Re: [brlug-general] Why is RPM still a pain in the neck?
http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories/ Rpmforge helps a lot I haven't used centos in over a year though. I am debian monkey now. I haven't really experienced dependency hell with yum, but holy shit, yum is slow. At least ports/portage is spitting some info out at you that let's you know something is happening. Also: sup In addendum: san antonio? Can't say much, still in denver over here... Conclusion: I hate rpm too -mat On Aug 7, 2012 11:18 PM, John Hebert johnalexheb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've started using Linux (CentOS 6) in preparation to take the RHCSA Exam 200. I was previously running WinXP (the dreaded FPS monkey had me) and only ran Linux in VMs or a dual-boot config for learning. I work in a big iron AIX environment, so I get my UNIX jollies that way. The first thing that struck me was that RPM is still the same elephant in the room no one mentions, just three years older. Is it just me? Am I missing some magic tool out there? I get my hopes up every time I see the message Resolving dependencies... only to have them dashed again and again, with the response Errors: this rpm requires that rpm and this other one too, and while you're at it, you should probably get this one as well, even though its name has nothing to do with the rpm you want. And the insanity repeats itself, but now I am Googling for other rpms located on sites with more ads than good search results. It would be more truthful if the Package Installer's response was Sit and wait while I tell you how you have failed me. It's your fault. You should have known what I need and where to get it. And then it gives you the silent treatment. You try again a few more times, but the effort is usually more than the reward. In the end, nothing gets resolved. You tell yourself you don't need that rpm, that you can live without it and move on. But it's just a lie. Yum seems to have stricter standards for package distribution and the local databases are cool, but it still seems I don't have right repos setup. Is there some master site listing the yum repos and the packages available there? RPM based package management is a muddled, mish-mash misnomer. I want something like Gentoo's portage, or OpenBSD's ports tree. Ok, there are not as many software packages available, but you KNOW that up front, and not after going through many gyrations of the Resolving dependencies ... madness. The time and frustration spent in attempting to manually resolve rpms could have been better spent in compiling code form source, which to me is a lot of fun and a chance to learn something. Frustrated in San Antonio. ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
Re: [brlug-general] Why is RPM still a pain in the neck?
From my experience the problems come in when you start using external repos/rpms. If it's not in the base repos, or epel, don't install it. Just like with MS, drink the kool aid, if red hat doesn't give it to you, you don't need it (or more likely, you need the right os to fit your purpose). On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 2:47 AM, mat branyon mat.bran...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories/ Rpmforge helps a lot I haven't used centos in over a year though. I am debian monkey now. I haven't really experienced dependency hell with yum, but holy shit, yum is slow. At least ports/portage is spitting some info out at you that let's you know something is happening. Also: sup In addendum: san antonio? Can't say much, still in denver over here... Conclusion: I hate rpm too -mat On Aug 7, 2012 11:18 PM, John Hebert johnalexheb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've started using Linux (CentOS 6) in preparation to take the RHCSA Exam 200. I was previously running WinXP (the dreaded FPS monkey had me) and only ran Linux in VMs or a dual-boot config for learning. I work in a big iron AIX environment, so I get my UNIX jollies that way. The first thing that struck me was that RPM is still the same elephant in the room no one mentions, just three years older. Is it just me? Am I missing some magic tool out there? I get my hopes up every time I see the message Resolving dependencies... only to have them dashed again and again, with the response Errors: this rpm requires that rpm and this other one too, and while you're at it, you should probably get this one as well, even though its name has nothing to do with the rpm you want. And the insanity repeats itself, but now I am Googling for other rpms located on sites with more ads than good search results. It would be more truthful if the Package Installer's response was Sit and wait while I tell you how you have failed me. It's your fault. You should have known what I need and where to get it. And then it gives you the silent treatment. You try again a few more times, but the effort is usually more than the reward. In the end, nothing gets resolved. You tell yourself you don't need that rpm, that you can live without it and move on. But it's just a lie. Yum seems to have stricter standards for package distribution and the local databases are cool, but it still seems I don't have right repos setup. Is there some master site listing the yum repos and the packages available there? RPM based package management is a muddled, mish-mash misnomer. I want something like Gentoo's portage, or OpenBSD's ports tree. Ok, there are not as many software packages available, but you KNOW that up front, and not after going through many gyrations of the Resolving dependencies ... madness. The time and frustration spent in attempting to manually resolve rpms could have been better spent in compiling code form source, which to me is a lot of fun and a chance to learn something. Frustrated in San Antonio. ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
Re: [brlug-general] Why is RPM still a pain in the neck?
When I have needed something that wasn't in the standard Centos Repos I usually can find it in one of the following. I haven't had any problems using them. I know on the Centos Help section it has a list of these and a couple other repos that you can use with them. Dag RPM Repository for Red Hat Enterprise Linux Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux - This one is from the Fedora project. RPMforge.net - extras Scott French Vice President Lakeshore Group, Ltd. Phone:225-292-7422 Fax:225-291-0882 On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Joshua Frugé joshuafr...@gmail.com wrote: From my experience the problems come in when you start using external repos/rpms. If it's not in the base repos, or epel, don't install it. Just like with MS, drink the kool aid, if red hat doesn't give it to you, you don't need it (or more likely, you need the right os to fit your purpose). On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 2:47 AM, mat branyon mat.bran...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories/ Rpmforge helps a lot I haven't used centos in over a year though. I am debian monkey now. I haven't really experienced dependency hell with yum, but holy shit, yum is slow. At least ports/portage is spitting some info out at you that let's you know something is happening. Also: sup In addendum: san antonio? Can't say much, still in denver over here... Conclusion: I hate rpm too -mat On Aug 7, 2012 11:18 PM, John Hebert johnalexheb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've started using Linux (CentOS 6) in preparation to take the RHCSA Exam 200. I was previously running WinXP (the dreaded FPS monkey had me) and only ran Linux in VMs or a dual-boot config for learning. I work in a big iron AIX environment, so I get my UNIX jollies that way. The first thing that struck me was that RPM is still the same elephant in the room no one mentions, just three years older. Is it just me? Am I missing some magic tool out there? I get my hopes up every time I see the message Resolving dependencies... only to have them dashed again and again, with the response Errors: this rpm requires that rpm and this other one too, and while you're at it, you should probably get this one as well, even though its name has nothing to do with the rpm you want. And the insanity repeats itself, but now I am Googling for other rpms located on sites with more ads than good search results. It would be more truthful if the Package Installer's response was Sit and wait while I tell you how you have failed me. It's your fault. You should have known what I need and where to get it. And then it gives you the silent treatment. You try again a few more times, but the effort is usually more than the reward. In the end, nothing gets resolved. You tell yourself you don't need that rpm, that you can live without it and move on. But it's just a lie. Yum seems to have stricter standards for package distribution and the local databases are cool, but it still seems I don't have right repos setup. Is there some master site listing the yum repos and the packages available there? RPM based package management is a muddled, mish-mash misnomer. I want something like Gentoo's portage, or OpenBSD's ports tree. Ok, there are not as many software packages available, but you KNOW that up front, and not after going through many gyrations of the Resolving dependencies ... madness. The time and frustration spent in attempting to manually resolve rpms could have been better spent in compiling code form source, which to me is a lot of fun and a chance to learn something. Frustrated in San Antonio. ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
Re: [brlug-general] Why is RPM still a pain in the neck?
I should have included the link to the centos page for the extra repos. http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories/ Scott French Vice President Lakeshore Group, Ltd. On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Scott French s...@lakeshoregroup.com wrote: When I have needed something that wasn't in the standard Centos Repos I usually can find it in one of the following. I haven't had any problems using them. I know on the Centos Help section it has a list of these and a couple other repos that you can use with them. Dag RPM Repository for Red Hat Enterprise Linux Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux - This one is from the Fedora project. RPMforge.net - extras Scott French Vice President Lakeshore Group, Ltd. Phone:225-292-7422 Fax:225-291-0882 On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Joshua Frugé joshuafr...@gmail.comwrote: From my experience the problems come in when you start using external repos/rpms. If it's not in the base repos, or epel, don't install it. Just like with MS, drink the kool aid, if red hat doesn't give it to you, you don't need it (or more likely, you need the right os to fit your purpose). On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 2:47 AM, mat branyon mat.bran...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories/ Rpmforge helps a lot I haven't used centos in over a year though. I am debian monkey now. I haven't really experienced dependency hell with yum, but holy shit, yum is slow. At least ports/portage is spitting some info out at you that let's you know something is happening. Also: sup In addendum: san antonio? Can't say much, still in denver over here... Conclusion: I hate rpm too -mat On Aug 7, 2012 11:18 PM, John Hebert johnalexheb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've started using Linux (CentOS 6) in preparation to take the RHCSA Exam 200. I was previously running WinXP (the dreaded FPS monkey had me) and only ran Linux in VMs or a dual-boot config for learning. I work in a big iron AIX environment, so I get my UNIX jollies that way. The first thing that struck me was that RPM is still the same elephant in the room no one mentions, just three years older. Is it just me? Am I missing some magic tool out there? I get my hopes up every time I see the message Resolving dependencies... only to have them dashed again and again, with the response Errors: this rpm requires that rpm and this other one too, and while you're at it, you should probably get this one as well, even though its name has nothing to do with the rpm you want. And the insanity repeats itself, but now I am Googling for other rpms located on sites with more ads than good search results. It would be more truthful if the Package Installer's response was Sit and wait while I tell you how you have failed me. It's your fault. You should have known what I need and where to get it. And then it gives you the silent treatment. You try again a few more times, but the effort is usually more than the reward. In the end, nothing gets resolved. You tell yourself you don't need that rpm, that you can live without it and move on. But it's just a lie. Yum seems to have stricter standards for package distribution and the local databases are cool, but it still seems I don't have right repos setup. Is there some master site listing the yum repos and the packages available there? RPM based package management is a muddled, mish-mash misnomer. I want something like Gentoo's portage, or OpenBSD's ports tree. Ok, there are not as many software packages available, but you KNOW that up front, and not after going through many gyrations of the Resolving dependencies ... madness. The time and frustration spent in attempting to manually resolve rpms could have been better spent in compiling code form source, which to me is a lot of fun and a chance to learn something. Frustrated in San Antonio. ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
Re: [brlug-general] Why is RPM still a pain in the neck?
I will 2nd Joshua's statement. If it's not in base or epel, I consider how much I really need it. I will sometimes use dag, being careful any packages i get do not conflict with base/epel packages. I always avoid Joe User 'oh hai i just figured out how to make an rpm' repositories. I would compile from source before using an unknown repo. And for God's sake, installing with '--nodeps' is NOT the fix to rpm dependency hell. If you do that, it's not rpm's fault. That's like running 'rm -rf /lib' and then complaining that the rm command hosed up your system. ray On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Joshua Frugé joshuafr...@gmail.com wrote: From my experience the problems come in when you start using external repos/rpms. If it's not in the base repos, or epel, don't install it. Just like with MS, drink the kool aid, if red hat doesn't give it to you, you don't need it (or more likely, you need the right os to fit your purpose). On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 2:47 AM, mat branyon mat.bran...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories/ Rpmforge helps a lot I haven't used centos in over a year though. I am debian monkey now. I haven't really experienced dependency hell with yum, but holy shit, yum is slow. At least ports/portage is spitting some info out at you that let's you know something is happening. Also: sup In addendum: san antonio? Can't say much, still in denver over here... Conclusion: I hate rpm too -mat On Aug 7, 2012 11:18 PM, John Hebert johnalexheb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've started using Linux (CentOS 6) in preparation to take the RHCSA Exam 200. I was previously running WinXP (the dreaded FPS monkey had me) and only ran Linux in VMs or a dual-boot config for learning. I work in a big iron AIX environment, so I get my UNIX jollies that way. The first thing that struck me was that RPM is still the same elephant in the room no one mentions, just three years older. Is it just me? Am I missing some magic tool out there? I get my hopes up every time I see the message Resolving dependencies... only to have them dashed again and again, with the response Errors: this rpm requires that rpm and this other one too, and while you're at it, you should probably get this one as well, even though its name has nothing to do with the rpm you want. And the insanity repeats itself, but now I am Googling for other rpms located on sites with more ads than good search results. It would be more truthful if the Package Installer's response was Sit and wait while I tell you how you have failed me. It's your fault. You should have known what I need and where to get it. And then it gives you the silent treatment. You try again a few more times, but the effort is usually more than the reward. In the end, nothing gets resolved. You tell yourself you don't need that rpm, that you can live without it and move on. But it's just a lie. Yum seems to have stricter standards for package distribution and the local databases are cool, but it still seems I don't have right repos setup. Is there some master site listing the yum repos and the packages available there? RPM based package management is a muddled, mish-mash misnomer. I want something like Gentoo's portage, or OpenBSD's ports tree. Ok, there are not as many software packages available, but you KNOW that up front, and not after going through many gyrations of the Resolving dependencies ... madness. The time and frustration spent in attempting to manually resolve rpms could have been better spent in compiling code form source, which to me is a lot of fun and a chance to learn something. Frustrated in San Antonio. ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
Re: [brlug-general] Why is RPM still a pain in the neck?
I only add IUS and Epel addition to the base repos. Then wget and install webmin directly from webmin.com For years that has been all I've needed in centos boxes. If I need something fancy like multimedia transcoding etc I'll usually set up ubuntu or debian based box to use remotely (server-to-server transactions). P On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Ray rdej...@gmail.com wrote: I will 2nd Joshua's statement. If it's not in base or epel, I consider how much I really need it. I will sometimes use dag, being careful any packages i get do not conflict with base/epel packages. I always avoid Joe User 'oh hai i just figured out how to make an rpm' repositories. I would compile from source before using an unknown repo. And for God's sake, installing with '--nodeps' is NOT the fix to rpm dependency hell. If you do that, it's not rpm's fault. That's like running 'rm -rf /lib' and then complaining that the rm command hosed up your system. ray On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Joshua Frugé joshuafr...@gmail.com wrote: From my experience the problems come in when you start using external repos/rpms. If it's not in the base repos, or epel, don't install it. Just like with MS, drink the kool aid, if red hat doesn't give it to you, you don't need it (or more likely, you need the right os to fit your purpose). On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 2:47 AM, mat branyon mat.bran...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories/ Rpmforge helps a lot I haven't used centos in over a year though. I am debian monkey now. I haven't really experienced dependency hell with yum, but holy shit, yum is slow. At least ports/portage is spitting some info out at you that let's you know something is happening. Also: sup In addendum: san antonio? Can't say much, still in denver over here... Conclusion: I hate rpm too -mat On Aug 7, 2012 11:18 PM, John Hebert johnalexheb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've started using Linux (CentOS 6) in preparation to take the RHCSA Exam 200. I was previously running WinXP (the dreaded FPS monkey had me) and only ran Linux in VMs or a dual-boot config for learning. I work in a big iron AIX environment, so I get my UNIX jollies that way. The first thing that struck me was that RPM is still the same elephant in the room no one mentions, just three years older. Is it just me? Am I missing some magic tool out there? I get my hopes up every time I see the message Resolving dependencies... only to have them dashed again and again, with the response Errors: this rpm requires that rpm and this other one too, and while you're at it, you should probably get this one as well, even though its name has nothing to do with the rpm you want. And the insanity repeats itself, but now I am Googling for other rpms located on sites with more ads than good search results. It would be more truthful if the Package Installer's response was Sit and wait while I tell you how you have failed me. It's your fault. You should have known what I need and where to get it. And then it gives you the silent treatment. You try again a few more times, but the effort is usually more than the reward. In the end, nothing gets resolved. You tell yourself you don't need that rpm, that you can live without it and move on. But it's just a lie. Yum seems to have stricter standards for package distribution and the local databases are cool, but it still seems I don't have right repos setup. Is there some master site listing the yum repos and the packages available there? RPM based package management is a muddled, mish-mash misnomer. I want something like Gentoo's portage, or OpenBSD's ports tree. Ok, there are not as many software packages available, but you KNOW that up front, and not after going through many gyrations of the Resolving dependencies ... madness. The time and frustration spent in attempting to manually resolve rpms could have been better spent in compiling code form source, which to me is a lot of fun and a chance to learn something. Frustrated in San Antonio. ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
[brlug-general] Why is RPM still a pain in the neck?
Hello, I've started using Linux (CentOS 6) in preparation to take the RHCSA Exam 200. I was previously running WinXP (the dreaded FPS monkey had me) and only ran Linux in VMs or a dual-boot config for learning. I work in a big iron AIX environment, so I get my UNIX jollies that way. The first thing that struck me was that RPM is still the same elephant in the room no one mentions, just three years older. Is it just me? Am I missing some magic tool out there? I get my hopes up every time I see the message Resolving dependencies... only to have them dashed again and again, with the response Errors: this rpm requires that rpm and this other one too, and while you're at it, you should probably get this one as well, even though its name has nothing to do with the rpm you want. And the insanity repeats itself, but now I am Googling for other rpms located on sites with more ads than good search results. It would be more truthful if the Package Installer's response was Sit and wait while I tell you how you have failed me. It's your fault. You should have known what I need and where to get it. And then it gives you the silent treatment. You try again a few more times, but the effort is usually more than the reward. In the end, nothing gets resolved. You tell yourself you don't need that rpm, that you can live without it and move on. But it's just a lie. Yum seems to have stricter standards for package distribution and the local databases are cool, but it still seems I don't have right repos setup. Is there some master site listing the yum repos and the packages available there? RPM based package management is a muddled, mish-mash misnomer. I want something like Gentoo's portage, or OpenBSD's ports tree. Ok, there are not as many software packages available, but you KNOW that up front, and not after going through many gyrations of the Resolving dependencies ... madness. The time and frustration spent in attempting to manually resolve rpms could have been better spent in compiling code form source, which to me is a lot of fun and a chance to learn something. Frustrated in San Antonio. ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
