Re: [Gendergap] Kelly Wearstler

[Sydney Poore]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote:

 An article was brought to my attention about an interior designer, Kelly
 Wearstler, who is also a fashion designer. The interesting twist - she was
 Playboy of the Month in September 1994.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Wearstler

 One user is arguing that she's more famous as a one time Playboy centerfold
 (which she did under a pseudonym to pay her student loans), and not so much
 as a designer. I argue that (hell, just compare the Google statistics - over
 200,000 for Kelly Wearstler designer  and about 27,500 for Kelly
 Wearstler Playboy. I know who she is, and it isn't because she is a Playboy
 model (and I'm not an uninformed person, I've read my fair share of
 Playboys). Anyway, they want to have a special centerfold infobox (or
 something of that sort) that tell her breast size, etc. Another user is
 arguing it goes against [[WP:Undue]] not balancing the article correctly.  I
 agree. No point in having a fashion designer and interior designers one time
 Playboy bunny moment overweigh the fact that she's got best selling books,
 has been a judge on a reality show on Bravo called Top Design and she
 sells her designs at Bergdorf Goodman.

 Check out the talk page, it's short, but interesting.

 -Sarah


Biographies of women who were Playboy centerfolds is one example where the
community changed the way that they are routinely handled. This change took
place after numerous discussions in various places such as the notability
guideline page, Biography of living people noticeboard, talk pages of
article, and at Afd. These discussions would make a good case study of how
that systemic bias in the community can be overcome by using the existing
Wikipedia channels for discussion.

At one point in time the community was making an article for every Playboy
centerfold with an large infobox template that included their measurements
at the time of the centerfold layout.

After loads of discussion it was decided that every centerfold model should
not automatically have an article, and every women who was a centerfold and
has an article should not necessarily have an Playmate infobox.

Recently, several existing articles were discussed at the BLP noticeboard
and the content of the articles were blanked, and a redirect was made to the
article that discussed the issue of the magazine where they were featured.

See the discussion about Tanya Beyer for an example of why this is needed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive131#Tanya_Beyer


I've seen a discussion about Kelly Wearstler somewhere fairly recently but
can't remember where.  I see that Scott McDonald fixed the article. Scott
McDonald rewrites BLP articles to make them adhere to NPOV especially when
undue weight is an issue. So he is a good person to ask for help with
difficult case if he is active.

Sydney Poore
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Re: [Gendergap] Weird lame body fashion whatever website of the, day

[Sydney Poore]

I requested the name change for Boobies.jpg today, and was pleased to see
that Mattbuck did it quickly. :-)

Sydney

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:51 PM, The Richardsons dons...@optonline.netwrote:

  On 9/17/2011 3:00 PM,

 Sarah Stierch

 wrote:

 The choices are really mediocre for the neckline women's section.  One of
 the photos is titled Boobies.jpg.


 I saw that “boobies.jpg” was changed to “Cleavage (breasts).jpg” about four
 hours ago by Mattbuck. +1 for Gendergap!
 That was the good news
 The bad news is that, from earlier posts about labiaplasty, it seemed that
 users wanted to remove the picture from the page, but that others put it
 back up. What I believe is that you had no right to take the picture off
 without consensus. Please excuse me if I missed something that would prove
 that there was consensus otherwise. Again, though, what troubles me is that
 SlimVirgin did get talked to rudely, being mockingly (in my opinion) called
 an “Administratrix” and being told to  “play by the rules you claim to
 enforce”. Also, you seem to be right in saying that the picture isn’t a
 “hypertrophy” (although I wouldn’t know) and I am pleased to see that a note
 was added early this morning UTC.

 But my main problem is how we get to reach a consensus on this, by,
 which we certainly can, by questioning its “licensed medical image” status,
 pointing out that it is two different people, and pointing out that the
 labia minora are not hypertrophies.

  --- RDW2210

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Re: [Gendergap] Wikiquotes

[Sydney Poore]

There is a portal feminism on Wikisource but it is very under developed.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Feminism


See Josephine K. Henry added to the portal by me in March 2010.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_K._Henry

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Josephine_K._Henry

The portal is not been edited very much since then.

I wrote about Nannie Helen Burroughs on WP and WQ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nannie_Helen_Burroughs

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nannie_Helen_Burroughs

One way to do it is to write an Wikipedia article, upload images to Commons,
add their published works to Wikisource, and an entry on Wikiquote with good
quotes. It is a very efficient way to do it.

I've done it in the past for a few people. It is a great way to meet new
people on the other projects.

Sydney


On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yes! I have never edited or contributed anything to wikiquote. I have
 contributed to Wikisource, and I'm starting to think I'm the only woman who
 ever has, even though it was two documents. I don't even think there is much
 of anything related to women's history on Wikisource...

 We were discussing in #wikimedia-gendergap a few days ago about the need
 for more featured images of women and related subjects on Commons. I kept
 rolling my eyes everytime I saw the ATV that was a featured image the other
 day.

 I'm actually developing a wikipage that will showcase a collection of
 topics that need expansion, watching, clean up, etc, and/or photos for
 English Wikipedia, which I naturally assume will be the same for other
 languages. Once it's a little fleshed out we can see if it's useful in any
 way. I think it's interesting just to see what we're lacking on...on top of
 the 1009232 other things I'm doing...

 -Sarah

 On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:08 AM, carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote:

  Looking at my wikiquotes talk page for the first time in a while, I was
 reminded that is another area women's contributions may not be taken as
 seriously.

 Example: the deletion in 2009 of poet Marcella Boccia's quotes from
 English wikipedia after her article had been deleted from En wikipedia.

 Actually, I just checked and it's not in the Italian wikipedia version
 either.  Despite
 http://www.google.com/search?ned=ushl=enq=Marcella+Bocciatbm=nwstbs=ar:1notability
  in Italian I noted at time of deletion discussion.

 So let's not forget Wikiquote!!





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[Gendergap] Sexual Harassment in Online Communications: Effects of Gender and Discourse Medium

[Sydney Poore]

Interesting article that supports the idea that women and men perceive
content differently.

The research found that in terms of gender differences, women rated online
pictures and jokes as significantly more harassing than men.

http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/109493102753685863

We shouldn't generalize this to all people of a gender, but it is worth
remembering that at least some women are more uncomfortable with some types
of humor and images.

Sydney
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Re: [Gendergap] Other women's wiki's

[Sydney Poore]

I'm creating account on these two wikis to better understand ways that these
wikis function since they have more women, and were created more recently
than WMF projects.

Sydney Poore
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote:

 These are two others that I have stumbled across. I think it's really
 interesting to look at these wiki's and see what makes them good/bad,
 attractive/not, etc. I think there can always be something to learned..I've
 looked at these extensively, and even made accounts on them to explore the
 process. I encourage others to experience and perhaps share what you think
 makes these different, good/bad, etc, compared to Wikipedia.

 Global Women's Network has videos on how to do things a simple as create a
 user account...which I think is nice.

 http://www.global-womens-network.org/

 http://wikigender.org/index.php/New_Home

 -Sarah


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Re: [Gendergap] Consent for photographs on Commons

[Sydney Poore]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 On 9/13/11 8:03 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
  I think this is really great, thank you Kaldari for taking the time to
  create this.
 
  The n00b in me asks :
 
   1) Is this trackable? That is, a hidden category or anything?

 There aren't any categories currently, but I could add some. Right now,
 you can view all the images it is used on at
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Consent

  2) I think we should solidify the policy documentation (i.e. the
  recent board passing, etc), and complete that work before we promote
  this template.

 Right now there is no actual policy as far as I know, just a guideline
 and a resolution. Getting something encoded as policy might be a good
 goal to work towards.

 Ryan Kaldari


It make no real difference what it is called, guideline or policy, as long
as everyone one is singing from the same page in the hymnal. The deletion
discussion over the past week, (and there have been many of them using lack
of model consent as reason) have  gone well. Friendly, with no conduct
issues that I can see. No extreme hyperbole. Largely people are discussing
the images by citing policy, and admins are closing them with consensus.

I know that there has been division about this in the past, but if people
use the consent template as you have written it, I think that everything
will be fine.
Sydney

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Re: [Gendergap] CBC Radio on Wikipedia's Gender Gap

[Sydney Poore]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hey folks,

 http://www.cbc.ca/spark/2011/09/sue-gardner-on-wikipedias-gender-gap/

 This is me being interviewed by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
 about our gender gap. It's raw (uncut) tape so it's long -- I am
 guessing about 20 minutes. But you will probably find it interesting,
 due to the topic and also the fact that --although I don't name
 anybody-- I talk at some length about this list :-)

 (You might disagree with how I characterize what's happening here --
 i.e., I think I say at one point that the list has been sometimes
 'hilarious,' and I realize I may be alone in thinking that. It's fine
 if you disagree, but I hope nobody finds what I said offensive -- it's
 meant affectionately, and with respect.)

 Thanks,
 Sue


Great interview. :-)  Good to hear that the media is still interested in
reading the research on the topic, and discussing it.

Sydney Poore
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Re: [Gendergap] So this is how Commons works?

[Sydney Poore]

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.netwrote:

  On 12/09/2011 02:43, Sarah Stierch wrote:


 One thing Wikimedia as a whole *suffers* from is no solidity when it
 comes to policy and rules. Everything seems that it can be adapted, broken,
 changed, manipulated..etc. I think that's a problem.


 Absolutely. I think in this case the real troublemaker is the admin, and
 the original poster is almost an innocent boy trying to post something he
 deems erotic or daring. By the admin's behaviour we see that the original
 poster is almost encouraged to behave like a bad little boy.

 It is obvious that a photo of the vulva should show the vulva. If the admin
 doesn't understand that then he is hopeless and must go back to highschool
 for several years. He is certainly not scientifically literate enough to
 hold a position on Wikipedia.


I agree that this image had many problems and keeping it does not really
make sense. That is the reason that I asked the admin to review his
decision.


 You don't have to discuss with an admin who doesn't understand that a photo
 of an organ must show the organ.

 You don't have to discuss with an admin who doesn't understand that photos
 of anatomy should be as devoid of erotic content as possible.

 Democracy should not go that far as to negociate with total incompetence.

 Either this admin is really stupid, and should never have made it to his
 position in WP, or he is being perverse with the vulva page.

 If find it very difficult to believe that a person literate enough to make
 it to the position of admin on WP would be illiterate enough to not
 understand that a photo named vulva in the vulva page should show a vulva,
 and should avoid evocation of private life promiscuity.


I know this administrators work on several projects, and I don't think that
is an accurate description of his work in general. He regularly closes
deletion discussions, and will close them for deletion about sexual content
as he did in some of the other ones put up for deletion recently.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:April_after_!st_act.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Hairpenis.jpg

The reason that I see the issue with controversial content as a problem of
systemic biasis  that is that it has taken hold of WMF projects in general.
If you look at the full body of his work, this admin  truly is trying to
follow policy and the customs of Commons and WMF projects in general. IMO,
the policies need to be tweaked so that admins like him will have better
policy to work with. And we need a broader group of people commenting in all
deletion discussions so that we get a more globally representative view of
what is appropriate for Commons to have on site.

Sydney




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Re: [Gendergap] So this is how Commons works?

[Sydney Poore]

No, not really. The assumption is toward the uploader having the appropriate
permission if it appears to be an amateur image and it has not obvious signs
of being a copyright violation. People have been in disagreement about
whether images that are controversial content should be be held to a
higher level of scrutiny. Some people say that we are be biased if we
require a higher level of scrutiny for images of naked people. I disagree,
but think that we really need to have a higher level of scrutiny for all
images with identifiable people.  By requiring model consent, we would solve
a large part of the problems with the images on Commons.

Sydney Poore

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:17, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net
 wrote:
  IMO, the policies need to be tweaked so that admins like him will have
  better policy to work with.

 Do we have specific Commons policies on voyeurism and invasion of privacy?

 Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] So this is how Commons works?

[Sydney Poore]

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.netwrote:

  On 12/09/2011 12:18, Sydney Poore wrote:

 If you look at the full body of his work, this admin  truly is trying to
 follow policy and the customs of Commons and WMF projects in general.


 Well I might have been too quick in judging him, and besides idiocy or
 perversion the reason of his behaviour might have been a complete lack of
 attention. To the point that he didn't even have a look at the photo,
 because if he did and still protected the photo, then I am back at the
 idiocy or perversity hypothesis.

 Because, quite frankly, voluntary or not, exceptional or not, what he has
 done here is an insult to plain common sense, and a clear direct
 deterioration of WP content.

 From the scientific point of view it is below the required level to even
 begin a discussion.

 Imagine the page for Finger, should we even take time to discuss the
 propriety of a photo showing the forearm without the fingers ? What would we
 think of an admin who would protect a photo of the forearm without the
 fingers on the Finger page, after having been duly pointed to the obvious
 mistake by a user ? Don't you think the user with a normal self-respect
 would be right to no bother to come any longer on Wikipedia ?

 If you add the Asian-erotic content to that, you realize that the photo was
 totally inappropriate on so many levels that the problem doesn't lie in the
 photo anymore but on the admin.


  IMO, the policies need to be tweaked so that admins like him will have
 better policy to work with. And we need a broader group of people commenting
 in all deletion discussions so that we get a more globally representative
 view of what is appropriate for Commons to have on site.


 Yes but as Sarah Stierch wrote today :


 One thing Wikimedia as a whole *suffers* from is no solidity when it
 comes to policy and rules. Everything seems that it can be adapted, broken,
 changed, manipulated..etc. I think that's a problem.


 Adding rules or adding policies or adding commentators doesn't work if the
 admins don't show the adequate level of literacy, or use their position to
 manipulate the rules at their convenience.

 In his Discussion lock comment Yann says Person is not recognizable. That
 is typical of illiteracy and bad faith. You add a right detail to justify an
 otherwise totally wrong and very obviously wrong decision. That is totally
 twisting the rules.

 As a result we now have a scientifically totally irrelevant and plainly
 domestic-erotic photo on WP, which is explicitly protected by WP. The
 mistake is so obvious that no further rules will work if admins don't show a
 normal intention to respect the rules.

 Re-read the discussion page. Is it normal that Sarah Stierch (Missvain) had
 to take time to write the obvious in detail, and that she was not followed
 eventually ? This is not fair, no grown-up literate person should be treated
 like that. Even if it is involuntary, Yann's decision is so wrong and so
 rude it should seriously put in doubt his position as an admin.


 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg#File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg_3


He reconsidered and deleted the image. Approaching an admin to reconsider is
always okay.  They close dozens of deletion discussions and will sometimes
get something wrong.

This is a good outcome.

Sydney Poore



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Re: [Gendergap] So this is how Commons works?

[Sydney Poore]

WMF projects should be a leader in assuring that people's human rights are
enforced. Right now WMF policies do not reflect best practices. But the WMF
Board and staff are moving in the right direction.

The problem is that the a large part of the community holds the idea of free
speak as a higher value than protecting the rights of people who might be
harmed.

The solution is more discussion where people can be educated about all the
ramifications of hosting controversial content. And also bringing more
people into the community who hold a more moderate view about the importance
of free speech, and who will be better able to make more balanced decisions
when we must weigh all the differing ideals and ethical considerations.

There are some essays around, I think. Read one recently about hosting
images of people. Another one would be good on the topic of voyeurism.

Sydney


On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wonder whether it would be worth developing a guideline, or just
 writing an essay about it on Commons. Trouble is, I know so little
 about how the Commons works -- I don't even know how to find their
 list of policies.

 My thinking is that voyeurism is increasingly becoming a criminal
 offence, and an essay about it might help to identify the kinds of
 images we should be wary of uploading. For example, in the UK, a
 person commits a criminal offence if:

 (a) he records another person (B) doing a private act,

 (b) he does so with the intention that he or a third person will, for
 the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, look at an image of B
 doing the act, and

 (c) he knows that B does not consent to his recording the act with
 that intention.

 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/67

 The problem with all of this on Wikimedia is the anonymity factor.
 People could say I am the model and I hereby give consent. I don't
 know how we get round that.

 Sarah


 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:45, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  No, not really. The assumption is toward the uploader having the
 appropriate
  permission if it appears to be an amateur image and it has not obvious
 signs
  of being a copyright violation. People have been in disagreement about
  whether images that are controversial content should be be held to a
  higher level of scrutiny. Some people say that we are be biased if we
  require a higher level of scrutiny for images of naked people. I
 disagree,
  but think that we really need to have a higher level of scrutiny for all
  images with identifiable people.  By requiring model consent, we would
 solve
  a large part of the problems with the images on Commons.
 
  Sydney Poore

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Re: [Gendergap] Resolution:Images of identifiable people

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On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote:

 I have no clue how I missed this (and perhaps it's been posted before?)

 http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Images_of_identifiable_people

 Perhaps we can lend a hand to assist in this?

 -Sarah


Yes, the WMF Board passed this resolution in May, and it helped focus the
discussion away from the idea that people want to delete controversial
content only because of they are prudes. Model consent for anyone who is
identifiable and has a reason to expect privacy is a minimum standard that
needs to be enforced on all wikis now. For all the reasons that we've
discussed recently on this mailing list, images of women who are being
sexualized benefit greatly from good enforcement of this policy.

IMO, the Commons policy needs to be tweaked to to ensure that the person
giving consent for the image to be taken understands that it will be
uploaded with a free license, and what that means.

Most of the the medical groups policies about medical images of people
assumes that the person in the image has less knowledge about where the
image might be used, and says that information needs to be provided to the
person so that they understand how widely that it might be disseminated.

Right now we don't have a procedures in place that help us gather informed
consent from models. This is an area that needs more work.

Also, we need to tweak the policy so that people who appear in a semi-public
places are protected. Many times people will go into a semi-public place
with  the expectation that only the people in that location will see them.
IMO, sunbathing on a beach outside your rented beach house does not mean
that you intended your image to be taken and uploaded for anyone in the
world to see and be re-used in publications without your consent. The same
is true for many people going about their normal routine. I don't think that
someone walking from their car (or bus) into work intended to give consent
for their photograph to be taken, uploaded with a free license, and their
body parts and fashion apparel be categorized, especially in a sexualized
way.

Since the people in many images do not have contact information provided,
someone re-using the image can not contact them to get permission. This
problem makes many of our images on Commons useless for people that want to
use best practices.

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Re: [Gendergap] Photos of girl-friends

[Sydney Poore]

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.netwrote:

 On 12/09/2011 13:45, Sydney Poore wrote:
  No, not really. The assumption is toward the uploader having the
  appropriate permission if it appears to be an amateur image and it has
  not obvious signs of being a copyright violation. People have been in
  disagreement about whether images that are controversial content
  should be be held to a higher level of scrutiny. Some people say that
  we are be biased if we require a higher level of scrutiny for images
  of naked people. I disagree, but think that we really need to have a
  higher level of scrutiny for all images with identifiable people.  By
  requiring model consent, we would solve a large part of the problems
  with the images on Commons.


 Let us not forget that for many males the decision to post an image of
 their nude girl-friend online is a deliberate insult. Precisely, that is
 their revenge after they have been dumped by said girl-friend.

 In such a context, any domestic nude photo should be deemed suspicious.
 Unless there is the explicit consent of the girl, but I assume I am not
 very far from truth in assuming all those photos are posted by males.

 Less frequently, such a tolerance might also encourage the publication
 of incest. More concretely, in this Korean case today, a small but not
 neglectable probability exists that it is the author's daughter. It can
 happen.


I agree that this is a potential problem. We know that people upload images
of people to disparage, embarrass or harass them. People in some societies
usually do not go nude in public, or publicly publish images of themselves
performing sex acts. In fact most people don't anywhere in the world
although it does happen in some places more than others.

Right now, I think  that we should assume that most people value their
privacy, and unless they have actively given consent for a nude image we
should delete it to protect their right to privacy, and the right to control
the way that their photograph is used.

Sydney

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Re: [Gendergap] So this is how Commons works?

[Sydney Poore]

I left Yann a message on his talk page asking him to reconsider.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yann#Korean_Vulva

I sincerely hope that she did give consent and knows that it is on Commons.
Otherwise we are exploiting her.

I disagree that the person is not recognizable. It would be very unethical
to upload this image without this person's consent. True exploitation of the
person.

I feel very strong about this point because of the my knowledge of past
exploitation of people in medical images in textbooks and medical journals,
some of them nude. It was absolutely wrong when it was done in the name of
education and it is wrong for us to do it now.

Sydney Poore
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On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote:

 This is a NSFW photo
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg

 Five for deletion, two for keep. This is its third nomination.

 An admin came in today and declared it being kept because No valid reason
 for deletion, per previous decisions. Person is not recognizable. It has
 been nominated twice, by anon IP's who have simply declared porn or
 obscene as the deletion reason (not enough of a reason).

 I nominated it, like I do many things, because it was unused on any project
 since its upload in March of 2009, it's uneducational, and the poor
 description proves that. I also think it's poor quality - if we need an
 educational photo of a vulva we have two really fab ones on the [[vulva]]
 article. Which of course was argued (a nude photo of a headless woman blow
 drying her hair in heels with the blow dryer cord and shadow in the shot..
 come...on...), and as FloNight noted, we can probably have some high quality
 photos of a nude woman using a blow dryer that aren't taken in the bedroom
 for the project..if it's that in demand.
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg

 I shouldn't even act surprised...I guess.. :-/

 Were the reasons we provided not valid enough? Can you even challenge
 something like this? Did I miss something? Am I doing this wrong? Regardless
 of the subject, I don't understand why the admin would declare the peoples
 reasons in valid based on my knowledge of the Commons policies...: Commons
 is not a porn site, private location, lack of model release etc...

 (And yes, I was a little snappy on my nomination (this was my original
 rager when I nominated a bunch of stuff from the high heels
 category..)...so no need to reprimand meI've curbed my 'tude!)

 Any help would be great,

 Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

[Sydney Poore]

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:27 PM, carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote:

 On 9/6/2011 5:18 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
  I have to say that viewing pregnancy as a medical article seems to be
  a rather male point of view :) I also find it telling that maternity
  clothing isn't even mentioned in the article (but I guess that makes
  sense if pregnant women don't wear clothes).
 
  Ryan Kaldari
 
 So funny...

 I won't even start on the naughty thoughts this sexagenarian has had
 about adding nude body part photos to all sorts of articles.  Oh, why
 not...


I thought about this when I saw all of the images of young attractive women
in heels that had been uploaded and displayed together. The lack of
diversity was striking.


 Lots of us old hippie women are exhibitionists and I could advertise and
 get a few of us to pose. Then the young guys would have to discuss
 whether the 19 year old or 60 year old breast/nude/buttock etc. is more
 appropriate for an article.

 Hope that also engenders a good laugh

 Carol in dc


There have been groups of women who have done to fund raise. Calenders
usually. We need to find some of them which would be notable and worth
writing about.



Sydney


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Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

[Sydney Poore]

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 19:27,  carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote:
  Lots of us old hippie women are exhibitionists and I could advertise and
  get a few of us to pose. Then the young guys would have to discuss
  whether the 19 year old or 60 year old breast/nude/buttock etc. is more
  appropriate for an article.
 
  Hope that also engenders a good laugh
 
  Carol in dc
 
 It's actually a serious point, though. It would be great to provide
 images for those articles that don't portray women the way certain men
 want to see them portrayed. I recall the Body Shop did that a couple
 of decades ago -- started using images of women that fell outside the
 usual range that tended to be objectified (older, not thin, etc). They
 produced some very good ads as a result. The difficulty for us would
 be in finding those images, then in maintaining them on the pages.


Yes, I remember this, too.

Sydney
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Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

[Sydney Poore]

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net wrote:

 On 07/09/2011 04:02, Nathan wrote:
 
 
  Since we know that the gender gap exists in many cultures, and not
  just the U.S. or Europe, being aware of and sensitive to specific
  cultural biases takes on special merit here. Far more gratuitous
  nudity is not terribly uncommon throughout Western Europe, for
  example, in everything from general interest magazines and newspapers
  to street ads, movies, other media and even in personal interaction
  (see [[Love parade]]).

 Yes nudity in Western Europe has become so frequent that it is devoid of
 any significance now. Showing sexual intercourse can provoke a debate
 about proper and improper, but Western Europeans will hardly notice an
 ad with a naked woman.

 However, there is a new element. That is the pressure from Islamic
 immigration.

 Some radical Muslims want the sharia immediately applied to all
 populations, even non Muslims, because sharia is the law from God, and
 God is far superior to any parliament or constitution. Some Muslims are
 more tolerant for other populations, but for their own family it is
 still the law, the law as in not a personal choice. Some other Muslims
 would like to get rid of Islam, but they are not helped by the
 prevailing multicultural policies, which tend to accept community
 leaders as the true representatives of what they wish.

 In the past, xenophobia was restricted to extreme-right political
 groups. However recently there has been a change, and the liberal
 lobbies have turned against Islam, which creates a new situation as it
 is the immigrant population which is now perceived as culturally
 backwards and threatening for civic rights. The majority of native
 European populations now perceive immigration as civilization
 threatening, and in this context Islam is perceived as particularly
 incompatible with Western civilization. Gender issues have become a
 major landmark for that in public debate. Gay groups, feminist groups,
 secular groups, now perceive the right to show female nudity, the right
 to celibate autonomous life, the right to gender orientation as gains of
 modern civilization, to defend actively and specifically against Islam.
 In the past it was against the local conservative right, now it is
 explicitly against Islam.

 As far as medical treatment of women is concerned, the sharia explicitly
 states that :

 - A woman patient cannot be seen naked, or even touched, by a male
 doctor. When the doctor is female that is not an issue, and fortunately
 many doctors are female. However, for specialized or emergency
 treatment, we now have a record of of life threatening situations or
 severe lasting damages, because the husband, the father or even the
 brother did not allow treatment.

 This also includes severe damages to the baby in obstetrics, when a
 complication occurred and the intervention of a male specialist was
 refused by the man in charge.
 All this to explain to you that in Western Europe as it is now, the
 refusal to show nudity is becoming clearly identified with Islam, and
 feminists are turning clearly against Islam.

snip


 If you have time you can have a look at the photos in pregnancy pages in
 Farsi and Arabic. You have the languages column in the left of the
 English page. The decency of those pages, which in North American
 feminism would be typically considered as protecting women, is now in
 Western Europe becoming associated with a threat to civic rights of
 women. The pages with the naked woman are the pages of countries with
 strong women rights.

 Urdu and Punjabi pages are not developed, but then they are seldom
 developed for anything, so it is not very relevant. Some European
 languages have very little population and contributors, so they are not
 very relevant either. The Dutch page is surprising, as it shows more
 nudity, and in Holland they both enjoy high standards of women's rights,
 and Islam has become widely considered as an equivalent for political
 murder and threats to civic rights.


 Arnaud


Hi Arnaud,

Thank you for this enlightening email.

In the past I work as an obstetrical and gynecological nurse, and know some
of the difficulties in treating Muslim women in the United States where they
would be a minority population. In the United States, our health care system
is totally inadequate to meets the needs of people who wanted high quality
medical care and have religious/cultural  beliefs that prevent people from
the opposite gender from seeing them nude.

The way that it can effect women who want to be educated is important, too,
and very relevant to our work on Wikimedia projects.

I find your information about feminist reaction in Western Europe to be
interesting and informative. As I mentioned in another thread today, there
can be vastly differing opinions among feminists about issues related to
sexually topics.

Sydney










 

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

[Sydney Poore]

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:24 AM, paolo massa pa...@gnuband.org wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net
 wrote:
  On 07/09/2011 04:02, Nathan wrote:
  If you have time you can have a look at the photos in pregnancy pages in
  Farsi and Arabic. You have the languages column in the left of the
  English page. The decency of those pages, which in North American
  feminism would be typically considered as protecting women, is now in
  Western Europe becoming associated with a threat to civic rights of
  women. The pages with the naked woman are the pages of countries with
  strong women rights.

 You can possibly more easily check Linguistic Points Of View (LPOV) of
 different Wikipedia communities using Manypedia, a tool we developed
 for cross-cultural investigations.


Paolo,

This is very cool, and useful for cross wiki work. :-)

Thank you for your work on this and bringing it to our attention.

Sydney
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Re: [Gendergap] High-heeled shoes as a case study

[Sydney Poore]

On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote:

  The number of images in Category:High-heeled shoes is higher than most
  categories about footwear. Approximately one- third of the images are of
  full body shots of attractive females who are wearing high heeled shoes,
 and
  a significant number of them are nude or posed in sexually provocative
  positions.
 

 Hmm, yes, it's very different from all the other categories about
 types of shoes.

 I was just having a look at that category and this image caught my
 eye:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Young_girl_with_see-through_tops_and_shorts.jpg

 It was bot-transferred over from Flickr with a description of Hello,
 My name is Amber and I'm 5' 1 and very petite. I like to meet new
 people and I'm very easy to get to know. Just ad me as a friend to see
 all my pics and any comments, notes, and favorites are appreciated
 too. bye for

 The Flickr accounts originally involved have since been deleted

 This makes me very suspicious that we've basically taken an image from
 a porn-spammer and unquestioningly put it on Commons

 Chris
 (The Land)


Chris, that is a good point.

Commons has other images of Amber. Including one with the original
description You guys can get as ruff as you like. I promise I won't break!!
bye for now, Amber 

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Teen_in_tank_top_and_cut-offs.jpg

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Re: [Gendergap] High-heeled shoes as a case study

[Sydney Poore]

://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:PEOPLEhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:High-heeled_shoesapplies,
  and the uploader should state that permission was obtained to take
  publish the image.  If this has not been done, please either contact the
 uploader or propose deletion.

 Toby Hudson  /  99of9


 On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.comwrote:

 Category:High-heeled shoes is an excellent example of the current
 problem WMF projects are having with creating and disseminating content 
 that
 is unbiased.

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:High-heeled_shoes

 This category is different that most all the other categories about
 footwear because it contains many images that are not primarily examples of
 high-heeled shoes. Most other categories about footwear contain mostly
 images of shoes or the lower leg(s) with a shoe or shoes.

 The number of images in Category:High-heeled shoes is higher than most
 categories about footwear. Approximately one- third of the images are of
 full body shots of attractive females who are wearing high heeled shoes, 
 and
 a significant number of them are nude or posed in sexually provocative
 positions.

 There are random women who are wearing shoes and are mixed in with the
 porn-stars and strip-tease dancers. These women are being objectified and
 sexualized without their consent because of the way the the images are
 displayed in  the category. See Wikipedia article on Sexualization
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualization for a description of the
 term.

 In each language that has Wikipedia articles about high-heeled shoes,
 the content is about a type of footwear, so the links in the articles that
 lead to commons are directing people to nudity or sexual content that they
 would not anticipate. There are other problems with some of the images,
 including unclear consent for the image to be uploaded by the subject of 
 the
 image.

 I see this category as a concrete example of systemic bias coming from
 having a male dominated editing community.

 Leather boots is only other category that I found that also has a large
 number of images of people. It also contain a disproportionate number of
 images of women who are nude or in sexually provocative poses.

 I think that it is important to continue to talk about these issues in
 the hope that more people with became educated about the problems with with
 our current methods to collect, categorize, and disseminate content.

 Sydney Poore
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Re: [Gendergap] High-heeled shoes as a case study

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On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote:

 Just a follow up...

 It doesn't even matter, anymore. Some of these images have been nominated
 before, and been kept. They all just keep stating I don't know the policies
 and that they are in scope. Perhaps it all is and perhaps I really am an
 idiot who just can't comprehend the policies, despite reading things
 multiple times.

 I think the policy about Flickr accounts being deleted and it doesn't
 matter is one of the stupidest ideas. Two of the images I nominated have
 incorrect licenses and were still uploaded from Flickr and okayed by a
 bot, despite the Flickr account stating they are all rights reserved. I also
 don't get how a deleted Flickr account can still be considered a source.

 Commons is really good at making a smart person feel stupid and like a
 gnat.

 -Sarah


Sarah

I know that some of the images have been nominated before and kept, and some
of the images have to be repeatedly re-categorized, too. I get frustrated
and at times feel that it is a time sink with no end in sight.

That is the reason that I wrote to the mailing list to discuss the matter as
an community issue. I have come to believe that is rooted in the culture
values of the WMF editors who add loads of these images to commons.

We can't walk away from the issue because it is too important. We need to
discuss it so that we can better understand why that we are having trouble
addressing the issue in a way that is promotes an inclusive editing
environment.

Sydney



 On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Toby Hudson tob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sarah,

 The principle of least surprise is roughly the following:
 People who go to a category/gallery/encyclopedia-article expecting
 something (shoes) should not be surprised by something they may find
 offensive (naked women wearing shoes).


 One way to ensure this is to make clearly labelled subcategories for the
 potentially offensive material.  In this case, I made a subcategory:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Women_wearing_high-heeled_shoes
 and within that

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Nude_women_wearing_high-heeled_shoes

 so everyone who visits that category knows exactly what they're going to
 see in advance.


 Regarding your Flickr question: Whether the account is deleted or not
 doesn't usually change whether or not the picture is in scope.  But deleted
 accounts do make the copyright status more questionable.  At the time of
 upload, the bot would check that the license is correct, but that doesn't
 eliminate the possibility that the Flickr user is uploading copyright
 violations to their Flickr account (Flickrwashing).  If there are other
 likely signs of copyright violation, I would nominate for deletion (as I did
 for the other image mentioned in this thread
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Young_girl_with_see-through_tops_and_shorts.jpg).
 When the account is still active, you can also check the rest of the Flickr
 user's contributions to get a good sense of whether they are really the
 author of the photos they're uploading.

 Snapshots aren't necessarily out of scope just because they're snapshots,
 they're sometimes realistically useful for an educational purpose.

 Toby



 On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Sarah Stierch 
 sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Toby -

 Sorry to be a n00b but, can you explain what you mean by refactoring
 this category according to the principle of least surprise?

 For anyone else - if you find an image that has been uploaded by a Flickr
 bot, and the Flickr account has been deleted what do you do? I notice a
 large portion of images like this are often snapshot uneducational photos
 (here is an example:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Labace_%2824%29.jpg) I was going
 to nominate it for just being out of scope because Commons is not a
 repository for snapshots.

 ;)

 Asking questions like this on Commons-L isn't very pleasant, so thanks
 for helping!

 Thanks,

 Sarah


 On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Toby Hudson tob...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've made a start on refactoring this category according to the
 principle of least surprise.  Feel free to do this whenever you notice a
 surprising image in a mundane category.

 Regarding consent, if any of the identifiable women are in private
 locations, 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:PEOPLEhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:High-heeled_shoesapplies,
  and the uploader should state that permission was obtained to take
  publish the image.  If this has not been done, please either contact the
 uploader or propose deletion.

 Toby Hudson  /  99of9


 On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.comwrote:

 Category:High-heeled shoes is an excellent example of the current
 problem WMF projects are having with creating and disseminating content 
 that
 is unbiased.

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki

Re: [Gendergap] Females and underrepresented students coming onboard

[Sydney Poore]

Thank you Karen for letting us know that you are inviting your students to
the mailing list. It would be great to hear their perspective on the topics
related to gender and Wikipedia (and Wikimedia). So, I hope that they decide
to participate.

Sydney

FloNight

On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Karen Sue Rolph karenro...@hotmail.comwrote:


  Dear Colleagues,

 I am too busy right now to weigh in on everything I'd like to; I have
 expertise on gender and diversity, which is why I'm here.

 I am offering the gendergap list to my Wikipedia class (university)
 students effective next week, so please anticipate new faces.  The
 greatest concentration will be female, but I am pleased we have a diverse
 group, ethnically, linguistically, and culturally.  Please be kind to our
 newcomers; we may all make some mistakes while coming to understand
 Wikipedia's liberties and constraints.  I will not assign the list in terms
 of coursework, but I want (especially female) students to know this forum
 exists.  Some students will have staying power; I see it as a shared
 privilege to encourage all students demonstrating an inclination to get
 involved with Wikipedia contributing.  Thank you in advance for supporting
 new subscribers to this list, and the goal of greater gender and diversity
 equity in Wikipedia.

 KSRolph

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