[Gendergap] article differentials/unnecessary drama

2011-12-26 Thread Erin O'Rourke
I'll echo Kevin's words, as I couldn't have said it better myself:

To me, article differentials like this are one of the most interesting
manifestations of the gender gap, and are worth talking about on this list.
Content that deals primarily with women is systematically underdeveloped
throughout the projects, and that is a big deal.  The gendergap would still
be disturbing even if this weren't the case - but to me at least, the
systemic underdevelopment of content is probably the single most worrisome
issue involved.

And while I may not jumping to join in on conversations regarding photos of
questionable value to Wikipedia I think it prompts important discussions
about how to shape the policy and culture of Wikipedia while preserving the
intention of the site.

In addition, if you're calling for less drama I'd suggest you heed your own
words, Beria. Pete's response did not imply you're not qualified to talk
but rather called for some more constructive feedback and ideas. Obviously
you're doing a lot for the gender gap and that's great. On the other hand,
the attitude is completely uncalled for.
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Re: [Gendergap] article differentials/unnecessary drama

2011-12-26 Thread Béria Lima
Hi Erin.

First we are - and we never - discussed *Content that deals primarily with
women is systematically underdeveloped throughout the projects* what we
did discussed here was 3 or 4 articles *from en.wiki* that Sarah thinks
need to be remade. As far as I know, we have more than 700 projects...
en.wiki can be the biggest, but is not the only one. And even if we changed
all the articles in this language, would not do much for the other several
million woman around the world. And we are trying to solve the gender gap
in all the projects here, not only in en.wiki and not only in USA.

So forgive me if I do believe that discuss 3 en.wiki articles will do
nothing as far as gender gap solve is concerned. Might be good examples to
someone when they are doing a presentation, but that is as far as this can
go.

And one think is discuss something - even when people have different
opinion than yours, another completely different is play the *poor me,
nothing I do is good* every time someone has a criticism against your work.
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*Béria Lima*
Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt
(351) 963 953 042

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*


On 26 December 2011 02:34, Erin O'Rourke orourk...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll echo Kevin's words, as I couldn't have said it better myself:

 To me, article differentials like this are one of the most interesting
 manifestations of the gender gap, and are worth talking about on this
 list.
 Content that deals primarily with women is systematically underdeveloped
 throughout the projects, and that is a big deal.  The gendergap would
 still
 be disturbing even if this weren't the case - but to me at least, the
 systemic underdevelopment of content is probably the single most worrisome
 issue involved.

 And while I may not jumping to join in on conversations regarding photos
 of questionable value to Wikipedia I think it prompts important discussions
 about how to shape the policy and culture of Wikipedia while preserving the
 intention of the site.

 In addition, if you're calling for less drama I'd suggest you heed your
 own words, Beria. Pete's response did not imply you're not qualified to
 talk but rather called for some more constructive feedback and ideas.
 Obviously you're doing a lot for the gender gap and that's great. On the
 other hand, the attitude is completely uncalled for.
 --
 Erin O'Rourke
 http://erin-orourke.com


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Re: [Gendergap] article differentials/unnecessary drama

2011-12-26 Thread Caroline Becker
This is exactly where my problem comes from : en-wiki is not wikipedia
but one of many wikipedias, and wikipedias is not Wikimedia project. Just
to illustrate how the discussion pimp vs madam is cultural-biased, in
French wikipedia, the inter-wiki for pimp is proxénétisme (hustling)
and the article is gender-neutral.

It would be interesting to have stats of all wikipedias comparing, for
instance, the number of article about women scientists compared to article
about men scientists (and the same for actor/actresses,
sportmen/sportwomen).

Caroline


2011/12/26 Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt

 As far as I know, we have more than 700 projects... en.wiki can be the
 biggest, but is not the only one. And even if we changed all the articles
 in this language, would not do much for the other several million woman
 around the world. And we are trying to solve the gender gap in all the
 projects here, not only in en.wiki and not only in USA.

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