Re: [Gendergap] FW: [Social-media] Blog post: Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia

[rupert THURNER]

On Mar 7, 2015 1:36 AM, "Pine W"  wrote:

> Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are interested, and
> forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case they want to share this blog post
> at the Art and Feminism event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!)
> this weekend.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pine
> On Mar 6, 2015 4:24 PM, "Fabrice Florin"  wrote:
>
>> Looks like the link below still had the inspire story URL in the HTML.
>>
>> Here is the correct link in plain text:
>>
>>
>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/
>>
>> Enjoy … and have a wonderful weekend!
>>
>> -f
>>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fabrice Florin  wrote:
>>
>> Hello social media team,
>>
>> We just published a roundup of some of the women who contribute to
>> Wikipedia on the blog:
>>
>>
>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/
>> 
>>
>> Many thanks to Andrew, Victor, Heather, and everyone who helped write and
>> edit this post — as well as the many profiles and videos featured in it! :)
>>
>>
>> Here are proposed social media messages for this story:
>>
>>
>> Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):
>>
>> Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia -- and find out why
>> they do it. (link) #genderdiversity
>>
>>
>> Facebook/Google+
>>
>> Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia: To celebrate
>> International Women’s Day, we've featured 11 different profiles and videos
>> of frequent editors and community leaders. Hear their inspiring stories and
>> find out why they keep editing. (link)
>>
>>
>> Feel free to tweak as needed.
>>
>> Thanks for helping share this story with our community!
>>
>>
>> Fabrice
>>
>>
>> ___
>>
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>> Movement Communications Manager
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>
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>>
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Re: [Gendergap] FW: [Social-media] Blog post: Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia

[Fabrice Florin]

Hi folks,

Thanks for bringing this up — and for all your great suggestions!

We appreciate this is a sensitive topic and we’ll definitely keep your comments 
in mind for future stories about women and gender diversity.

This particular story is already out and widely socialized, so it’s a bit late 
for copy tweaks at this stage.

That said, I believe the opening lines of the story help clarify any doubts a 
reader might have about its contents:

"To celebrate International Women’s Day we want to share some of the inspiring 
stories of women who contribute to Wikipedia and the Wikimedia projects.”

Personally, I found these stories very inspiring — and I hope they will engage 
many other readers as well.

Be well,


Fabrice


> On Mar 6, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Isarra Yos  wrote:
> 
> It was probably intended along the same lines as the 'meet the team behind X' 
> phrasing commonly used on corporate sites; it's just that since it is women 
> specifically it brings up the whole 'meet some women' thing, which has gotten 
> pretty ingrained these days.
> 
> Those are all good suggestions, though. Anything that says what it is without 
> hitting the random weird implications would work, but that's often 
> surprisingly tricky.
> 
> -I
> 
> On 07/03/15 01:07, Katherine Casey wrote:
>> Oh, I'm sure it's not at all intended! It strikes me as one of those things 
>> that would only be recognized as A Thing by someone who was already aware of 
>> "meeting women" and PUAs as A Thing (google "meet women" for a sense of what 
>> I mean. For bonus ick points, google " 'meet women' + PUA") . Basically it's 
>> a phrasing which is much more commonly used in the context of "acquainting 
>> oneself with women for sexual/romantic purposes" than it is in the context 
>> of "women are people, let's meet some people!"
>> 
>> For other ideas: nearly any other phrasing - "Hear from some female 
>> wikipedians", "Find out more about some of the women who edit Wikipedia", 
>> "Female Wikipedians discuss why they do what they do!", "A survey of some of 
>> Wikipedia's female editors" - would communicate "this is a blog post about 
>> female wikipedians" without the sort of awkward implication of "...presented 
>> here for men to examine and select from, as one does when one 'meets' women" 
>> that's part of the cultural baggage of the phrase.
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Pine W > > wrote:
>> I don't think that is Fabrice's intent. What edits would you suggest?
>> 
>> Pine
>> 
>> On Mar 6, 2015 4:46 PM, "Katherine Casey" > > wrote:
>> I might be a little punch-drunk from all the gender drama lately, 
>> but..."meet some of the women who edit Wikipedia!" sounds more like an 
>> introduction to a speed-dating event to me than what is presumably intended 
>> to be a demystification/de-othering blog post. "Come meet some women" isn't 
>> exactly a phrase that comes without baggage, culturally speaking, and it 
>> makes me wince to see female editors being announced in a tone that makes 
>> them sound like exotic zoo animals.
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Pine W > > wrote:
>> Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are interested, and 
>> forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case they want to share this blog post 
>> at the Art and Feminism event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!) this 
>> weekend.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Pine
>> 
>> On Mar 6, 2015 4:24 PM, "Fabrice Florin" > > wrote:
>> Looks like the link below still had the inspire story URL in the HTML.
>> 
>> Here is the correct link in plain text:
>> 
>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Enjoy … and have a wonderful weekend!
>> 
>> -f
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 6, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fabrice Florin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello social media team,
>>> 
>>> We just published a roundup of some of the women who contribute to 
>>> Wikipedia on the blog:
>>> 
>>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Many thanks to Andrew, Victor, Heather, and everyone who helped write and 
>>> edit this post — as well as the many profiles and videos featured in it! :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here are proposed social media messages for this story:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):
>>> 
>>> Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia -- and find out why they 
>>> do it. (link) #genderdiversity
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Facebook/Google+
>>> 
>>> Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia: To celebrate 
>>> International Women’s Day, we've featured 11 different profiles and videos 
>>> of frequent editors and community leaders. Hear their inspiring st

Re: [Gendergap] FW: [Social-media] Blog post: Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia

[Isarra Yos]

It was probably intended along the same lines as the 'meet the team 
behind X' phrasing commonly used on corporate sites; it's just that 
since it is women specifically it brings up the whole 'meet some women' 
thing, which has gotten pretty ingrained these days.


Those are all good suggestions, though. Anything that says what it is 
without hitting the random weird implications would work, but that's 
often surprisingly tricky.


-I

On 07/03/15 01:07, Katherine Casey wrote:
Oh, I'm sure it's not at all intended! It strikes me as one of those 
things that would only be recognized as A Thing by someone who was 
already aware of "meeting women" and PUAs as A Thing (google "meet 
women" for a sense of what I mean. For bonus ick points, google " 
'meet women' + PUA") . Basically it's a phrasing which is much more 
commonly used in the context of "acquainting oneself with women for 
sexual/romantic purposes" than it is in the context of "women are 
people, let's meet some people!"


For other ideas: nearly any other phrasing - "Hear from some female 
wikipedians", "Find out more about some of the women who edit 
Wikipedia", "Female Wikipedians discuss why they do what they do!", "A 
survey of some of Wikipedia's female editors" - would communicate 
"this is a blog post about female wikipedians" without the sort of 
awkward implication of "...presented here for men to examine and 
select from, as one does when one 'meets' women" that's part of the 
cultural baggage of the phrase.


On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Pine W > wrote:


I don't think that is Fabrice's intent. What edits would you suggest?

Pine

On Mar 6, 2015 4:46 PM, "Katherine Casey"
mailto:fluffernutter.w...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I might be a little punch-drunk from all the gender drama
lately, but..."meet some of the women who edit Wikipedia!"
sounds more like an introduction to a speed-dating event to me
than what is presumably intended to be a
demystification/de-othering blog post. "Come meet some women"
isn't exactly a phrase that comes without baggage, culturally
speaking, and it makes me wince to see female editors being
announced in a tone that makes them sound like exotic zoo animals.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Pine W mailto:wiki.p...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are
interested, and forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case
they want to share this blog post at the Art and Feminism
event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!) this weekend.

Cheers,

Pine

On Mar 6, 2015 4:24 PM, "Fabrice Florin"
mailto:fflo...@wikimedia.org>> wrote:

Looks like the link below still had the inspire story
URL in the HTML.

Here is the correct link in plain text:


https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/

Enjoy … and have a wonderful weekend!

-f



On Mar 6, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fabrice Florin
mailto:fflo...@wikimedia.org>> wrote:

Hello social media team,

We just published a roundup of some of the women who
contribute to Wikipedia on the blog:


https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/




Many thanks to Andrew, Victor, Heather, and everyone
who helped write and edit this post — as well as the
many profiles and videos featured in it! :)


Here are proposed social media messages for this story:


Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):

Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia --
and find out why they do it. (link) #genderdiversity


Facebook/Google+

Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia:
To celebrate International Women’s Day, we've
featured 11 different profiles and videos of frequent
editors and community leaders. Hear their inspiring
stories and find out why they keep editing. (link)


Feel free to tweak as needed.

Thanks for helping share this story with our community!


Fabrice


___

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Wikimedia Foundation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)




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Re: [Gendergap] FW: [Social-media] Blog post: Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia

[Katherine Casey]

Oh, I'm sure it's not at all intended! It strikes me as one of those things
that would only be recognized as A Thing by someone who was already aware
of "meeting women" and PUAs as A Thing (google "meet women" for a sense of
what I mean. For bonus ick points, google " 'meet women' + PUA") .
Basically it's a phrasing which is much more commonly used in the context
of "acquainting oneself with women for sexual/romantic purposes" than it is
in the context of "women are people, let's meet some people!"

For other ideas: nearly any other phrasing - "Hear from some female
wikipedians", "Find out more about some of the women who edit Wikipedia",
"Female Wikipedians discuss why they do what they do!", "A survey of some
of Wikipedia's female editors" - would communicate "this is a blog post
about female wikipedians" without the sort of awkward implication of
"...presented here for men to examine and select from, as one does when one
'meets' women" that's part of the cultural baggage of the phrase.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> I don't think that is Fabrice's intent. What edits would you suggest?
>
> Pine
> On Mar 6, 2015 4:46 PM, "Katherine Casey" 
> wrote:
>
>> I might be a little punch-drunk from all the gender drama lately,
>> but..."meet some of the women who edit Wikipedia!" sounds more like an
>> introduction to a speed-dating event to me than what is presumably intended
>> to be a demystification/de-othering blog post. "Come meet some women" isn't
>> exactly a phrase that comes without baggage, culturally speaking, and it
>> makes me wince to see female editors being announced in a tone that makes
>> them sound like exotic zoo animals.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>>
>>> Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are interested, and
>>> forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case they want to share this blog post
>>> at the Art and Feminism event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!)
>>> this weekend.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Pine
>>> On Mar 6, 2015 4:24 PM, "Fabrice Florin"  wrote:
>>>
 Looks like the link below still had the inspire story URL in the HTML.

 Here is the correct link in plain text:


 https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/

 Enjoy … and have a wonderful weekend!

 -f


 On Mar 6, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fabrice Florin 
 wrote:

 Hello social media team,

 We just published a roundup of some of the women who contribute to
 Wikipedia on the blog:


 https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/
 

 Many thanks to Andrew, Victor, Heather, and everyone who helped write
 and edit this post — as well as the many profiles and videos featured in
 it! :)


 Here are proposed social media messages for this story:


 Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):

 Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia -- and find out why
 they do it. (link) #genderdiversity


 Facebook/Google+

 Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia: To celebrate
 International Women’s Day, we've featured 11 different profiles and videos
 of frequent editors and community leaders. Hear their inspiring stories and
 find out why they keep editing. (link)


 Feel free to tweak as needed.

 Thanks for helping share this story with our community!


 Fabrice


 ___

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 Movement Communications Manager
 Wikimedia Foundation

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)



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Re: [Gendergap] FW: [Social-media] Blog post: Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia

[Pine W]

I don't think that is Fabrice's intent. What edits would you suggest?

Pine
On Mar 6, 2015 4:46 PM, "Katherine Casey" 
wrote:

> I might be a little punch-drunk from all the gender drama lately,
> but..."meet some of the women who edit Wikipedia!" sounds more like an
> introduction to a speed-dating event to me than what is presumably intended
> to be a demystification/de-othering blog post. "Come meet some women" isn't
> exactly a phrase that comes without baggage, culturally speaking, and it
> makes me wince to see female editors being announced in a tone that makes
> them sound like exotic zoo animals.
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>
>> Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are interested, and
>> forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case they want to share this blog post
>> at the Art and Feminism event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!)
>> this weekend.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Pine
>> On Mar 6, 2015 4:24 PM, "Fabrice Florin"  wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like the link below still had the inspire story URL in the HTML.
>>>
>>> Here is the correct link in plain text:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/
>>>
>>> Enjoy … and have a wonderful weekend!
>>>
>>> -f
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fabrice Florin 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello social media team,
>>>
>>> We just published a roundup of some of the women who contribute to
>>> Wikipedia on the blog:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/
>>> 
>>>
>>> Many thanks to Andrew, Victor, Heather, and everyone who helped write
>>> and edit this post — as well as the many profiles and videos featured in
>>> it! :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Here are proposed social media messages for this story:
>>>
>>>
>>> Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):
>>>
>>> Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia -- and find out why
>>> they do it. (link) #genderdiversity
>>>
>>>
>>> Facebook/Google+
>>>
>>> Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia: To celebrate
>>> International Women’s Day, we've featured 11 different profiles and videos
>>> of frequent editors and community leaders. Hear their inspiring stories and
>>> find out why they keep editing. (link)
>>>
>>>
>>> Feel free to tweak as needed.
>>>
>>> Thanks for helping share this story with our community!
>>>
>>>
>>> Fabrice
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>>
>>> Fabrice Florin
>>> Movement Communications Manager
>>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Gendergap] FW: [Social-media] Blog post: Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia

[Katherine Casey]

I might be a little punch-drunk from all the gender drama lately,
but..."meet some of the women who edit Wikipedia!" sounds more like an
introduction to a speed-dating event to me than what is presumably intended
to be a demystification/de-othering blog post. "Come meet some women" isn't
exactly a phrase that comes without baggage, culturally speaking, and it
makes me wince to see female editors being announced in a tone that makes
them sound like exotic zoo animals.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are interested, and
> forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case they want to share this blog post
> at the Art and Feminism event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!)
> this weekend.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pine
> On Mar 6, 2015 4:24 PM, "Fabrice Florin"  wrote:
>
>> Looks like the link below still had the inspire story URL in the HTML.
>>
>> Here is the correct link in plain text:
>>
>>
>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/
>>
>> Enjoy … and have a wonderful weekend!
>>
>> -f
>>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fabrice Florin  wrote:
>>
>> Hello social media team,
>>
>> We just published a roundup of some of the women who contribute to
>> Wikipedia on the blog:
>>
>>
>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/
>> 
>>
>> Many thanks to Andrew, Victor, Heather, and everyone who helped write and
>> edit this post — as well as the many profiles and videos featured in it! :)
>>
>>
>> Here are proposed social media messages for this story:
>>
>>
>> Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):
>>
>> Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia -- and find out why
>> they do it. (link) #genderdiversity
>>
>>
>> Facebook/Google+
>>
>> Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia: To celebrate
>> International Women’s Day, we've featured 11 different profiles and videos
>> of frequent editors and community leaders. Hear their inspiring stories and
>> find out why they keep editing. (link)
>>
>>
>> Feel free to tweak as needed.
>>
>> Thanks for helping share this story with our community!
>>
>>
>> Fabrice
>>
>>
>> ___
>>
>> Fabrice Florin
>> Movement Communications Manager
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
>>
>>
>>
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[Gendergap] FW: [Social-media] Blog post: Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia

[Pine W]

Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are interested, and
forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case they want to share this blog post
at the Art and Feminism event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!)
this weekend.

Cheers,

Pine
On Mar 6, 2015 4:24 PM, "Fabrice Florin"  wrote:

> Looks like the link below still had the inspire story URL in the HTML.
>
> Here is the correct link in plain text:
>
>
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/
>
> Enjoy … and have a wonderful weekend!
>
> -f
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fabrice Florin  wrote:
>
> Hello social media team,
>
> We just published a roundup of some of the women who contribute to
> Wikipedia on the blog:
>
>
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/
> 
>
> Many thanks to Andrew, Victor, Heather, and everyone who helped write and
> edit this post — as well as the many profiles and videos featured in it! :)
>
>
> Here are proposed social media messages for this story:
>
>
> Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):
>
> Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia -- and find out why
> they do it. (link) #genderdiversity
>
>
> Facebook/Google+
>
> Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia: To celebrate
> International Women’s Day, we've featured 11 different profiles and videos
> of frequent editors and community leaders. Hear their inspiring stories and
> find out why they keep editing. (link)
>
>
> Feel free to tweak as needed.
>
> Thanks for helping share this story with our community!
>
>
> Fabrice
>
>
> ___
>
> Fabrice Florin
> Movement Communications Manager
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
>
>
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