Re: svn commit: r1832298 - in /xmlbeans/trunk: ./ external/lib/ samples/AbstractTypes/ samples/Any/ samples/DateTime/ samples/MixedContent/ samples/OrderMatters/ samples/SampleTemplate/ samples/Schema

2018-05-28 Thread Henk P. Penning 

On Mon, 28 May 2018, sebb wrote:


Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 18:37:25 +0200
From: sebb 
To: general@attic.apache.org
Subject: Re: svn commit: r1832298 - in /xmlbeans/trunk: ./ external/lib/
samples/AbstractTypes/ samples/Any/ samples/DateTime/
samples/MixedContent/ samples/OrderMatters/ samples/SampleTemplate/
samples/SchemaEnum/ samples/SubstitutionGroup/ samples/Validation/ sam...



On 28 May 2018 at 12:14, Henk P. Penning  wrote:

On Mon, 28 May 2018, Mads Toftum wrote:


Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 10:25:56 +0200
From: Mads Toftum 
To: general@attic.apache.org
Subject: Re: svn commit: r1832298 - in /xmlbeans/trunk: ./ external/lib/
samples/AbstractTypes/ samples/Any/ samples/DateTime/
samples/MixedContent/ samples/OrderMatters/ samples/SampleTemplate/
samples/SchemaEnum/ samples/SubstitutionGroup/ samples/Validation/
sam...

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 08:36:37AM +0200, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:


IIUC, that means that we should remove XMLBeans from Attic and switch its
ownership to POI?



  I don't think that's right ; PCM XMLBeans is retired ;
  that PMC can be revived (within the ASF, with board approval) by
  -- reviving the PMC - unlikely given that the PMC died 5 years ago
  -- make a restart in the incubator.

  I do think that
  -- poi can fork the code and devellop it as a sub-project
  -- we can add a reference on the XMLBeans attic page to the new fork


Agreed.


That would be my thinking as well. Development shouldn't be happening in
an attic project. If the board has approved "un-retiring", then we
should move it first before allowing commits.



  As far as I know, commits should be impossible ;
  that is, the codebase should be frozen.
  Isn't that what 2.6.ii does in http://attic.apache.org/process.html ?


AFAICT Infra allowed access following a JIRA: INFRA-16580


  Does anyone know a PCM (except incubator and, in some sense
  attic) that manages more than 1 project ?


Commons, MINA, Creadur, Maven (?)


  Sorry ; with 'project' I meant 'Top-Level-Project' (not 'sub-project').
  As in (second paragraph) of

https://www.apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html#6.3

Each Project Management Committee shall be responsible for the
active management of one or more projects identified by resolution
of the Board of Directors ...

  Are there any PMC's that manage more than one TLP ?

  It would appear that, for PMC Poi to manage project XMLBeans,
  a resolution of the Board is required ...

  Regards,

  HPP


then for example remove the banner on http://xmlbeans.apache.org/?


I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to put it somewhere under
poi.apache.org unless there's a new xmlbeans pmc being put in place?




Mads Toftum



  Groeten,

  Henk Penning

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Re: svn commit: r1832298 - in /xmlbeans/trunk: ./ external/lib/ samples/AbstractTypes/ samples/Any/ samples/DateTime/ samples/MixedContent/ samples/OrderMatters/ samples/SampleTemplate/ samples/Schema

2018-05-28 Thread sebb 
On 28 May 2018 at 18:55, Mads Toftum  wrote:
> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 07:49:42PM +0200, Henk P. Penning wrote:
>>   Sorry ; with 'project' I meant 'Top-Level-Project' (not 'sub-project').
>>   As in (second paragraph) of
>>
>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html#6.3
>>
>> Each Project Management Committee shall be responsible for the
>> active management of one or more projects identified by resolution
>> of the Board of Directors ...
>>
>>   Are there any PMC's that manage more than one TLP ?
>>
>>   It would appear that, for PMC Poi to manage project XMLBeans,
>>   a resolution of the Board is required ...
>>
> That would also be my thinking.
> No problem if they import the code and put it somewhere in POI, but to
> revive the xmlbeans project we'd need a board resolution.

I tend to agree.

INFRA-16580 says it results from
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16278
which quotes various board threads.

Sorry, cannot quote the (private) contents here; best to read the
links in INFRA-16278

It's not particularly clear what was agreed with the board, if
anything, but AFAICT what has actually happened is somewhat different.

> vh
>
> Mads Toftum
> --
> http://flickr.com/photos/q42/

Re: svn commit: r1832298 - in /xmlbeans/trunk: ./ external/lib/ samples/AbstractTypes/ samples/Any/ samples/DateTime/ samples/MixedContent/ samples/OrderMatters/ samples/SampleTemplate/ samples/Schema

2018-05-28 Thread Mads Toftum 
On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 07:49:42PM +0200, Henk P. Penning wrote:
>   Sorry ; with 'project' I meant 'Top-Level-Project' (not 'sub-project').
>   As in (second paragraph) of
> 
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html#6.3
> 
> Each Project Management Committee shall be responsible for the
> active management of one or more projects identified by resolution
> of the Board of Directors ...
> 
>   Are there any PMC's that manage more than one TLP ?
> 
>   It would appear that, for PMC Poi to manage project XMLBeans,
>   a resolution of the Board is required ...
> 
That would also be my thinking. 
No problem if they import the code and put it somewhere in POI, but to
revive the xmlbeans project we'd need a board resolution.

vh

Mads Toftum
-- 
http://flickr.com/photos/q42/

Re: svn commit: r1832298 - in /xmlbeans/trunk: ./ external/lib/ samples/AbstractTypes/ samples/Any/ samples/DateTime/ samples/MixedContent/ samples/OrderMatters/ samples/SampleTemplate/ samples/Schema

2018-05-28 Thread sebb 
On 28 May 2018 at 12:14, Henk P. Penning  wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2018, Mads Toftum wrote:
>
>> Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 10:25:56 +0200
>> From: Mads Toftum 
>> To: general@attic.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: svn commit: r1832298 - in /xmlbeans/trunk: ./ external/lib/
>> samples/AbstractTypes/ samples/Any/ samples/DateTime/
>> samples/MixedContent/ samples/OrderMatters/ samples/SampleTemplate/
>> samples/SchemaEnum/ samples/SubstitutionGroup/ samples/Validation/
>> sam...
>>
>> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 08:36:37AM +0200, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
>>>
>>> IIUC, that means that we should remove XMLBeans from Attic and switch its
>>> ownership to POI?
>
>
>   I don't think that's right ; PCM XMLBeans is retired ;
>   that PMC can be revived (within the ASF, with board approval) by
>   -- reviving the PMC - unlikely given that the PMC died 5 years ago
>   -- make a restart in the incubator.
>
>   I do think that
>   -- poi can fork the code and devellop it as a sub-project
>   -- we can add a reference on the XMLBeans attic page to the new fork

Agreed.

>> That would be my thinking as well. Development shouldn't be happening in
>> an attic project. If the board has approved "un-retiring", then we
>> should move it first before allowing commits.
>
>
>   As far as I know, commits should be impossible ;
>   that is, the codebase should be frozen.
>   Isn't that what 2.6.ii does in http://attic.apache.org/process.html ?

AFAICT Infra allowed access following a JIRA: INFRA-16580

>   Does anyone know a PCM (except incubator and, in some sense
>   attic) that manages more than 1 project ?

Commons, MINA, Creadur, Maven (?)

>>> then for example remove the banner on http://xmlbeans.apache.org/?
>>>
>> I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to put it somewhere under
>> poi.apache.org unless there's a new xmlbeans pmc being put in place?
>
>
>> Mads Toftum
>
>
>   Groeten,
>
>   Henk Penning
>
>    _
> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403_/ \_
> Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL  F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/

Re: svn commit: r1832298 - in /xmlbeans/trunk: ./ external/lib/ samples/AbstractTypes/ samples/Any/ samples/DateTime/ samples/MixedContent/ samples/OrderMatters/ samples/SampleTemplate/ samples/Schema

2018-05-28 Thread Henk P. Penning 

On Sun, 27 May 2018, fannin...@apache.org wrote:


Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 11:07:46 +0200
From: "fannin...@apache.org" 
To: general@attic.apache.org, Mads Toftum 
Subject: Re: svn commit: r1832298 - in /xmlbeans/trunk: ./ external/lib/
samples/AbstractTypes/ samples/Any/ samples/DateTime/
samples/MixedContent/ samples/OrderMatters/ samples/SampleTemplate/
samples/SchemaEnum/ samples/SubstitutionGroup/ samples/Validation/ sam...

Hi Mads,The Apache POI team are taking over the XMLBeans library
because it is still used by POI libs and we'd like to do a release
with some bug
fixes.https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16278 has some of
the details.


Hi PJ Fanning,

  just for my information ... ; what is the difficulty with
  -- importing the existing xmlbeans code
  -- change some things
  -- and release (almost as is) ?

  Thanks ; regards,

  Henk Penning


   On Sunday 27 May 2018, 10:02:39 GMT+1, Mads Toftum  wrote:

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 08:31:15AM -, fannin...@apache.org wrote:

Author: fanningpj
Date: Sat May 26 08:31:14 2018
New Revision: 1832298



According to http://attic.apache.org/projects/xmlbeans.html xmlbeans has
been retired since July 2013 - I'm a bit surprised to see commits.


vh

Mads Toftum
--
http://flickr.com/photos/q42/



   _
Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403_/ \_
Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL  F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/

Re: svn commit: r1832298 - in /xmlbeans/trunk: ./ external/lib/ samples/AbstractTypes/ samples/Any/ samples/DateTime/ samples/MixedContent/ samples/OrderMatters/ samples/SampleTemplate/ samples/Schema

2018-05-28 Thread Henk P. Penning 

On Mon, 28 May 2018, Mads Toftum wrote:


Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 10:25:56 +0200
From: Mads Toftum 
To: general@attic.apache.org
Subject: Re: svn commit: r1832298 - in /xmlbeans/trunk: ./ external/lib/
samples/AbstractTypes/ samples/Any/ samples/DateTime/
samples/MixedContent/ samples/OrderMatters/ samples/SampleTemplate/
samples/SchemaEnum/ samples/SubstitutionGroup/ samples/Validation/ sam...

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 08:36:37AM +0200, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:

IIUC, that means that we should remove XMLBeans from Attic and switch its
ownership to POI?


  I don't think that's right ; PCM XMLBeans is retired ;
  that PMC can be revived (within the ASF, with board approval) by
  -- reviving the PMC - unlikely given that the PMC died 5 years ago
  -- make a restart in the incubator.

  I do think that
  -- poi can fork the code and devellop it as a sub-project
  -- we can add a reference on the XMLBeans attic page to the new fork


That would be my thinking as well. Development shouldn't be happening in
an attic project. If the board has approved "un-retiring", then we
should move it first before allowing commits.


  As far as I know, commits should be impossible ;
  that is, the codebase should be frozen.
  Isn't that what 2.6.ii does in http://attic.apache.org/process.html ?

  Does anyone know a PCM (except incubator and, in some sense
  attic) that manages more than 1 project ?


then for example remove the banner on http://xmlbeans.apache.org/?


I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to put it somewhere under
poi.apache.org unless there's a new xmlbeans pmc being put in place?



Mads Toftum


  Groeten,

  Henk Penning

   _
Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403_/ \_
Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL  F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/

Re: svn commit: r1832298 - in /xmlbeans/trunk: ./ external/lib/ samples/AbstractTypes/ samples/Any/ samples/DateTime/ samples/MixedContent/ samples/OrderMatters/ samples/SampleTemplate/ samples/Schema

2018-05-28 Thread Mads Toftum 
On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 08:36:37AM +0200, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> IIUC, that means that we should remove XMLBeans from Attic and switch its 
> ownership to POI?
> 
That would be my thinking as well. Development shouldn't be happening in
an attic project. If the board has approved "un-retiring", then we
should move it first before allowing commits.

> then for example remove the banner on http://xmlbeans.apache.org/?
> 
I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to put it somewhere under
poi.apache.org unless there's a new xmlbeans pmc being put in place?

vh

Mads Toftum
-- 
http://flickr.com/photos/q42/

Re: svn commit: r1832298 - in /xmlbeans/trunk: ./ external/lib/ samples/AbstractTypes/ samples/Any/ samples/DateTime/ samples/MixedContent/ samples/OrderMatters/ samples/SampleTemplate/ samples/Schema

2018-05-28 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY 
IIUC, that means that we should remove XMLBeans from Attic and switch its 
ownership to POI?

then for example remove the banner on http://xmlbeans.apache.org/?

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 27 mai 2018, 11:07:46 CEST fannin...@apache.org a écrit :
>  Hi Mads,The Apache POI team are taking over the XMLBeans library because it
> is still used by POI libs and we'd like to do a release with some bug
> fixes.https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16278 has some of the
> details.
> 
> On Sunday 27 May 2018, 10:02:39 GMT+1, Mads Toftum 
> wrote:
>  On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 08:31:15AM -, fannin...@apache.org wrote:
> > Author: fanningpj
> > Date: Sat May 26 08:31:14 2018
> > New Revision: 1832298
> 
> According to http://attic.apache.org/projects/xmlbeans.html xmlbeans has
> been retired since July 2013 - I'm a bit surprised to see commits.
> 
> 
> vh
> 
> Mads Toftum