Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In London?
I have been called rather worse than paternalistic on wiki and elsewhere:) The offer still stands, but rather than leave Carrite's thread as the only response I will take the opportunity to expand on it a little. London, for reasons obvious and otherwise is one of the centres of the wiki community, It isn't just a city of 8million, there is a much larger population who are in commuting distance. I am a regular at the London meetup and I'm also part time staff at Wikimedia UK. I know there are quite a lot of admins and other functionaries in or near London. I am in a position to convene and promote such an event, and arrange space at the chapter's office so it can be hosted for free at a convenient location in central London. Wikimania is about 6 months away and will only get a subset of the audience you want for such a session, albeit an even bigger subset than London. So running an event in London would mean starting a diversity training program much more quickly than starting it at Wikimania, and an extra chance to get the content of the event right. If the London event shows that for example you aren't yet clear what changes you want people to make in their behaviour, then there could still be time to get that right. So if someone is willing to run a training session in London then please get in touch on or off list. Otherwise I would be obliged if someone could give me a link to a page which explains what diversity training for wikipedia admins would involve. Regards Jonathan Cardy > On 18 Jan 2015, at 21:35, J Hayes wrote: > > i concur > we need to be open to people, and team with them based on conduct > this remark tends to play into the negative stereotype, which is not what we > are about. > > > >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Leigh Honeywell wrote: >> Tim, this kind ofsnippiness is inappropriate and unhelpful. I'll be >> unsubscribing you from the list. >> >> >>> On Sunday, January 18, 2015, Tim Davenport wrote: >>> >>>[Jonathan Cardy wrote:] "I have no problem arranging the room, putting >>> >>>up a geonotice and being an attendee." >>> >>> It seems to me that Jonathan is a little unclear with Lightbreather's >>> concept >>> >>> You are male. You make "safe" spaces unsafe by your very existence. You are >>> not welcome. Go away. >>> >>> Sorry, well-meaning paternalistic friend, you just don't have the right >>> chromosomes to play. >>> >>> >>> Tim Davenport >>> "Corvallis, OR" >>> Corvallis, OR USA >>> >>> >>> >>> = >>> >>> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:43:52 + >>> From: WereSpielChequers >>> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the >>> participation of women within Wikimedia projects." >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In >>> London? >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> It would be very easy for us to host a two hour session in London on a >>> weekday evening at the UK offices. I am fairly sure we could get a bunch of >>> admins and others to attend, aside from some of the London regulars who >>> have agreed in principle, a geonotice would likely attract more. >>> >>> I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an >>> attendee. However I would need a volunteer to run the session. That isn't >>> just because I'm the wrong gender to run such an event, but at the moment I >>> don't know what changes in behaviour you would be hoping to train people >>> into. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Jonathan Cardy >> >> >> -- >> Leigh Honeywell >> http://hypatia.ca >> @hypatiadotca >> >> ___ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In London?
Thanks, Leigh. That guy attacked me regularly during the "cuntgate" business on WP, and especially while the GGTF ArbCom was open. Lightbreather On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Leigh Honeywell wrote: > Tim, this kind ofsnippiness is inappropriate and unhelpful. I'll be > unsubscribing you from the list. > > > On Sunday, January 18, 2015, Tim Davenport wrote: > >> >>>[Jonathan Cardy wrote:] "I have no problem arranging the room, >> putting up a geonotice and being an attendee." >> >> It seems to me that Jonathan is a little unclear with Lightbreather's >> concept >> >> You are male. You make "safe" spaces unsafe by your very existence. You >> are not welcome. Go away. >> >> Sorry, well-meaning paternalistic friend, you just don't have the right >> chromosomes to play. >> >> >> Tim Davenport >> "Corvallis, OR" >> Corvallis, OR USA >> >> >> >> = >> >> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:43:52 +0000 >> From: WereSpielChequers >> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the >> participation of women within Wikimedia projects." >> >> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In >> London? >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> It would be very easy for us to host a two hour session in London on a >> weekday evening at the UK offices. I am fairly sure we could get a bunch of >> admins and others to attend, aside from some of the London regulars who >> have agreed in principle, a geonotice would likely attract more. >> >> I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an >> attendee. However I would need a volunteer to run the session. That isn't >> just because I'm the wrong gender to run such an event, but at the moment I >> don't know what changes in behaviour you would be hoping to train people >> into. >> >> Regards >> >> Jonathan Cardy >> > > > -- > Leigh Honeywell > http://hypatia.ca > @hypatiadotca > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In London?
i concur we need to be open to people, and team with them based on conduct this remark tends to play into the negative stereotype, which is not what we are about. On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Leigh Honeywell wrote: > Tim, this kind ofsnippiness is inappropriate and unhelpful. I'll be > unsubscribing you from the list. > > > On Sunday, January 18, 2015, Tim Davenport wrote: > >> >>>[Jonathan Cardy wrote:] "I have no problem arranging the room, >> putting up a geonotice and being an attendee." >> >> It seems to me that Jonathan is a little unclear with Lightbreather's >> concept >> >> You are male. You make "safe" spaces unsafe by your very existence. You >> are not welcome. Go away. >> >> Sorry, well-meaning paternalistic friend, you just don't have the right >> chromosomes to play. >> >> >> Tim Davenport >> "Corvallis, OR" >> Corvallis, OR USA >> >> >> >> = >> >> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:43:52 +0000 >> From: WereSpielChequers >> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the >> participation of women within Wikimedia projects." >> >> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In >> London? >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> It would be very easy for us to host a two hour session in London on a >> weekday evening at the UK offices. I am fairly sure we could get a bunch of >> admins and others to attend, aside from some of the London regulars who >> have agreed in principle, a geonotice would likely attract more. >> >> I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an >> attendee. However I would need a volunteer to run the session. That isn't >> just because I'm the wrong gender to run such an event, but at the moment I >> don't know what changes in behaviour you would be hoping to train people >> into. >> >> Regards >> >> Jonathan Cardy >> > > > -- > Leigh Honeywell > http://hypatia.ca > @hypatiadotca > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In London?
Tim, this kind ofsnippiness is inappropriate and unhelpful. I'll be unsubscribing you from the list. On Sunday, January 18, 2015, Tim Davenport wrote: > >>>[Jonathan Cardy wrote:] "I have no problem arranging the room, putting > up a geonotice and being an attendee." > > It seems to me that Jonathan is a little unclear with Lightbreather's > concept > > You are male. You make "safe" spaces unsafe by your very existence. You > are not welcome. Go away. > > Sorry, well-meaning paternalistic friend, you just don't have the right > chromosomes to play. > > > Tim Davenport > "Corvallis, OR" > Corvallis, OR USA > > > > = > > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:43:52 + > From: WereSpielChequers > > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In > London? > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > It would be very easy for us to host a two hour session in London on a > weekday evening at the UK offices. I am fairly sure we could get a bunch of > admins and others to attend, aside from some of the London regulars who > have agreed in principle, a geonotice would likely attract more. > > I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an > attendee. However I would need a volunteer to run the session. That isn't > just because I'm the wrong gender to run such an event, but at the moment I > don't know what changes in behaviour you would be hoping to train people > into. > > Regards > > Jonathan Cardy > -- Leigh Honeywell http://hypatia.ca @hypatiadotca ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In London?
My auto correct changed on-wiki to on-line. I did/do mean on-wiki. On Jan 18, 2015 9:53 AM, "LB" wrote: > Please don't misrepresent me. Wanting ONE safe place on-line for women > only (which is what I want) is not the same as wanting no men anywhere > where women are (not wanted by anyone, that I've seen) . Besides, isn't > this thread about diversity training? Did it change to talk off a > women-only space? If so, I missed that segue. > > Carrite/Tim, are you a men's rights advocate? > On Jan 18, 2015 9:26 AM, "Tim Davenport" wrote: > >> >>>[Jonathan Cardy wrote:] "I have no problem arranging the room, >> putting up a geonotice and being an attendee." >> >> It seems to me that Jonathan is a little unclear with Lightbreather's >> concept >> >> You are male. You make "safe" spaces unsafe by your very existence. You >> are not welcome. Go away. >> >> Sorry, well-meaning paternalistic friend, you just don't have the right >> chromosomes to play. >> >> >> Tim Davenport >> "Corvallis, OR" >> Corvallis, OR USA >> >> >> >> ===== >> >> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:43:52 + >> From: WereSpielChequers >> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the >> participation of women within Wikimedia projects." >> >> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In >> London? >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> It would be very easy for us to host a two hour session in London on a >> weekday evening at the UK offices. I am fairly sure we could get a bunch of >> admins and others to attend, aside from some of the London regulars who >> have agreed in principle, a geonotice would likely attract more. >> >> I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an >> attendee. However I would need a volunteer to run the session. That isn't >> just because I'm the wrong gender to run such an event, but at the moment I >> don't know what changes in behaviour you would be hoping to train people >> into. >> >> Regards >> >> Jonathan Cardy >> >> ___ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In London?
Please don't misrepresent me. Wanting ONE safe place on-line for women only (which is what I want) is not the same as wanting no men anywhere where women are (not wanted by anyone, that I've seen) . Besides, isn't this thread about diversity training? Did it change to talk off a women-only space? If so, I missed that segue. Carrite/Tim, are you a men's rights advocate? On Jan 18, 2015 9:26 AM, "Tim Davenport" wrote: > >>>[Jonathan Cardy wrote:] "I have no problem arranging the room, putting > up a geonotice and being an attendee." > > It seems to me that Jonathan is a little unclear with Lightbreather's > concept > > You are male. You make "safe" spaces unsafe by your very existence. You > are not welcome. Go away. > > Sorry, well-meaning paternalistic friend, you just don't have the right > chromosomes to play. > > > Tim Davenport > "Corvallis, OR" > Corvallis, OR USA > > > > = > > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:43:52 + > From: WereSpielChequers > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In > London? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > It would be very easy for us to host a two hour session in London on a > weekday evening at the UK offices. I am fairly sure we could get a bunch of > admins and others to attend, aside from some of the London regulars who > have agreed in principle, a geonotice would likely attract more. > > I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an > attendee. However I would need a volunteer to run the session. That isn't > just because I'm the wrong gender to run such an event, but at the moment I > don't know what changes in behaviour you would be hoping to train people > into. > > Regards > > Jonathan Cardy > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In London?
>>>[Jonathan Cardy wrote:] "I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an attendee." It seems to me that Jonathan is a little unclear with Lightbreather's concept You are male. You make "safe" spaces unsafe by your very existence. You are not welcome. Go away. Sorry, well-meaning paternalistic friend, you just don't have the right chromosomes to play. Tim Davenport "Corvallis, OR" Corvallis, OR USA = Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:43:52 + From: WereSpielChequers To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects." Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In London? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" It would be very easy for us to host a two hour session in London on a weekday evening at the UK offices. I am fairly sure we could get a bunch of admins and others to attend, aside from some of the London regulars who have agreed in principle, a geonotice would likely attract more. I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an attendee. However I would need a volunteer to run the session. That isn't just because I'm the wrong gender to run such an event, but at the moment I don't know what changes in behaviour you would be hoping to train people into. Regards Jonathan Cardy ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In London?
It would be very easy for us to host a two hour session in London on a weekday evening at the UK offices. I am fairly sure we could get a bunch of admins and others to attend, aside from some of the London regulars who have agreed in principle, a geonotice would likely attract more. I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an attendee. However I would need a volunteer to run the session. That isn't just because I'm the wrong gender to run such an event, but at the moment I don't know what changes in behaviour you would be hoping to train people into. Regards Jonathan Cardy > On 29 Dec 2014, at 18:28, Chris Keating wrote: > > Hi Anne, Kerry and Christina - and everyone else, > > So the Wikimedia Conference programme committee appears keen to do something > useful in terms of creating space for gender - gap work. So I wondered if you > had any further thoughts about what *might* work at the Wikimedia Conference. > > As Anne points out it is an audience of people from Wikimedia movement > organisations - board members, executive directors (where they exist), and a > smaller number of other staff. Compared to other Wikimedia events there is > probably a greater language and geographical diversity. There is also a > reasonable degree of awareness of the issue - better than one would find if > you put english Wikipedia administrators in a room. > > The main focus for the conference is going to be on helping Wikimedia > organisations grow, learn and improve - we are looking to give people > practical outcomes, and are avoiding theoretical discussion as far as > possible. > > Thoughts on what we can put in the programme on this issue are very welcome > :) (I'll pass everything on to the programme committee, though I suspect I'm > not the only member of it subscribed to this list). > > Thanks and happy new year! > > Chris > >> On 19 Dec 2014 07:21, "Kerry Raymond" wrote: >> Can I suggest that the Wikimedia Conference do a train-the-trainer session >> with a view to the chapters running sessions locally in addition to the >> Wikimania session. Not many people get to go to Wikimania so the chapters >> approach would be more scalable. >> >> >> >> Kerry >> >> >> >> >> >> From: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org >> [mailto:gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Risker >> Sent: Friday, 19 December 2014 2:16 AM >> To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the >> participationof women within Wikimedia projects. >> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries >> >> >> >> While it might be suitable as a "pilot" at the Wikimedia Conference (I >> promise not to harp on the name here), it's a by-invitation conference >> focused on chapter/affiliate executives, many of whom have very limited >> on-wiki presence. I'm not persuaded that they're the target audience. >> >> >> >> In fact, I'd suggest this would probably be best suited to a full-day >> session targeted at active Wikimedia project administrators and those with >> higher level permissions (think: oversighters, who frequently deal with >> requests from women who feel harassed because of gender; checkusers tracking >> down sockpuppets of harassers, and stewards, who can act in either role on >> projects that don't have their own CU/OS). There is not much overlap >> between these active on-wiki leaders and the leaders of chapters/affiliates. >> Strikes me that this would be more ideal for Wikimania, perhaps as a pre-WM >> session if that can be arranged. >> >> >> >> Risker/anne >> >> >> >> On 18 December 2014 at 11:04, Chris Keating >> wrote: >> >> Hi Christina - this sounds very interesting - would you be happy for me to >> propose it as a possible topic in the Wikimedia Conference, for which I'm on >> the programme committee? >> >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Christina Burger >> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Please allow me to briefly introduce myself before coming to the >> point: I am Christina Dinar and I work at Wikimedia Deutschland for >> 1,5 years now. Originally, I was employed to take care of community >> projects that address newbies and enhance the diversity in Wikipedia >> as well other Wikimedia projects. I came with the professional >> background of doing workshops with young adults in political >> education, doing diversity trainings in order to address some of their >> existing social and violent behavioral problems with each other. >> Somehow it never got to that moment that I could actually offer this >> knowledge and experience to the German Wikipedia Community–my >> professional focus here shifted and I started to work in other fields. >> >> Coming from this background, I could definitely offer a diversity >> workshop at Wikimania, for functionaries as well as on the level of >> introduction as a train-the-trainer. We even have developed diver
