Re: [Gendergap] World Naked Gardening Day

[Gillian White]

I agree with what Thomas said in his explanation for removing the image and
also with what Carol said on the Discussion page - why doesn't someone go
out into their garden naked with a trowel and have their picture taken
enjoying doing the gardening - something with a better balance between
plants and flesh? [?] Hmmm. Perhaps a group from Wikiproject Biology or even
Wikiproject Earth Sciences could  offer their services. I thought of doing
it myself (this new idea of naked gardening has some appeal) but by the
time the idea came to me, alas, darkness had fallen and there was no
article "World Naked Gardening Day Night".

Whiteghost.ink

On 8 April 2012 05:13, Caroline Becker  wrote:

> The image was not of someone gardening naked. It was a sexy picture of a
> very attractive young woman. Just imagine the same picture with the woman
> fully clothed and ask yourself if this picture would illustrate a general
> article about gardening. If I had to take a picture to illustrate naked
> gardening, I would have ask the model to bend her knees (because it is much
> more confortable) and I would have taken the picture from the opposite
> angle, with a focus one her hands which is actually the part of her body
> she uses to garden (or maybe there is a way to garden with one's vulva my
> grandparents never teached me of).
>
> If you're still no convinced, just compare with
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_hiking : people on the picture are
> hiking, not sexy posing while pretending to hike.
>
> Caroline
>
>
>
> 2012/4/7 Carol Moore DC 
>
>> On 4/7/2012 10:35 AM, Bob Sponge wrote:
>>
>>> welcome to censorpedia
>>>
>>> we fight probalbly sexism with our own middle-age-view on the world
>>>
>>> and oppress any non appreciated right for free expression
>>>
>>> than we told the critics idiots
>>>
>>>
>>>  The photo is obviously more about a sexy and stimulating phyical stance
>> taken by a naked female than about illustrating the article's point. Just
>> like a picture emphasizing an erect penis would be. There's a difference
>> between censorship and avoiding prurient WP:Undue.
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Re: [Gendergap] World Naked Gardening Day

[Caroline Becker]

The image was not of someone gardening naked. It was a sexy picture of a
very attractive young woman. Just imagine the same picture with the woman
fully clothed and ask yourself if this picture would illustrate a general
article about gardening. If I had to take a picture to illustrate naked
gardening, I would have ask the model to bend her knees (because it is much
more confortable) and I would have taken the picture from the opposite
angle, with a focus one her hands which is actually the part of her body
she uses to garden (or maybe there is a way to garden with one's vulva my
grandparents never teached me of).

If you're still no convinced, just compare with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_hiking : people on the picture are
hiking, not sexy posing while pretending to hike.

Caroline


2012/4/7 Carol Moore DC 

> On 4/7/2012 10:35 AM, Bob Sponge wrote:
>
>> welcome to censorpedia
>>
>> we fight probalbly sexism with our own middle-age-view on the world
>>
>> and oppress any non appreciated right for free expression
>>
>> than we told the critics idiots
>>
>>
>>  The photo is obviously more about a sexy and stimulating phyical stance
> taken by a naked female than about illustrating the article's point. Just
> like a picture emphasizing an erect penis would be. There's a difference
> between censorship and avoiding prurient WP:Undue.
>
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Re: [Gendergap] World Naked Gardening Day

[Béria Lima]

I agree with Carol. I have nothing against nude pictures (God knows how
many fights i got into because of them) but that picture is more about the
obvious sexual position than the gardening (which is the point of this
article.)
_
*Béria Lima*

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. *


On 7 April 2012 16:03, Carol Moore DC  wrote:

> On 4/7/2012 10:35 AM, Bob Sponge wrote:
>
>> welcome to censorpedia
>>
>> we fight probalbly sexism with our own middle-age-view on the world
>>
>> and oppress any non appreciated right for free expression
>>
>> than we told the critics idiots
>>
>>
>>  The photo is obviously more about a sexy and stimulating phyical stance
> taken by a naked female than about illustrating the article's point. Just
> like a picture emphasizing an erect penis would be. There's a difference
> between censorship and avoiding prurient WP:Undue.
>
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Re: [Gendergap] World Naked Gardening Day

[Carol Moore DC]

On 4/7/2012 10:35 AM, Bob Sponge wrote:

welcome to censorpedia

we fight probalbly sexism with our own middle-age-view on the world

and oppress any non appreciated right for free expression

than we told the critics idiots


The photo is obviously more about a sexy and stimulating phyical stance 
taken by a naked female than about illustrating the article's point. 
Just like a picture emphasizing an erect penis would be. There's a 
difference between censorship and avoiding prurient WP:Undue.


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Re: [Gendergap] World Naked Gardening Day

[Bob Sponge]

welcome to censorpedia

we fight probalbly sexism with our own middle-age-view on the world

and oppress any non appreciated right for free expression

than we told the critics idiots

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Re: [Gendergap] World Naked Gardening Day

[Thomas Morton]

Oh stop blithering like an idiot* and apply a little common sense.

The image isn't appropriate in that article. I don't object to it in
general.

Stop being needlessly dramatic.

Tom

* I'm taking your cue for rudeness here

On 5 April 2012 12:54, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> If you don't particularly object to that image
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_Naked_Gardening_Day&oldid=485677881
>
> then I would suggest you have very poor taste and very little sense of
> what an encyclopedia, even an online encyclopedia, should look like.
>
> Andreas
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Thomas Morton <
> morton.tho...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I removed it with this explanation:
>>
>> I've removed the image; I suggest not restoring it (as controversial)
>>> unless it is decided by consensus to be the permanent lead image. There is
>>> no need to have a sub-standard image in the mean time if a better one can
>>> be found (which I think is the case). The photo is a posed shot -
>>> apparently promotional(?) - which focuses on the nudity with only a token
>>> gesture to gardening. It is gratuitous, in that form, and not a good
>>> illustration of the subject.
>>
>>
>> I don't particularly object to the image myself; but it's not a good
>> illustration of the topic.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On 5 April 2012 11:36, Ole Palnatoke Andersen wrote:
>>
>>> Someone might know (or know of) Mark Storey who is gardening on
>>> http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day - or perhaps
>>> http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dlj  (aka
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dandelion1 ) who uploaded the image?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ole
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Gillian White <
>>> whiteghost@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
  Sorry to say...
 Right now, on the English Wikipedia main page "did you know" section,
 is "World Naked Gardening Day":
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day
 You will note on the talkpage of the article there's been a vigorous
 debate about the choice of image used
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Naked_Gardening_Day This
 morning (my time) the image was not there, with [[user:alan liefting]]
 working hard to argue against the photo that has now been placed at the
 top. I am dismayed on behalf of women and of gardeners too! I have come
 across [[User:Supernova Explosion]] before - he seems to use titillating
 captions and images to increase the hits to otherwise legitimate 'did you
 know' nominations and is now the user who has been arguing that this photo
 has "consensus" to be included while they wait for a better one to be 
 found.

 Groan!

 I don't want to get involved in an edit-war about this case, but can
 anything be done about this case specifically? Is it the right approach to
 remove the image and to ask that the discussion about its appropriateness
 be delayed until at least after the DYK link is gone??

 Whiteghost.ink

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Re: [Gendergap] World Naked Gardening Day

[Andreas Kolbe]

If you don't particularly object to that image

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_Naked_Gardening_Day&oldid=485677881

then I would suggest you have very poor taste and very little sense of what
an encyclopedia, even an online encyclopedia, should look like.

Andreas

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Thomas Morton  wrote:

> I removed it with this explanation:
>
> I've removed the image; I suggest not restoring it (as controversial)
>> unless it is decided by consensus to be the permanent lead image. There is
>> no need to have a sub-standard image in the mean time if a better one can
>> be found (which I think is the case). The photo is a posed shot -
>> apparently promotional(?) - which focuses on the nudity with only a token
>> gesture to gardening. It is gratuitous, in that form, and not a good
>> illustration of the subject.
>
>
> I don't particularly object to the image myself; but it's not a good
> illustration of the topic.
>
> Tom
>
> On 5 April 2012 11:36, Ole Palnatoke Andersen  wrote:
>
>> Someone might know (or know of) Mark Storey who is gardening on
>> http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day - or perhaps
>> http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dlj  (aka
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dandelion1 ) who uploaded the image?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ole
>>
>>  On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Gillian White > > wrote:
>>
>>>  Sorry to say...
>>> Right now, on the English Wikipedia main page "did you know" section, is
>>> "World Naked Gardening Day":
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day
>>> You will note on the talkpage of the article there's been a vigorous
>>> debate about the choice of image used
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Naked_Gardening_Day This
>>> morning (my time) the image was not there, with [[user:alan liefting]]
>>> working hard to argue against the photo that has now been placed at the
>>> top. I am dismayed on behalf of women and of gardeners too! I have come
>>> across [[User:Supernova Explosion]] before - he seems to use titillating
>>> captions and images to increase the hits to otherwise legitimate 'did you
>>> know' nominations and is now the user who has been arguing that this photo
>>> has "consensus" to be included while they wait for a better one to be found.
>>>
>>> Groan!
>>>
>>> I don't want to get involved in an edit-war about this case, but can
>>> anything be done about this case specifically? Is it the right approach to
>>> remove the image and to ask that the discussion about its appropriateness
>>> be delayed until at least after the DYK link is gone??
>>>
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Re: [Gendergap] World Naked Gardening Day

[Thomas Morton]

I removed it with this explanation:

I've removed the image; I suggest not restoring it (as controversial)
> unless it is decided by consensus to be the permanent lead image. There is
> no need to have a sub-standard image in the mean time if a better one can
> be found (which I think is the case). The photo is a posed shot -
> apparently promotional(?) - which focuses on the nudity with only a token
> gesture to gardening. It is gratuitous, in that form, and not a good
> illustration of the subject.


I don't particularly object to the image myself; but it's not a good
illustration of the topic.

Tom

On 5 April 2012 11:36, Ole Palnatoke Andersen  wrote:

> Someone might know (or know of) Mark Storey who is gardening on
> http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day - or perhaps
> http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dlj  (aka
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dandelion1 ) who uploaded the image?
>
>
> Regards,
> Ole
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Gillian White 
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry to say...
>> Right now, on the English Wikipedia main page "did you know" section, is
>> "World Naked Gardening Day":
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day
>> You will note on the talkpage of the article there's been a vigorous
>> debate about the choice of image used
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Naked_Gardening_Day This morning
>> (my time) the image was not there, with [[user:alan liefting]] working hard
>> to argue against the photo that has now been placed at the top. I am
>> dismayed on behalf of women and of gardeners too! I have come across
>> [[User:Supernova Explosion]] before - he seems to use titillating captions
>> and images to increase the hits to otherwise legitimate 'did you know'
>> nominations and is now the user who has been arguing that this photo has
>> "consensus" to be included while they wait for a better one to be found.
>>
>> Groan!
>>
>> I don't want to get involved in an edit-war about this case, but can
>> anything be done about this case specifically? Is it the right approach to
>> remove the image and to ask that the discussion about its appropriateness
>> be delayed until at least after the DYK link is gone??
>>
>> Whiteghost.ink
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Re: [Gendergap] World Naked Gardening Day

[Ole Palnatoke Andersen]

Someone might know (or know of) Mark Storey who is gardening on
http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day - or perhaps
http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dlj  (aka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dandelion1 ) who uploaded the image?


Regards,
Ole

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Gillian White wrote:

> Sorry to say...
> Right now, on the English Wikipedia main page "did you know" section, is
> "World Naked Gardening Day":
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day
> You will note on the talkpage of the article there's been a vigorous
> debate about the choice of image used
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Naked_Gardening_Day This morning
> (my time) the image was not there, with [[user:alan liefting]] working hard
> to argue against the photo that has now been placed at the top. I am
> dismayed on behalf of women and of gardeners too! I have come across
> [[User:Supernova Explosion]] before - he seems to use titillating captions
> and images to increase the hits to otherwise legitimate 'did you know'
> nominations and is now the user who has been arguing that this photo has
> "consensus" to be included while they wait for a better one to be found.
>
> Groan!
>
> I don't want to get involved in an edit-war about this case, but can
> anything be done about this case specifically? Is it the right approach to
> remove the image and to ask that the discussion about its appropriateness
> be delayed until at least after the DYK link is gone??
>
> Whiteghost.ink
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[Gendergap] World Naked Gardening Day

[Gillian White]

Sorry to say...
Right now, on the English Wikipedia main page "did you know" section, is
"World Naked Gardening Day":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day
You will note on the talkpage of the article there's been a vigorous debate
about the choice of image used
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Naked_Gardening_Day This morning
(my time) the image was not there, with [[user:alan liefting]] working hard
to argue against the photo that has now been placed at the top. I am
dismayed on behalf of women and of gardeners too! I have come across
[[User:Supernova Explosion]] before - he seems to use titillating captions
and images to increase the hits to otherwise legitimate 'did you know'
nominations and is now the user who has been arguing that this photo has
"consensus" to be included while they wait for a better one to be found.

Groan!

I don't want to get involved in an edit-war about this case, but can
anything be done about this case specifically? Is it the right approach to
remove the image and to ask that the discussion about its appropriateness
be delayed until at least after the DYK link is gone??

Whiteghost.ink
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