Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

2009-07-10 Thread SR 
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Andrew Baudouin  wrote:

> ...the best features of Windows...



Windows has good features?
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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingtobe all that great..

2009-07-10 Thread SR 
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Dustin Puryear wrote:

> I never said Google was the one overhyping it.


Nor did I say you said that.  You had a reading comprehension check lately?

:P



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> To: general@brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
> goingtobe all that great..
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Dustin Puryear 
> wrote:
> I did read it f00l. :)
>
> Then you should have gotten that it was just nitpicking over one sentence
> which was a security claim.
>
>
>
> I think there is some overhyping here.
>
> What over-hyping?  You must travel in different circles than I do...  All
> I've heard about Chrome OS is a press release and one blog post.  The only
> reason it might be hyped is a) this is from Google b) there has been years
> of speculation and c) it's new, as opposed to Windows 7 which is a service
> pack for vista, which was a service pack for  ad nauseum
>
> My week in news has been about a 0-day for IE which is being actively
> exploited  (does anyone really use IE for anything besides windows update
> anymore?), an OpenSSH vulnerability which was a hoax, and the DDoS against
> government sites using, *gasp*, compromised Windows PCs.
>
> Sorry, that's what I think.
>
> You're free to have any opinion you wish.  Doesn't make it right.  ;-)
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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

2009-07-10 Thread Andrew Baudouin 
Java, the .Net Framework, and Mono are efforts to have OS-agnostic
applications without destroying the whole PC paradigm.  I think .Net is
intentionally crippled to ensure that the best features of Windows are only
available through access to legacy API's, but functional business apps can
still be programmed without using those features.

I don't see these new OS's as "innovation"... just "change".  Additionally,
I abhor the idea of me not owning the location where my data is stored.  How
is that good for me as a business?


On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Tim Fournet  wrote:

> announcement == overhyping??
> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html
>
> From reading the announcement (not the "every operating system has viruses"
> rant linked in the original post), Google's aim is to bring operating
> systems the next step forward. It's clear that we're way past due for that.
> Windows has set the bar for two decades now, and that bar is holding us back
> now. We should have applications that are agnostic about their underlying
> operating system, aware of location, and able to scale between different
> types of interface technology.
>
> Microsoft has had research into this area, but it's clear that they aren't
> ready for the next step as a company. The first concepts of Windows 7 were
> supposed to be that next step, but it turns out to be not much more than a
> service pack for Vista.
>




>
> I don't think Google is making the great claims that people are attributing
> them to. I think they're saying "dammit, it's time for a new paradigm, and
> we were really hoping that it was going to happen by now. It hasn't, so we
> might as well take a crack at it".
>
> I personally hope that this is finally the gateway operating system to a
> new shift to a world where applications and information live in the internet
> and devices are just handy ways of accessing that information. I envision a
> world where computing devices (laptops, desktops, handhelds, kiosks,
> implants) are all just gateways to the connected world. People will just use
> the right tool for the job depending on their location and the task at hand.
> We've had baby steps in that direction for the past 10 years, but we're
> [past] due for a quantifiable jump.
>
>
> -Tim
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Dustin Puryear 
> wrote:
>
>> I did read it f00l. :)
>>
>> I think there is some overhyping here. Sorry, that's what I think.
>>
>> Now take that!
>>
>> 
>> From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of SR
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:09 PM
>> To: general@brlug.net
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
>> goingto be all that great..
>>
>> Dustin said:  "Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is going to be all
>> that great.."
>>
>> That's not at all what the article said.  Please re-read the article and
>> try again.  ;-)
>>
>> -Shannon
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Dustin Puryear 
>> wrote:
>> Bruce Schneier for one..
>>
>> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/security_guru_calls_chrome_oss_secu
>> rity_claims_idiotic.php
>>
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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE: IM fest

2009-07-10 Thread Andrew Baudouin 
Dustin: Out with it!

AIM: dook43
YIM: dook43
MSN: lsudot...@gmail.com
Jabber: andre...@gmail.com

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Tim Fournet  wrote:

> my email address is my IM address (jabber)
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mark A. Lappin  wrote:
>
>> AIM:MarkAtLMFJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
>> Director of Information Technology
>> 11314 Cloverland Ave  | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
>> Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778  | Mobile:  225-362-2770
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>> From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:01 PM
>> To: general@brlug.net
>> Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE: IM
>> fest
>>
>> As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
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>> Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
>> Importance: High
>>
>> Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.
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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE: IM fest

2009-07-10 Thread Tim Fournet 
my email address is my IM address (jabber)

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mark A. Lappin  wrote:

> AIM:MarkAtLMFJ
>
>
>
>
> Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
> Director of Information Technology
> 11314 Cloverland Ave  | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
> Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778  | Mobile:  225-362-2770
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> This communication is privileged and confidential.  If you are not the
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> -Original Message-
> From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:01 PM
> To: general@brlug.net
> Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE: IM
> fest
>
> As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
> To: general@brlug.net
> Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
> Importance: High
>
> Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.
>
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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE: IM fest

2009-07-10 Thread Mark A. Lappin 
AIM:MarkAtLMFJ




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-Original Message-
From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of 
Dustin Puryear
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:01 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE: IM fest

As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)

-Original Message-
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Dustin Puryear
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
Importance: High

Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.

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[brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE: IM fest

2009-07-10 Thread Dustin Puryear 
As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)

-Original Message-
From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
Importance: High

Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates. 

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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS isgoingtobe all that great..

2009-07-10 Thread Dustin Puryear 
Just Google for "google chrome". It's nuts (and berries).

-Original Message-
From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of 
Dustin Puryear
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:55 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS isgoingtobe 
all that great..

I never said Google was the one overhyping it.


From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of 
SR
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:33 AM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingtobe 
all that great..


On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Dustin Puryear  
wrote:
I did read it f00l. :)

Then you should have gotten that it was just nitpicking over one sentence which 
was a security claim.
 


I think there is some overhyping here.

What over-hyping?  You must travel in different circles than I do...  All I've 
heard about Chrome OS is a press release and one blog post.  The only reason it 
might be hyped is a) this is from Google b) there has been years of speculation 
and c) it's new, as opposed to Windows 7 which is a service pack for vista, 
which was a service pack for  ad nauseum

My week in news has been about a 0-day for IE which is being actively 
exploited  (does anyone really use IE for anything besides windows update 
anymore?), an OpenSSH vulnerability which was a hoax, and the DDoS against 
government sites using, *gasp*, compromised Windows PCs.
 
Sorry, that's what I think.

You're free to have any opinion you wish.  Doesn't make it right.  ;-)
 



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[brlug-general] IM fest

2009-07-10 Thread Dustin Puryear 
Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates. 

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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingtobe all that great..

2009-07-10 Thread Dustin Puryear 
I never said Google was the one overhyping it.


From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of 
SR
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:33 AM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingtobe 
all that great..


On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Dustin Puryear  
wrote:
I did read it f00l. :)

Then you should have gotten that it was just nitpicking over one sentence which 
was a security claim.
 


I think there is some overhyping here.

What over-hyping?  You must travel in different circles than I do...  All I've 
heard about Chrome OS is a press release and one blog post.  The only reason it 
might be hyped is a) this is from Google b) there has been years of speculation 
and c) it's new, as opposed to Windows 7 which is a service pack for vista, 
which was a service pack for  ad nauseum

My week in news has been about a 0-day for IE which is being actively 
exploited  (does anyone really use IE for anything besides windows update 
anymore?), an OpenSSH vulnerability which was a hoax, and the DDoS against 
government sites using, *gasp*, compromised Windows PCs.
 
Sorry, that's what I think.

You're free to have any opinion you wish.  Doesn't make it right.  ;-)
 



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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

2009-07-10 Thread Tim Fournet 
I disagree. This, along with Moblin (www.moblin.org), are experiments into
making computing something more than the tired old (local pc/local
apps/local data) ideas that have held progress back for too long. Getting
beyond that makes things like viruses much less problematic, even if they
still will exist.

ChromeOS and Moblin may both fail, but at least they're getting some people
working in the right direction, and opening up the possibilities of new
methods of computing. The evolution of computing needs to get cranked up
again, and fast.



On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Andrew Baudouin  wrote:

> I'm certain this is going to be JADOG (Just Another Distro Of Gnu/Linux).
> Move along now, nothing to see here.
>
> The world certainly does not need JADOG.  What it needs is Ubuntu (without
> the gayness of OOB MP3/DVD prohibition) to truly become supported.
>
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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

2009-07-10 Thread Andrew Baudouin 
I'm certain this is going to be JADOG (Just Another Distro Of Gnu/Linux).
Move along now, nothing to see here.

The world certainly does not need JADOG.  What it needs is Ubuntu (without
the gayness of OOB MP3/DVD prohibition) to truly become supported.



On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Brad Bendily  wrote:

> My week in news has been about a 0-day for IE which is being actively
>> exploited  (does anyone really use IE for anything besides windows update
>> anymore?),
>>
>
> unfortunately many companies and agencies still use IE, because many other
> companies develop apps that only run on IE so
> people who buy the apps must use it. I work for such an agency, i don't
> agree with it, but I like having a job and I must support it and therefore
> have to use it.
>
> Google does make a claim that they will build and OS with no
> vulnerabilities. Like one of the blog post said, I think people are stuck on
> the semantics of the wording. No one knows what the underlying code will do.
> Is it possible to build such and OS? sure.
> Are they gonna get it right the first time? I doubt. Will it be better than
> any other option available now? mostly.
> I assume they're going to use some form of nix for the underlying OS.
> Unless they start from scratch and build their own
> HAL and all the pieces that go into an OS, then there are going to be
> things out of their control.
>
> There are a lot of questions and variables that are going to be involved,
> but surely in the end there will be an OS that is going to
> be a lot different from anything we see today. I for one can't wait to see.
>
> bb
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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

2009-07-10 Thread Brad Bendily 
>
> My week in news has been about a 0-day for IE which is being actively
> exploited  (does anyone really use IE for anything besides windows update
> anymore?),
>

unfortunately many companies and agencies still use IE, because many other
companies develop apps that only run on IE so
people who buy the apps must use it. I work for such an agency, i don't
agree with it, but I like having a job and I must support it and therefore
have to use it.

Google does make a claim that they will build and OS with no
vulnerabilities. Like one of the blog post said, I think people are stuck on
the semantics of the wording. No one knows what the underlying code will do.
Is it possible to build such and OS? sure.
Are they gonna get it right the first time? I doubt. Will it be better than
any other option available now? mostly.
I assume they're going to use some form of nix for the underlying OS. Unless
they start from scratch and build their own
HAL and all the pieces that go into an OS, then there are going to be things
out of their control.

There are a lot of questions and variables that are going to be involved,
but surely in the end there will be an OS that is going to
be a lot different from anything we see today. I for one can't wait to see.

bb


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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

2009-07-10 Thread SR 
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:

> I did read it f00l. :)


Then you should have gotten that it was just nitpicking over one sentence
which was a security claim.


>
>
> I think there is some overhyping here.


What over-hyping?  You must travel in different circles than I do...  All
I've heard about Chrome OS is a press release and one blog post.  The only
reason it might be hyped is a) this is from Google b) there has been years
of speculation and c) it's new, as opposed to Windows 7 which is a service
pack for vista, which was a service pack for  ad nauseum

My week in news has been about a 0-day for IE which is being actively
exploited  (does anyone really use IE for anything besides windows update
anymore?), an OpenSSH vulnerability which was a hoax, and the DDoS against
government sites using, *gasp*, compromised Windows PCs.


> Sorry, that's what I think.


You're free to have any opinion you wish.  Doesn't make it right.  ;-)
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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

2009-07-10 Thread Tim Fournet 
announcement == overhyping??
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html

>From reading the announcement (not the "every operating system has viruses"
rant linked in the original post), Google's aim is to bring operating
systems the next step forward. It's clear that we're way past due for that.
Windows has set the bar for two decades now, and that bar is holding us back
now. We should have applications that are agnostic about their underlying
operating system, aware of location, and able to scale between different
types of interface technology.

Microsoft has had research into this area, but it's clear that they aren't
ready for the next step as a company. The first concepts of Windows 7 were
supposed to be that next step, but it turns out to be not much more than a
service pack for Vista.

I don't think Google is making the great claims that people are attributing
them to. I think they're saying "dammit, it's time for a new paradigm, and
we were really hoping that it was going to happen by now. It hasn't, so we
might as well take a crack at it".

I personally hope that this is finally the gateway operating system to a new
shift to a world where applications and information live in the internet and
devices are just handy ways of accessing that information. I envision a
world where computing devices (laptops, desktops, handhelds, kiosks,
implants) are all just gateways to the connected world. People will just use
the right tool for the job depending on their location and the task at hand.
We've had baby steps in that direction for the past 10 years, but we're
[past] due for a quantifiable jump.


-Tim

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:

> I did read it f00l. :)
>
> I think there is some overhyping here. Sorry, that's what I think.
>
> Now take that!
>
> 
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> goingto be all that great..
>
> Dustin said:  "Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is going to be all that
> great.."
>
> That's not at all what the article said.  Please re-read the article and
> try again.  ;-)
>
> -Shannon
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Dustin Puryear 
> wrote:
> Bruce Schneier for one..
>
> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/security_guru_calls_chrome_oss_secu
> rity_claims_idiotic.php
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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

2009-07-10 Thread Dustin Puryear 
I did read it f00l. :)

I think there is some overhyping here. Sorry, that's what I think.

Now take that!


From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of 
SR
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:09 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be 
all that great..

Dustin said:  "Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is going to be all that 
great.."

That's not at all what the article said.  Please re-read the article and try 
again.  ;-)

-Shannon
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Dustin Puryear  wrote:
Bruce Schneier for one..

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/security_guru_calls_chrome_oss_secu
rity_claims_idiotic.php

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President and Sr. Consultant
Puryear Information Technology, LLC
225-706-8414 x112
http://www.puryear-it.com

Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
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