Re: Direction of Gump
On 2023-03-05, Mark Thomas wrote: >> I'm not suggesting terminating Gump but I wonder whether there is any >> benefit in keeping it as a TLP if no other project is interested >> anymore. > What are the other options if it isn't a TLP? Close it down > obviously. Anything else? Things that come to my mind: * ask the Tomcat PMC to take over oversight * turn it into an infrastructure offering Neither of both would mean the people who currently participate (you, Mark :-) have to stop doing so. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@gump.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@gump.apache.org
Re: Direction of Gump
Hey Gentlemen, I have been struggling to maintain connection with ASF for many years (since my technology life went a different direction) and, despite good intentions, I struggle to show up at meetings/pass along my proxy, etc. I finally accepted the reality and went to emeritus last year, in the main to lower the member count for quorum (i.e. my presence but lack of participation was costing others.) Since ASF is about community over code, I do wonder if Gump is ready to accept the reality that it was never a perfect fit for a TLP at ASF, and (if what I read between the lines on here) that its community benefit has waned with time. Maybe it could be shut down as a TLP and move as a tool for Tomcat? regards, Adam On Sun, Mar 5, 2023 at 10:18 AM Mark Thomas wrote: > On 19/02/2023 11:56, Stefan Bodewig wrote: > > Hi all > > > > after Gump's last board report one of the members asked whether we > > aren't disturbed by not adding any new committers for many years now > > (actually I don't believe anybody who is a not a PMC member already has > > posted anything to ths list for years). > > > > And whether Gump really mostly is on life-support for the benefit of > > Tomcat. Given that the only person who has done anything for a long time > > has been Mark and he has done so for the benefit of Tomcat, this may be > > a proper description of where we are. > > I think it is a shame many of the projects have moved away from Gump > over the years. But we are where we are. > > Tomcat continues to get some benefit from Gump although it is mostly > early warning of changes to default cipher suites in OpenSSL and we > haven't have that many of those changes over the last few years. > > I think it is fair to say only Tomcat is benefiting from Gump now. > > > TBH I don't see Gump adding new projects anymore > > Agreed. > > > and my personal > > involvement has been reduced to writing more or less the same report > > every quarter - mainly checking it still accurately describes the > > situation. > > > > I'm not suggesting terminating Gump but I wonder whether there is any > > benefit in keeping it as a TLP if no other project is interested > > anymore. > > What are the other options if it isn't a TLP? Close it down obviously. > Anything else? > > Mark > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@gump.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@gump.apache.org > > -- Adam R. B. Jack https://www.neukadye.com https://adamjack.wordpress.com/
Re: Direction of Gump
On 19/02/2023 11:56, Stefan Bodewig wrote: Hi all after Gump's last board report one of the members asked whether we aren't disturbed by not adding any new committers for many years now (actually I don't believe anybody who is a not a PMC member already has posted anything to ths list for years). > And whether Gump really mostly is on life-support for the benefit of Tomcat. Given that the only person who has done anything for a long time has been Mark and he has done so for the benefit of Tomcat, this may be a proper description of where we are. I think it is a shame many of the projects have moved away from Gump over the years. But we are where we are. Tomcat continues to get some benefit from Gump although it is mostly early warning of changes to default cipher suites in OpenSSL and we haven't have that many of those changes over the last few years. I think it is fair to say only Tomcat is benefiting from Gump now. TBH I don't see Gump adding new projects anymore Agreed. and my personal involvement has been reduced to writing more or less the same report every quarter - mainly checking it still accurately describes the situation. I'm not suggesting terminating Gump but I wonder whether there is any benefit in keeping it as a TLP if no other project is interested anymore. What are the other options if it isn't a TLP? Close it down obviously. Anything else? Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@gump.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@gump.apache.org
Board report Draft
Hi all https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GUMP/20230315 is the current draft, I'll send it out next Wednesday. This time it is not a verbatim copy of the report I keep sending but rather contains two extra paragraphs. In "Project Activity" > Triggered by the board feedback to the last report Stefan has started > a discussion on the future direction of Gump - see > https://lists.apache.org/thread/sfxpor1svn96vpw128os0crnhoyr3z57 > . Unfortunately not much discussion has happened, yet. and in "Community Health" > Apart from foundation wide announcements or infrastructure team > messages nobody has posted any message to the Gump mailing list or > asked for a change who is not a member of the Gump PMC already for the > last almost five years. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@gump.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@gump.apache.org
