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Yeah, I was sorry to hear about this too. Good luck with everything you do. Marie Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 17:00:42 -0700 From: myindigol...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Retired I'm sorry for not posting this sooner. Carol Moore dc: I was sad to learn that you had been banned or barred from Wikipedia. You edited a lot of the libertarian and more right-wing flavored political articles, and did a very good job of it. I am surprised that anyone would have a problem with your editing work. I was in respectful awe of you, as you were so authoritative and seemed well-regarded by even the most hard-core Rothbard and Mises fans, many of whom have strong opinions and are devoted followers of the subject matter. I mean no disrespect by this, as I have edited some of the Austrian economics articles and BLPs too. Lightbreather: I actually was getting to know you a little bit, and am so sorry to learn that you have been harassed into retiring. That is just awful of them. There are so few women who edit Wikipedia, and even fewer people who edit what I consider serious topics that it is a terrible shame to lose two who were subject matter experts. Yes, we are all equal in Wikipedia (yadda yadda...except when we aren't) but there aren't a surplus of editors who write well and know what they are talking about, of either gender. I use LinkedIn and am looking for work right now. I would be horrified if what Risker described happened to me:I've had to have three separate LinkedIn accounts purporting to be me taken down over the last 8 years, for example; others have had their personal images and names attached to accounts on porn sites, paid editing sites, and a fair number of other unsavory sites... ~ FeralOink (Ellie Kesselman) ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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I'm sorry for not posting this sooner. Carol Moore dc: I was sad to learn that you had been banned or barred from Wikipedia. You edited a lot of the libertarian and more right-wing flavored political articles, and did a very good job of it. I am surprised that anyone would have a problem with your editing work. I was in respectful awe of you, as you were so authoritative and seemed well-regarded by even the most hard-core Rothbard and Mises fans, many of whom have strong opinions and are devoted followers of the subject matter. I mean no disrespect by this, as I have edited some of the Austrian economics articles and BLPs too. Lightbreather: I actually was getting to know you a little bit, and am so sorry to learn that you have been harassed into retiring. That is just awful of them. There are so few women who edit Wikipedia, and even fewer people who edit what I consider serious topics that it is a terrible shame to lose two who were subject matter experts. Yes, we are all equal in Wikipedia (yadda yadda...except when we aren't) but there aren't a surplus of editors who write well and know what they are talking about, of either gender. I use LinkedIn and am looking for work right now. I would be horrified if what Risker described happened to me: I've had to have three separate LinkedIn accounts purporting to be me taken down over the last 8 years, for example; others have had their personal images and names attached to accounts on porn sites, paid editing sites, and a fair number of other unsavory sites... ~ FeralOink (Ellie Kesselman) ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Lightbreather , Thank you for all your efforts and take care. Though I have not known you personally . It makes me sad that you have to resign due to harassment. I wish it were not the case. I hope this serves as trigger for us to not just debate but also take concrete action about harassment in our communities. - Chinmayi On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 6:05 AM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote: Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who have been friendly with me over the past year. Lightbreather ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Once I saw that only 600 odd editors elected Arbcom I saw how easy it was for cliques and POV pushers supporting specific Arbs to take it over and use it for their own purposes, including continuing male supremacy on Wikipedia... They should have at least a floor of 1000 editors before the election is finalized. That might help a little. On 5/27/2015 12:43 AM, Risker wrote: There is a tendency to ascribe a great deal of power to the Arbitration Committee of English Wikipedia - and of the various arbitration committees, it is the one with the greatest scope and perceived power. In fact, Arbcom has almost no ability to manage the world outside of the pages of the Wikipedia project, and even within the project it can only handle minuscule portions of the activities. It has no power at all to control other websites, can only take action against Wikipedians acting outside of the project if there is an extremely clear and direct link between the Wikipedia persona and the persona outside of WP, and is very wary of taking action in the absence of direct links because many if not most arbitrators and functionaries over the last 8-10 years have been the subject of joe-jobs themselves. I've had to have three separate LinkedIn accounts purporting to be me taken down over the last 8 years, for example; others have had their personal images and names attached to accounts on porn sites, paid editing sites, and a fair number of other unsavory sites - so as a group we can honestly say there's plenty of reason to doubt in a lot of cases. Arbcom is not all-powerful. Even the full force of the WMF can only be turned on to the most extreme cases of harassment; there simply aren't the human resources to address comparatively run-of-the-mill harassment, especially when it's occurring outside the walls of their projects. Not even huge internet-based companies like Facebook, Twitter, or Yahoo have the personnel or the ability to prevent or address harassment on unrelated sites, and they have hundreds of times more community managers than the WMF has. To compare to a non-internet situation: How many police officers would be needed to effectively stop catcalls being directed to women walking down the street? Or preventing bullies from picking on the skinny kid? We know the answer - there aren't enough cops in the world to stop these things even in one medium-sized city. What needs to change is society's attitude toward these activities - and because the internet isn't a single society, the task is extremely difficult. The WMF isn't going to be able to solve it, Arbcom doesn't have a hope of solving it, and as long as the same privacy laws that prevent people from digging into deeply private information about us also protect people whose behaviour is very much unappreciated, I'm not sure the legal systems of most democratic countries will be able to solve it. Risker/Anne On 27 May 2015 at 00:21, Neotarf neot...@gmail.com mailto:neot...@gmail.com wrote: This might also be a good time to mention the conversation about harassment on the recent Inspire grant project. Fourteen of the proposals were concerned with managing harassment. I don't believe I ever saw anyone from the Foundation comment on this. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Community_discussion_on_harassment_reporting Instead we now have the English Wikipedia's Arbcom taking on their third or fourth sexual harassment within the year, without having even established a working definition of what it is. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Neotarf neot...@gmail.com mailto:neot...@gmail.com wrote: Totally understandable. I too have also been sexually harassed and doxxed, on at least two other sites besides WP. The ArbCom and the WMF are well aware of it, and have been unwilling to lift a finger against it. There is a book about cyber harassment making the rounds: Hate Crimes in Cyberspace by Danielle Keats Citron ISBN 978-0-674-36829-3 describing both the horrible price that individuals pay and the legal underpinnings of the problem. It's a pity WP is not in the vanguard of this movement in the same way it has pioneered in other areas. Instead, those who report harassment will find themselves treated worse than the harassers. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/26/2015 8:35 PM, LB wrote: Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who have been friendly with me over the past year. Lightbreather Plus all that on-wiki harassment! I did notice something interesting and actually positive in Lightbreather's arbitration,
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Lightbreather, I wish you the best, and I want you to know that I appreciate your voice of reason. Hopefully, things will change in the future, and you'll return to wiki activities as no one deserves to be silenced. Best, Rosie Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep @rosiestepgood On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:00 AM, gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: Send Gendergap mailing list submissions to gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at gendergap-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Gendergap digest... Today's Topics: 1. Retired (LB) 2. Re: Retired (Kevin Gorman) 3. Re: Retired (LB) 4. Re: Retired (Carol Moore dc) 5. Re: Retired (Neotarf) 6. Re: Retired (Neotarf) 7. Re: Retired (Risker) 8. Re: Retired (Jane Darnell) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 17:35:04 -0700 From: LB lightbreath...@gmail.com To: Gender gap mailing list gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] Retired Message-ID: caht1ectba_jn_+p3yky0jwfu5z3xs5yud7x5r5nohxqvl9e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who have been friendly with me over the past year. Lightbreather -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20150526/bacd514a/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 17:39:37 -0700 From: Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects. gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Retired Message-ID: cajja526apjavqsnasvuv-zv-7eweo6vzq0+1v+xxft0a_qi...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Lightbreather - I know I haven't been very active lately (I wound up with sepsis,) but I am sorry to see you go. I'm not very familiar with the on-wiki side of what happened to you, but I think it should be an urgent priority for WMF to develop better tools (and a culture that uses them) to handle both on-wiki and off-wiki harassment. I wish you the best, thank you for your contributions so far, and hope there's a time in the future where changes have been made to the point that you are interested in and comfortable coming back. Best, Kevin Gorman On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 5:35 PM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote: Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who have been friendly with me over the past year. Lightbreather ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20150526/621651e0/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 17:42:38 -0700 From: LB lightbreath...@gmail.com To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects. gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Retired Message-ID: caht1ecttxbodnp6rkqzv98cfh-nnmetjpy2pc8ahhsmn8mn...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Sorry to hear that you were ill, and thank you for the kind thoughts. Lightbreather On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lightbreather - I know I haven't been very active lately (I wound up with sepsis,) but I am sorry to see you go. I'm not very familiar with the on-wiki side of what happened to you, but I think it should be an urgent priority for WMF to develop better tools (and a culture that uses them) to handle both on-wiki and off-wiki harassment. I wish you the best, thank you for your contributions so far, and hope there's a time in the future where changes have been made to the point that you are interested in and comfortable coming back. Best, Kevin Gorman On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 5:35 PM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote: Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who have been friendly with me over the past year. Lightbreather
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I wish you all the best, and thanks for your efforts! On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:35 AM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote: Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who have been friendly with me over the past year. Lightbreather ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Hi Lightbreather - I know I haven't been very active lately (I wound up with sepsis,) but I am sorry to see you go. I'm not very familiar with the on-wiki side of what happened to you, but I think it should be an urgent priority for WMF to develop better tools (and a culture that uses them) to handle both on-wiki and off-wiki harassment. I wish you the best, thank you for your contributions so far, and hope there's a time in the future where changes have been made to the point that you are interested in and comfortable coming back. Best, Kevin Gorman On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 5:35 PM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote: Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who have been friendly with me over the past year. Lightbreather ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Sorry to hear that you were ill, and thank you for the kind thoughts. Lightbreather On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lightbreather - I know I haven't been very active lately (I wound up with sepsis,) but I am sorry to see you go. I'm not very familiar with the on-wiki side of what happened to you, but I think it should be an urgent priority for WMF to develop better tools (and a culture that uses them) to handle both on-wiki and off-wiki harassment. I wish you the best, thank you for your contributions so far, and hope there's a time in the future where changes have been made to the point that you are interested in and comfortable coming back. Best, Kevin Gorman On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 5:35 PM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote: Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who have been friendly with me over the past year. Lightbreather ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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On 5/26/2015 8:35 PM, LB wrote: Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who have been friendly with me over the past year. Lightbreather Plus all that on-wiki harassment! I did notice something interesting and actually positive in Lightbreather's arbitration, compared to GGTF and others I've seen. Which is that now editors only can comment on Arbitration talk pages in their own sections. This lessens opportunities for drive-by harassing taunts against, and replies against, various editors who harassers are trying to get kicked off Wikipedia. They have to take responsibility in their own sections. Perhaps my screaming about institutionalized harassment at Arbcom had at least this minor effect... I hope they keep it for all future arbitrations... Announcement on this page, after which went into effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather/Evidence#Sectioned_discussion_is_now_in_effect_on_this_page Also in effect here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather/Workshop ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Totally understandable. I too have also been sexually harassed and doxxed, on at least two other sites besides WP. The ArbCom and the WMF are well aware of it, and have been unwilling to lift a finger against it. There is a book about cyber harassment making the rounds: Hate Crimes in Cyberspace by Danielle Keats Citron ISBN 978-0-674-36829-3 describing both the horrible price that individuals pay and the legal underpinnings of the problem. It's a pity WP is not in the vanguard of this movement in the same way it has pioneered in other areas. Instead, those who report harassment will find themselves treated worse than the harassers. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/26/2015 8:35 PM, LB wrote: Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who have been friendly with me over the past year. Lightbreather Plus all that on-wiki harassment! I did notice something interesting and actually positive in Lightbreather's arbitration, compared to GGTF and others I've seen. Which is that now editors only can comment on Arbitration talk pages in their own sections. This lessens opportunities for drive-by harassing taunts against, and replies against, various editors who harassers are trying to get kicked off Wikipedia. They have to take responsibility in their own sections. Perhaps my screaming about institutionalized harassment at Arbcom had at least this minor effect... I hope they keep it for all future arbitrations... Announcement on this page, after which went into effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather/Evidence#Sectioned_discussion_is_now_in_effect_on_this_page Also in effect here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather/Workshop ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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This might also be a good time to mention the conversation about harassment on the recent Inspire grant project. Fourteen of the proposals were concerned with managing harassment. I don't believe I ever saw anyone from the Foundation comment on this. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Community_discussion_on_harassment_reporting Instead we now have the English Wikipedia's Arbcom taking on their third or fourth sexual harassment within the year, without having even established a working definition of what it is. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Neotarf neot...@gmail.com wrote: Totally understandable. I too have also been sexually harassed and doxxed, on at least two other sites besides WP. The ArbCom and the WMF are well aware of it, and have been unwilling to lift a finger against it. There is a book about cyber harassment making the rounds: Hate Crimes in Cyberspace by Danielle Keats Citron ISBN 978-0-674-36829-3 describing both the horrible price that individuals pay and the legal underpinnings of the problem. It's a pity WP is not in the vanguard of this movement in the same way it has pioneered in other areas. Instead, those who report harassment will find themselves treated worse than the harassers. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/26/2015 8:35 PM, LB wrote: Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who have been friendly with me over the past year. Lightbreather Plus all that on-wiki harassment! I did notice something interesting and actually positive in Lightbreather's arbitration, compared to GGTF and others I've seen. Which is that now editors only can comment on Arbitration talk pages in their own sections. This lessens opportunities for drive-by harassing taunts against, and replies against, various editors who harassers are trying to get kicked off Wikipedia. They have to take responsibility in their own sections. Perhaps my screaming about institutionalized harassment at Arbcom had at least this minor effect... I hope they keep it for all future arbitrations... Announcement on this page, after which went into effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather/Evidence#Sectioned_discussion_is_now_in_effect_on_this_page Also in effect here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather/Workshop ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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There is a tendency to ascribe a great deal of power to the Arbitration Committee of English Wikipedia - and of the various arbitration committees, it is the one with the greatest scope and perceived power. In fact, Arbcom has almost no ability to manage the world outside of the pages of the Wikipedia project, and even within the project it can only handle minuscule portions of the activities. It has no power at all to control other websites, can only take action against Wikipedians acting outside of the project if there is an extremely clear and direct link between the Wikipedia persona and the persona outside of WP, and is very wary of taking action in the absence of direct links because many if not most arbitrators and functionaries over the last 8-10 years have been the subject of joe-jobs themselves. I've had to have three separate LinkedIn accounts purporting to be me taken down over the last 8 years, for example; others have had their personal images and names attached to accounts on porn sites, paid editing sites, and a fair number of other unsavory sites - so as a group we can honestly say there's plenty of reason to doubt in a lot of cases. Arbcom is not all-powerful. Even the full force of the WMF can only be turned on to the most extreme cases of harassment; there simply aren't the human resources to address comparatively run-of-the-mill harassment, especially when it's occurring outside the walls of their projects. Not even huge internet-based companies like Facebook, Twitter, or Yahoo have the personnel or the ability to prevent or address harassment on unrelated sites, and they have hundreds of times more community managers than the WMF has. To compare to a non-internet situation: How many police officers would be needed to effectively stop catcalls being directed to women walking down the street? Or preventing bullies from picking on the skinny kid? We know the answer - there aren't enough cops in the world to stop these things even in one medium-sized city. What needs to change is society's attitude toward these activities - and because the internet isn't a single society, the task is extremely difficult. The WMF isn't going to be able to solve it, Arbcom doesn't have a hope of solving it, and as long as the same privacy laws that prevent people from digging into deeply private information about us also protect people whose behaviour is very much unappreciated, I'm not sure the legal systems of most democratic countries will be able to solve it. Risker/Anne On 27 May 2015 at 00:21, Neotarf neot...@gmail.com wrote: This might also be a good time to mention the conversation about harassment on the recent Inspire grant project. Fourteen of the proposals were concerned with managing harassment. I don't believe I ever saw anyone from the Foundation comment on this. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Community_discussion_on_harassment_reporting Instead we now have the English Wikipedia's Arbcom taking on their third or fourth sexual harassment within the year, without having even established a working definition of what it is. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Neotarf neot...@gmail.com wrote: Totally understandable. I too have also been sexually harassed and doxxed, on at least two other sites besides WP. The ArbCom and the WMF are well aware of it, and have been unwilling to lift a finger against it. There is a book about cyber harassment making the rounds: Hate Crimes in Cyberspace by Danielle Keats Citron ISBN 978-0-674-36829-3 describing both the horrible price that individuals pay and the legal underpinnings of the problem. It's a pity WP is not in the vanguard of this movement in the same way it has pioneered in other areas. Instead, those who report harassment will find themselves treated worse than the harassers. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/26/2015 8:35 PM, LB wrote: Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who have been friendly with me over the past year. Lightbreather Plus all that on-wiki harassment! I did notice something interesting and actually positive in Lightbreather's arbitration, compared to GGTF and others I've seen. Which is that now editors only can comment on Arbitration talk pages in their own sections. This lessens opportunities for drive-by harassing taunts against, and replies against, various editors who harassers are trying to get kicked off Wikipedia. They have to take responsibility in their own sections. Perhaps my screaming about institutionalized harassment at Arbcom had at least this minor effect... I hope they keep it for all future arbitrations... Announcement on this page, after which went into effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather/Evidence#Sectioned_discussion_is_now_in_effect_on_this_page Also in effect here.
