I think that some people may have a police state mentality around these parts. But, of course, there are wonderful diligent people, too. I enjoy looking up odd subjects that help in my research -- whether college dating or hazing.
Kind regards, Mig -- On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:00 PM, <gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org>wrote: > Send Gendergap mailing list submissions to > gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gendergap-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Gendergap digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Am I crazy? (B?ria Lima) > 2. Re: Am I crazy? (Nathan) > 3. Re: Am I crazy? (Daniel and Elizabeth Case) > 4. Re: Am I crazy? (Daniel and Elizabeth Case) > 5. Re: Am I crazy? (Nathan) > 6. Re: Am I crazy? (Lady of Shalott) > 7. Re: Am I crazy? (Sue Gardner) > 8. Re: Am I crazy? (Gillian White) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:12:49 +0100 > From: B?ria Lima <beria.l...@wikimedia.pt> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? > To: fredb...@fairpoint.net, Increasing female participation in > Wikimedia projects <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <caa2xhjbur3v-knc2t4bbde12tju0rkyl3xmw7lrolks+338...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > *It would not have to be a gender related issue for this to occur.* > > > > Fred is right in that point. I'm not a gender editor (my articles almost > never have problems with gender issues), however, the topic is one where > you > can find the most biased people on earth: Religion. > > And I would say you case was not the worst one, the worst case i can > imagine > (and already happened with me several times) is to remove biased info (or > include NPOV info) in an article about a religion / god / dogma who is > watched by some believer of the same god / religion. ;) > _____ > *B?ria Lima* > Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> > (351) 963 953 042 > > *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > livre > acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que estamos a > fazer.* > > > On 24 October 2011 18:54, Fred Bauder <fredb...@fairpoint.net> wrote: > > > > I've never particularly felt the "boys club" atmosphere on Wikipedia > > > that apparently deters some women. However, I am very angry right now. > > > I tried to add [[date rape]] as a "see also" link to the very > > > incomplete article [[college dating]]. The relevance seemed obvious to > > > me. It was removed by two separate people, and when I took it to the > > > talk page, its relevance was questioned, and I was told to "prove it" > > > because it was "obvious to whom?" Fine. I've proven it with sourcing, > > > adding a small section. I think that needed to happen anyway, but I'm > > > infuriated that I could not just add a see also link to it and tell > > > the students who are really working on the article that a section > > > needed adding. (The people who removed the link are seasoned > > > Wikipedians, not members of the class developing the article.) Am I > > > crazy? > > > > > > LadyofShalott > > > > No, that is the usual reaction of biased editors of all persuasions, to > > throw their mind out of gear, when obvious conclusions which contradict > > their bias are advanced. > > > > It would not have to be a gender related issue for this to occur. > > > > Fred > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20111024/bbd7a841/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:13:52 -0400 > From: Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <calkx9dquym_3jybfpsunw7m3fkwrmdpecsegvfpwxyxnzof...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I question whether "college dating" deserves an article to begin with. > If it does, which the text of the article doesn't at all establish, > the current article has a pretty fatal case of systemic bias. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:16:10 -0400 > From: "Daniel and Elizabeth Case" <danc...@frontiernet.net> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? > To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: <6BC79C0C9DE44D779B5156A841AC35A9@Dcase102796> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathan > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:13 PM > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? > > I question whether "college dating" deserves an article to begin with. > If it does, which the text of the article doesn't at all establish, > the current article has a pretty fatal case of systemic bias. > > > On the surface I tend to agree, but then I read the AfD: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/College_dating > > Daniel Case > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:17:46 -0400 > From: "Daniel and Elizabeth Case" <danc...@frontiernet.net> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? > To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: <5EA72D57C76A4108AA835C2356056251@Dcase102796> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > > Well, it's not rectified yet. The one source I've given thus far is > not enough apparently. I have to add more. > > Already done: > > > http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/25/nyregion/new-policy-is-aimed-at-preventing-date-rape-on-campuses.html > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=College_dating&diff=457185120&oldid=457178405 > > Daniel Case > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:24:15 -0400 > From: Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CALKX9dReBo2wwjU3n45Qi6f7xQru8Ob_=lidsrmppdjmovs...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Not convinced by the AfD. "Snow" kept after less than 24 hours, based > on one substantial vote and a bunch of "what he said" votes that > didn't address whether "college dating" is so distinct a phenomena > that it needs to be treated separately from [[dating]]. A search > string of +college +dating is obviously going to return a lot of > results, that doesn't prove notability - and notability isn't the only > concern. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:25:30 -0400 > From: Lady of Shalott <ladyofshalott...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <cacv6lkfc6gpuspdvmmq8qgoc-lq_jdua4ja4hrocoydegoj...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Thanks! Does someone here have access to the full article at > <http://gas.sagepub.com/content/3/4/457.short>? > > LoS > > On 10/24/11, Daniel and Elizabeth Case <danc...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > > > > > > Well, it's not rectified yet. The one source I've given thus far is > > not enough apparently. I have to add more. > > > > Already done: > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/25/nyregion/new-policy-is-aimed-at-preventing-date-rape-on-campuses.html > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=College_dating&diff=457185120&oldid=457178405 > > > > Daniel Case > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:11:44 -0700 > From: Sue Gardner <sgard...@wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CAGZ0=LP7uvTuG5uxGq_GtaJZ-ryCvz6yXs0dr=si0hSgEnNW=w...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Yeah, personally I think the subject is notable. There has been tons > of academic research and popular history written about the history of > dating, college dating, the invention of the 'teenager,' etc. Even > just within the United States. > > I think I did a radio series on this once -- IIRC, Beth Bailey was a > really great source. She wrote this fascinating book: > http://www.amazon.com/Front-Porch-Back-Seat-Twentieth-Century/dp/0801839351 > . > Susan J. Douglas was good too, as well as Stephanie Coontz and Barbara > Ehrenreich. They are all American, though. Lots has been written about > the UK too, but I'm not sure about other cultures/countries. > > Thanks, > Sue > > > -- > ?Sue Gardner > Executive Director > Wikimedia Foundation > > 415 839 6885 office > 415 816 9967 cell > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in > the sum of all knowledge.? Help us make it a reality! > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > > > On 24 October 2011 11:16, Daniel and Elizabeth Case > <danc...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nathan > > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:13 PM > > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? > > > > I question whether "college dating" deserves an article to begin with. > > If it does, which the text of the article doesn't at all establish, > > the current article has a pretty fatal case of systemic bias. > > > > > > ? ?On the surface I tend to agree, but then I read the AfD: > > > > ? ? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/College_dating > > > > Daniel Case > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:00:55 +1100 > From: Gillian White <whiteghost....@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <camrpczuu0pngieadof9rtk3upejhosj3r-q9uzagwwjbsdz...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Apart from any content problems, the article had no context. It was not > linked to what should be regarded as its parents. And that lack of > coherence, combined with its specific terminology made it largely > incomprehensible to people unfamiliar with American educational systems, > aside from its social practices. For example, it is by no means universal > that students live in residential colleges while attending university. I > had > a go at giving it some context so readers can go from one article to the > next (specifically, from "courtship" to "dating" to "college dating") but I > agree that it would be better if it was renamed, as the issues that are > distinctive to dating in college/university could then be developed. > > Gillian > > On 25 October 2011 06:11, Sue Gardner <sgard...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > Yeah, personally I think the subject is notable. There has been tons > > of academic research and popular history written about the history of > > dating, college dating, the invention of the 'teenager,' etc. Even > > just within the United States. > > > > I think I did a radio series on this once -- IIRC, Beth Bailey was a > > really great source. She wrote this fascinating book: > > > http://www.amazon.com/Front-Porch-Back-Seat-Twentieth-Century/dp/0801839351 > > . > > Susan J. Douglas was good too, as well as Stephanie Coontz and Barbara > > Ehrenreich. They are all American, though. Lots has been written about > > the UK too, but I'm not sure about other cultures/countries. > > > > Thanks, > > Sue > > > > > > -- > > ?Sue Gardner > > Executive Director > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > 415 839 6885 office > > 415 816 9967 cell > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in > > the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > > > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > > > > > > > On 24 October 2011 11:16, Daniel and Elizabeth Case > > <danc...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Nathan > > > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:13 PM > > > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? > > > > > > I question whether "college dating" deserves an article to begin with. > > > If it does, which the text of the article doesn't at all establish, > > > the current article has a pretty fatal case of systemic bias. > > > > > > > > > On the surface I tend to agree, but then I read the AfD: > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/College_dating > > > > > > Daniel Case > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gendergap mailing list > > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20111025/d0bc0ce3/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > End of Gendergap Digest, Vol 9, Issue 64 > **************************************** > -- Migdia & Cicero & Ulla & Tullia-Zoe & Clodia & Aurelius & Cato the Younger
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