Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You Know?)
Perhaps this goes back to the power of invitation culture that myself and sue have talked about in the past... Monitoring new articlesinviting people to submit...helping them through the challenge. Sarah On Jul 18, 2014 8:04 AM, Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight rosiestep.w...@gmail.com wrote: Spot on description, Sarah, of why not to nominate an article at DYK, ... drama, rude people, too complex of a process for something so simple. Yup, DYK can be (is) dysfunctional and the DYK project doesn't take criticism well. But if an article meets its requirements, it will eventually make it to the main page. So nominating more articles seems to make sense. I haven't witnessed gender bias within DYK, i.e. women's biographies don't appear to be treated differently than men's; self-identified female nominators don't appear to be treated differently than male nominators. But if you are aware of a nominator being treated poorly because of her gender, or really anything related to gender bias within the DYK process, I'd be very receptive to hearing from you, either through a reply here, or email me directly. I appreciate all your feedback -- so keep it coming -- and I will work on a proposal to tackle this issue. Wish me luck! -Rosie user:Rosiestep On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 5:00 AM, gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: Send Gendergap mailing list submissions to gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at gendergap-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Gendergap digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You Know?) section (Rob) 2. Re: Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You Know?) section (Sarah Stierch) 3. Re: Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You Know?) section (Siko Bouterse) 4. Gender diversity and women's biographies discussed in July WMF Research showcase (Pine W) 5. Blog post Creating Safe Spaces (Pine W) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:19:06 -0400 From: Rob gamali...@gmail.com To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects. gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You Know?) section Message-ID: CAMY8yAXp_iQ8XXy= qvmh8jtzpacr+e2--hhojur4_-z5ms9...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 DYK is pretty dysfunctional behind the scenes so I don't think there's any hope of changing DYK processes to address this issue. What can be done is to encourage individual WikiProjects addressing the gender gap to include submitting new and improved articles to DYK as a part of their regular process of article improvement. It's very easy to get a good article onto DYK once it is submitted there. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Rosiestep Wiki rosiestep.w...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed this because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing? Some statistics here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March (Women's History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the occasional set (6-7 hooks) or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the majority of the biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon occurrence over the course of a week. The reason seems simple: fewer women's biographies are being nominated by editors, so fewer are promoted, and fewer appear at DYK. It almost goes without saying that fewer women's biographies are created/expanded compared to men's but it's actually important to address this, as IMO, it's the crux of the problem. I am not suggesting and would not support setting limits on the number of men's biographies which appear at DYK. Instead, I'd like to believe that issue/problem recognition is the first step before we brainstorm some objectives, develop workplans (i.e. monthly edit-a-thons anyone?), and measure outcomes. I'm considering creating a proposal and applying for a grant to work on this percentage issue. Feedback? -Rosie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep ___ Gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You Know?) section
DYK is pretty dysfunctional behind the scenes so I don't think there's any hope of changing DYK processes to address this issue. What can be done is to encourage individual WikiProjects addressing the gender gap to include submitting new and improved articles to DYK as a part of their regular process of article improvement. It's very easy to get a good article onto DYK once it is submitted there. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Rosiestep Wiki rosiestep.w...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed this because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing? Some statistics here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March (Women's History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the occasional set (6-7 hooks) or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the majority of the biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon occurrence over the course of a week. The reason seems simple: fewer women's biographies are being nominated by editors, so fewer are promoted, and fewer appear at DYK. It almost goes without saying that fewer women's biographies are created/expanded compared to men's but it's actually important to address this, as IMO, it's the crux of the problem. I am not suggesting and would not support setting limits on the number of men's biographies which appear at DYK. Instead, I'd like to believe that issue/problem recognition is the first step before we brainstorm some objectives, develop workplans (i.e. monthly edit-a-thons anyone?), and measure outcomes. I'm considering creating a proposal and applying for a grant to work on this percentage issue. Feedback? -Rosie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You Know?) section
Yeah I stopped submitting DYK a long time ago...drama, rude people, too complex of a process for something so simple... On Jul 17, 2014 8:19 AM, Rob gamali...@gmail.com wrote: DYK is pretty dysfunctional behind the scenes so I don't think there's any hope of changing DYK processes to address this issue. What can be done is to encourage individual WikiProjects addressing the gender gap to include submitting new and improved articles to DYK as a part of their regular process of article improvement. It's very easy to get a good article onto DYK once it is submitted there. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Rosiestep Wiki rosiestep.w...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed this because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing? Some statistics here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March (Women's History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the occasional set (6-7 hooks) or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the majority of the biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon occurrence over the course of a week. The reason seems simple: fewer women's biographies are being nominated by editors, so fewer are promoted, and fewer appear at DYK. It almost goes without saying that fewer women's biographies are created/expanded compared to men's but it's actually important to address this, as IMO, it's the crux of the problem. I am not suggesting and would not support setting limits on the number of men's biographies which appear at DYK. Instead, I'd like to believe that issue/problem recognition is the first step before we brainstorm some objectives, develop workplans (i.e. monthly edit-a-thons anyone?), and measure outcomes. I'm considering creating a proposal and applying for a grant to work on this percentage issue. Feedback? -Rosie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You Know?) section
Glad you're raising this issue, Rosie, and thinking about a grant-funded project to address it seems like a smart plan! Testing new ways for making engagement with DYK a more regular part of any workshops or other times where women's biographies are being worked on makes sense to me. My 1 and only DYK was for a woman's bio, but at the time I didn't know anything about the process (wouldn't have occurred to me it was something that a noob working on a short article could be part of). If someone else hadn't nominated, it wouldn't have happened. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Rosiestep Wiki rosiestep.w...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed this because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing? Some statistics here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March (Women's History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the occasional set (6-7 hooks) or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the majority of the biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon occurrence over the course of a week. The reason seems simple: fewer women's biographies are being nominated by editors, so fewer are promoted, and fewer appear at DYK. It almost goes without saying that fewer women's biographies are created/expanded compared to men's but it's actually important to address this, as IMO, it's the crux of the problem. I am not suggesting and would not support setting limits on the number of men's biographies which appear at DYK. Instead, I'd like to believe that issue/problem recognition is the first step before we brainstorm some objectives, develop workplans (i.e. monthly edit-a-thons anyone?), and measure outcomes. I'm considering creating a proposal and applying for a grant to work on this percentage issue. Feedback? -Rosie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Siko Bouterse Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. sboute...@wikimedia.org *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. * *Donate https://donate.wikimedia.org or click the edit button today, and help us make it a reality!* ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
