Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch
Looks like we're keeping Sarah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sarah_Stierch Decision:Keep Hmmm, was he referring to MY yapping about other stuff? Oh, well ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: Looks like we're keeping Sarah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sarah_Stierch Decision:Keep I'll repeat here what I said during the discussion: I'd like to say how delighted I am in the quality of the discussion here, on the sensitive topic of one of our own (albeit one of our own who seems to have no enemies in the project, as opposed to some of us more prickly types who have gotten on many folks' nerves and/or stepped on their toes). -- Michael J. Orange Mike Lowrey When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food and clothes. -- Desiderius Erasmus ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch
On 1/20/2013 7:07 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote: On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Valerie Aurora vale...@adainitiative.org wrote: Can you believe Wikipedia Community Fellow and first Smithsonian Wikipedian-in-residence Sarah Stierch didn't have a Wikipedia biography until today? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Stierch It's only my second article creation, and I could use some help expanding it from a stub if you have some time to contribute! Much as I like Sarah, I don't think she qualifies as notable to the outside world per [[:WP:BIO]]. With a great deal of reluctance, I've started an AfD discussion, which I hope you will all chime in upon! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Foundation Better get busy, I see at least 10 articles with fewer and less substantial refs. CM ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch
This is really one of the weirdest things ever. I have to admit. I also remember when Danese Cooper wrote an email to this list complaining about her article and I rewrote it and it's never had a problem since. Sadly, I can't write my own article. ;) I'm flattered anyone would even consider writing about me. I'm also not surprised that it's OrangeMike who has nominated it for deletion. By the time I hit 16 technically I had met notability guidelines, but, I don't expect anyone to go digging into my past that deep. If anyone wants a list of reliable sources independent of the subject, let me know. I have coverage about me dating back to when I was in my early 20's. That probably sounds crazy, but, they don't call me DJ Sarah Vain (I DJ'd for 10 years and promoted concerts nationally for longer) for no reason. ;) I even have content about me that was published in old punk rock fanzines that are notable from the 90's someplace. Ha ha ha ha. I can also provide you a list of 10 other people you probably know who deserve their articles deleted if I do. ;) I have to say, the sad thing is watching people nominate you for deletion and not even bother actually researching you. And yeah, as Carol said, there are a lot worse people out there with coverage. I actually had to nominate Alolita Sharma's article after I tried to improve it for hours on end, because of lack of reliable coverage. So it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about. I suppose watching myself get nominated for deletion just makes me want to say try to improve before you delete. But, when I graduated high school I was voted most likely to be serial killer, the US president, and the class clown. So.. whatever ;) -Sarah On 1/20/13 4:07 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote: On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Valerie Aurora vale...@adainitiative.org wrote: Can you believe Wikipedia Community Fellow and first Smithsonian Wikipedian-in-residence Sarah Stierch didn't have a Wikipedia biography until today? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Stierch It's only my second article creation, and I could use some help expanding it from a stub if you have some time to contribute! Much as I like Sarah, I don't think she qualifies as notable to the outside world per [[:WP:BIO]]. With a great deal of reluctance, I've started an AfD discussion, which I hope you will all chime in upon! -- *Sarah Stierch* */Museumist and open culture advocate/* Visit sarahstierch.com http://sarahstierch.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch
I suppose watching myself get nominated for deletion just makes me want to say try to improve before you delete. But, when I graduated high school I was voted most likely to be serial killer, the US president, and the class clown. So.. whatever ;) was there any independent coverage of that... if so, it's going in the article :-) ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch
Ha ha. I think the only thing I have from that is from some little tiny flier that went out announcing who was named what in high school. So no. Here's one if you can dig it up: My father and I are featured in the book Awkward Family Photos. If you can find that one I'll buy you a beer in Hong Kong. (or a sticky bun, your choice) ;) -Sarah On 1/21/13 11:13 AM, Chris Keating wrote: I suppose watching myself get nominated for deletion just makes me want to say try to improve before you delete. But, when I graduated high school I was voted most likely to be serial killer, the US president, and the class clown. So.. whatever ;) was there any independent coverage of that... if so, it's going in the article :-) ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- *Sarah Stierch* */Museumist and open culture advocate/* Visit sarahstierch.com http://sarahstierch.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: HAHAHA. Yes, page 106. A young unhappy goth with her dad in New Orleans. My necklace spells out riot grrrl. I owe you a beer :) It's a good photograph. You dad looks nice, and you look cool (and nice too). I like the black nail polish. :) ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: HAHAHA. Yes, page 106. A young unhappy goth with her dad in New Orleans. My necklace spells out riot grrrl. Well, you're definitely the Wikipedian in residence in that book. :) ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch
Yes, I get that part. I'm actually rather surprised by that, but then again I don't know Sarah well enough to understand her perspective. Risker/Anne On 21 January 2013 21:42, Katherine Casey fluffernutter.w...@gmail.comwrote: While I mostly agree with your take about the judgment being shown around this article, Risker, it bears noting that Sarah seems more than happy to have the article - indeed, she's contributing sources to it to make sure it stays kept. -Fluff On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I find my thoughts about this heading in so many different directions, I'm not really sure where to start. Of all the people on Wikipedia, I would have thought that people on this list would be intensely aware of the hazards of having a biographical article about oneself on Wikipedia, particularly one that will likely be little-watched, and for whom huge numbers of editors will have significant conflicts of interest in editing. This is particularly true of articles about women, it seems, and especially women of borderline notability. This is a target painted on Sarah's back. She may not realise it yet, but having spent a good chunk of the last several years dealing with vandals and trolls, she's a really juicy target. Indeed, one could easily say that the creator of this article had a significant conflict of interest in writing an article about someone who is an advisor to the author's non-profit, AND who has made significant edits to the author's article. Imagine if Jimmy Wales went around writing biographical articles about the WMF Board's advisory council members - we all know what digestive products would hit the oscillating ventilator. (Of course, the major variable is the quality of writing - I am happy to grant that it's well written.) Conflict of interest is already a very major battleground on the project, although we've not really discussed it much on this list. I'm sorry but I think this was a bad idea. It seriously increases the risk that other wikimedians will find themselves with an unwanted biography that will be pretty well impossible to remove from the project. That might be fine for some, but it's a significant concern for a lot of others, and I know of several wikimedians who are similarly borderline notable but who go out of their way to avoid media or turn down speaking engagements because they do not want a Wikipedia article about them. I'm afraid this low bar to notability is so unhealthy that it's had an effect on our own community. Risker/Anne ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch
Can you believe Wikipedia Community Fellow and first Smithsonian Wikipedian-in-residence Sarah Stierch didn't have a Wikipedia biography until today? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Stierch It's only my second article creation, and I could use some help expanding it from a stub if you have some time to contribute! Thanks for all your hard work, Sarah, -VAL -- Increasing the participation of women in open technology and culture http://adainitiative.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Valerie Aurora vale...@adainitiative.org wrote: Can you believe Wikipedia Community Fellow and first Smithsonian Wikipedian-in-residence Sarah Stierch didn't have a Wikipedia biography until today? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Stierch It's only my second article creation, and I could use some help expanding it from a stub if you have some time to contribute! Much as I like Sarah, I don't think she qualifies as notable to the outside world per [[:WP:BIO]]. With a great deal of reluctance, I've started an AfD discussion, which I hope you will all chime in upon! -- Michael J. Orange Mike Lowrey When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food and clothes. -- Desiderius Erasmus ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
