RE: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)
Cliff Schmidt wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote on Monday, June 14, 2004 11:46 PM: > > Understanding that "BEA has absolutely no intention of dropping > > support of the XMLBeans project", do you feel that XMLBeans is ready > > to leave the Incubator, or would it benefit from further stay? > I think XMLBeans is ready to leave the Incubator. > > How do others in the community feel? > They seem to agree (mostly non-BEA folks, many non-committers, plus > our mentor and sponsor) > Should I call a vote of the XMLBeans PPMC for graduation on the > incubator list as Geronimo did last month? Seems so, Cliff. Check (and update) your STATUS. Where is XMLBeans going? How does XMLBeans entry into the XML project fit with the XML Federation strategy? I haven't answers, just asking that you line up your exit. Berin Lautenbach would probably have some thoughts. If you're exiting into XML, you won't need anything from the Board. We'll just need to get the Incubator and XML PMCs to do their thing. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
BTW, I should probably point out that I'm not a member of the Incubator PMC, just a guy who's been through this process and cares about making it easier. So, take this as my opinion based on experience and interpretation of the policy documents -- not an official PMC answer. Cliff Cliff Schmidt wrote on Thursday, June 17, 2004 6:01 PM: > I certainly understand your concern here, Martin. According to our > current Incubator policy document > (http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases%0A), > for an incubating project to create a release: > > 1. the release archive MUST contain the word "incubating" in the > filename; and > > 2. the release archive MUST contain an Incubation disclaimer, > clearly visible in the main documentation or README file. > (the disclaimer text can be found at > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Branding%0A). > > With these two basic requirements met, the Incubator PMC must still > vote to approve the release, but as you can see from the currently > running vote on the Lenya 1.2 distribution, most PMC members agree > with the making it easy for new projects to release early and often. > There's also a structure called a PPMC that will allow one vote to > cover all project committers plus the Incubator PMC. > > So, while I don't think it could quite be considered "a right", I > don't think you will have a problem with this if you follow the two > basic requirements and, of course, ensure that all intellectual > property in the distribution is properly licensed. > > Should you end up at Apache, I'd be happy to help you with any of > these release process issues. > > Cliff > > > Marinschek Martin wrote on Thursday, June 17, 2004 2:50 PM: > >> Ok, I have started filling out the proposal and requested some help >> from the other MyFaces-members, maybe we will need some more time to >> polish it up, but it should be not too bad at the moment; however, I >> have left out the technical stuff so far. >> >> Another question: The release policy is causing me headaches - as >> soon as we enter incubation, we are not allowed to release anymore >> except on "permission"; but our policy has always been to release >> early and often - what could we do about that, given that incubation >> time could last for some time and we had two releases (1.0.3 and >> 1.0.4) last month? Would that permission be a thing we would have to >> fight for or almost a "granted right" ;) - if we otherwise keep to >> the rules? If it is not, I am sure there will be some frictions >> coming up... >> >> Best regards, >> >> Martin >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:40 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? >> >> >> Martin, >> >> Please see http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeehiveProposal as a >> model, and prepare a similar one for MyFaces. It appears that there >> is sufficient interest, and I am prepared to call for a vote to >> incubate it. >> >> I've created an outline page for you to start: >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal >> >> Existing ASF Committers interested in participating, please add >> yourselves down in the sponsoring area, just to register your >> interest in helping. >> >> --- Noel >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
I certainly understand your concern here, Martin. According to our current Incubator policy document (http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases%0A), for an incubating project to create a release: 1. the release archive MUST contain the word "incubating" in the filename; and 2. the release archive MUST contain an Incubation disclaimer, clearly visible in the main documentation or README file. (the disclaimer text can be found at http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Branding%0A). With these two basic requirements met, the Incubator PMC must still vote to approve the release, but as you can see from the currently running vote on the Lenya 1.2 distribution, most PMC members agree with the making it easy for new projects to release early and often. There's also a structure called a PPMC that will allow one vote to cover all project committers plus the Incubator PMC. So, while I don't think it could quite be considered "a right", I don't think you will have a problem with this if you follow the two basic requirements and, of course, ensure that all intellectual property in the distribution is properly licensed. Should you end up at Apache, I'd be happy to help you with any of these release process issues. Cliff Marinschek Martin wrote on Thursday, June 17, 2004 2:50 PM: > Ok, I have started filling out the proposal and requested some help > from the other MyFaces-members, maybe we will need some more time to > polish it up, but it should be not too bad at the moment; however, I > have left out the technical stuff so far. > > Another question: The release policy is causing me headaches - as > soon as we enter incubation, we are not allowed to release anymore > except on "permission"; but our policy has always been to release > early and often - what could we do about that, given that incubation > time could last for some time and we had two releases (1.0.3 and > 1.0.4) last month? Would that permission be a thing we would have to > fight for or almost a "granted right" ;) - if we otherwise keep to > the rules? If it is not, I am sure there will be some frictions > coming up... > > Best regards, > > Martin > > -Original Message- > From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:40 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? > > > Martin, > > Please see http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeehiveProposal as a > model, and prepare a similar one for MyFaces. It appears that there > is sufficient interest, and I am prepared to call for a vote to > incubate it. > > I've created an outline page for you to start: > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal > > Existing ASF Committers interested in participating, please add > yourselves down in the sponsoring area, just to register your > interest in helping. > > --- Noel > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Chameleon proposal (update)
> I first hit the db.general list and Geir and Rodney form > that list told me to try here first. They are correct in that your code would have to come through the Incubator, but it would help if they, or someone, expressed an interest. The barrier to Incubation isn't terribly high, but every discussion on the subject has agreed that interest from within the ASF is part of it. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Lenya 1.2 incubation distribution
Noel J. Bergman wrote: ... allow Lenya to put out a clearly marked incubation distribution +1 -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Ok, I have started filling out the proposal and requested some help from the other MyFaces-members, maybe we will need some more time to polish it up, but it should be not too bad at the moment; however, I have left out the technical stuff so far. Another question: The release policy is causing me headaches - as soon as we enter incubation, we are not allowed to release anymore except on "permission"; but our policy has always been to release early and often - what could we do about that, given that incubation time could last for some time and we had two releases (1.0.3 and 1.0.4) last month? Would that permission be a thing we would have to fight for or almost a "granted right" ;) - if we otherwise keep to the rules? If it is not, I am sure there will be some frictions coming up... Best regards, Martin -Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? Martin, Please see http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeehiveProposal as a model, and prepare a similar one for MyFaces. It appears that there is sufficient interest, and I am prepared to call for a vote to incubate it. I've created an outline page for you to start: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal Existing ASF Committers interested in participating, please add yourselves down in the sponsoring area, just to register your interest in helping. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Lenya 1.2 incubation distribution
On 17.06.2004, at 21:11, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Is it already possible to end and summarize this vote? There is a request that we approve clearly marked incubation distribution of Lenya to help further community development. The request has the support for Steven Noels and others in the Lenya community. There has been considerable discussion on the state of the community in conjunction with this request. [X] Yes, allow Lenya to put out a clearly marked incubation distribution [ ] No, I object to such a distribution, on the grounds that: This vote will end Sat 2100 EDT. +1 (non-binding), if it's clearly marked as a release from a project undergoing incubation. Cheers, Erik smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [VOTE] Lenya 1.2 incubation distribution
On Jun 17, 2004, at 3:11 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Is it already possible to end and summarize this vote? There is a request that we approve clearly marked incubation distribution of Lenya to help further community development. The request has the support for Steven Noels and others in the Lenya community. There has been considerable discussion on the state of the community in conjunction with this request. [x] Yes, allow Lenya to put out a clearly marked incubation distribution [ ] No, I object to such a distribution, on the grounds that: This vote will end Sat 2100 EDT. IMO, it's invaluable in building the community and the code :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [VOTE] Lenya 1.2 incubation distribution
Noel J. Bergman wrote on Thursday, June 17, 2004 12:11 PM: >> Is it already possible to end and summarize this vote? > > There is a request that we approve clearly marked incubation > distribution of Lenya to help further community development. The > request has the support for Steven Noels and others in the Lenya > community. There has been considerable discussion on the state of > the community in conjunction with this request. > > [X] Yes, allow Lenya to put out a clearly marked incubation > distribution > [ ] No, I object to such a distribution, on the grounds +1 (non-binding) I think it is important for any incubating project to be able to create binary distributions as long as they follow the process outlined in http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases%0A. Cliff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Chameleon proposal (update)
Well, that is how I got onto this general list :-) I first hit the db.general list and Geir and Rodney form that list told me to try here first. Would it be appropriate to solict on their Torque, OJB or commons lists? Thanks Noel, Robert "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/17/2004 01:54 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc Subject RE: Chameleon proposal (update) Robert, If I compare the MyFaces proposal to Chameleon, the big difference to me is that we have a whole bunch of ASF folks expressing interest in MyFaces. So far, I am not seeing the same kind of interest in Chameleon. My suggestion is that you approach the DB project via their [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list, and solicit them on the project. If the DB PMC wants to vote to sponsor it for Incubation, that might be the best route for you. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** PLEASE NOTE *** This message, along with any attachments, may be confidential or legally privileged. It is intended only for the named person(s), who is/are the only authorized recipients. If this message has reached you in error, please notify the sender immediately and promptly destroy it without review. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thank you for your help. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[VOTE] Lenya 1.2 incubation distribution
> Is it already possible to end and summarize this vote? There is a request that we approve clearly marked incubation distribution of Lenya to help further community development. The request has the support for Steven Noels and others in the Lenya community. There has been considerable discussion on the state of the community in conjunction with this request. [ ] Yes, allow Lenya to put out a clearly marked incubation distribution [ ] No, I object to such a distribution, on the grounds that: This vote will end Sat 2100 EDT. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [REQUEST] Lenya 1.2 release endorsement and approval
> we're currently considering to end the code freeze, which would > be easier when the release is finished. Tag CVS. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Chameleon proposal (update)
Robert, If I compare the MyFaces proposal to Chameleon, the big difference to me is that we have a whole bunch of ASF folks expressing interest in MyFaces. So far, I am not seeing the same kind of interest in Chameleon. My suggestion is that you approach the DB project via their [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list, and solicit them on the project. If the DB PMC wants to vote to sponsor it for Incubation, that might be the best route for you. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Thanks for the info. I added myself to the sponsor list. -James -Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? Martin, Please see http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeehiveProposal as a model, and prepare a similar one for MyFaces. It appears that there is sufficient interest, and I am prepared to call for a vote to incubate it. I've created an outline page for you to start: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal Existing ASF Committers interested in participating, please add yourselves down in the sponsoring area, just to register your interest in helping. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Martin, Please see http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeehiveProposal as a model, and prepare a similar one for MyFaces. It appears that there is sufficient interest, and I am prepared to call for a vote to incubate it. I've created an outline page for you to start: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal Existing ASF Committers interested in participating, please add yourselves down in the sponsoring area, just to register your interest in helping. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chameleon proposal (update)
I have 2 individuals that have confirmed that they would contribute to the development. - Robert Robert McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/17/2004 08:17 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: Chameleon proposal Yea, it is a bit of a chicken and the egg thing :-) However, there is one developer, possibly two at my company that are interested and another two developers outside of my company that are interested as well. So far I have resisted the urge to hit some of the lists I'm on to gather up support as I know off-topic stuff isn't always that welcome. I believe that with Apache owning it and with it being a persistence engine that fills some needs not found in other persistence tools, it will thrive. I know that with db.apache already having two O/R mappers, three might seem like a crowd and while Chameleon can fit into the role of an O/R mapper, its scope it more general, and therefore potentially have a larger user base, than that of a straight O/R system. As for source, I just zipped up the source and put in on the site at: http://www.bull-enterprises.com/aom/source.zip. It doesn't include the forrest docs or the maven project files, but just the source and JUnit source. Eclipse has made me just a tad lazy about keeping the maven file up to date, but I can do so and provide those if anyone wants to do a build and execute the tests. Thanks, Robert Brian McCallister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/17/2004 05:53 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: Chameleon proposal Is there any code actually available right now? I couldn't find anything on the site. Is anyone involved with Chameleon's development besides yourself? (I know you are looking for additional developers, but is there anyone else right now? A stable community is a key component to an ASF project (which can seem like a chicken and egg problem at times)). -Brian *** PLEASE NOTE *** This message, along with any attachments, may be confidential or legally privileged. It is intended only for the named person(s), who is/are the only authorized recipients. If this message has reached you in error, please notify the sender immediately and promptly destroy it without review. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thank you for your help. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** PLEASE NOTE *** This message, along with any attachments, may be confidential or legally privileged. It is intended only for the named person(s), who is/are the only authorized recipients. If this message has reached you in error, please notify the sender immediately and promptly destroy it without review. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thank you for your help. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)
Noel J. Bergman wrote on Monday, June 14, 2004 11:46 PM: >> 6 BEA-employed committers + 5 independent committers > >> I think there is definitely sufficient community interest to keep the >> project going; however, it would probably move a lot slower if BEA >> were to drop XMLBeans today. > > Understanding that "BEA has absolutely no intention of dropping > support of the XMLBeans project", do you feel that XMLBeans is ready > to leave the Incubator, or would it benefit from further stay? I think XMLBeans is ready to leave the Incubator. > How do others in the community feel? They seem to agree (mostly non-BEA folks, many non-committers, plus our mentor and sponsor): http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&by=thread&from=803501 Noel, Based on this feedback, what would you suggest be the next steps? Should I call a vote of the XMLBeans PPMC for graduation on the incubator list as Geronimo did last month? Should any other steps be taken first? Thanks, Cliff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [REQUEST] Lenya 1.2 release endorsement and approval
Rolf Kulemann wrote: Hello Lenya Mentors and Incubators, the Lenya community wants to perform a release (while being under incubation). With this mail the community wants to carry out (1) the formal request for the endorsement of our mentors, Stefano and Steven, and (2) the request for release approval at the incubator pmc as defined in the incubation policy. [...] Is it already possible to end and summarize this vote? If no: - Are there any pending tasks for the Lenya community? - Is it possible to estimate the remaining time of the vote? I'm asking because we're currently considering to end the code freeze, which would be easier when the release is finished. Thanks in advance! -- Andreas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chameleon proposal
Yea, it is a bit of a chicken and the egg thing :-) However, there is one developer, possibly two at my company that are interested and another two developers outside of my company that are interested as well. So far I have resisted the urge to hit some of the lists I'm on to gather up support as I know off-topic stuff isn't always that welcome. I believe that with Apache owning it and with it being a persistence engine that fills some needs not found in other persistence tools, it will thrive. I know that with db.apache already having two O/R mappers, three might seem like a crowd and while Chameleon can fit into the role of an O/R mapper, its scope it more general, and therefore potentially have a larger user base, than that of a straight O/R system. As for source, I just zipped up the source and put in on the site at: http://www.bull-enterprises.com/aom/source.zip. It doesn't include the forrest docs or the maven project files, but just the source and JUnit source. Eclipse has made me just a tad lazy about keeping the maven file up to date, but I can do so and provide those if anyone wants to do a build and execute the tests. Thanks, Robert Brian McCallister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/17/2004 05:53 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: Chameleon proposal Is there any code actually available right now? I couldn't find anything on the site. Is anyone involved with Chameleon's development besides yourself? (I know you are looking for additional developers, but is there anyone else right now? A stable community is a key component to an ASF project (which can seem like a chicken and egg problem at times)). -Brian *** PLEASE NOTE *** This message, along with any attachments, may be confidential or legally privileged. It is intended only for the named person(s), who is/are the only authorized recipients. If this message has reached you in error, please notify the sender immediately and promptly destroy it without review. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thank you for your help. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chameleon proposal
Is there any code actually available right now? I couldn't find anything on the site. Is anyone involved with Chameleon's development besides yourself? (I know you are looking for additional developers, but is there anyone else right now? A stable community is a key component to an ASF project (which can seem like a chicken and egg problem at times)). -Brian On Jun 16, 2004, at 3:52 PM, Robert McIntosh wrote: Any other thoughts regarding accepting this for incubation? Thanks, Robert McIntosh "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/09/2004 09:56 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc Subject RE: proposal I am sending this proposal to the incubator list to see if there is any interest for a new persistence project. it is not just an O/R mapper, but a generic persistence engine that can be used as an O/R mapping tool. How does this compare with Torque (http://db.apache.org/torque/) and OJB (http://db.apache.org/ojb/)? Have others expressed interest in collaborating on this with you? --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** PLEASE NOTE *** This message, along with any attachments, may be confidential or legally privileged. It is intended only for the named person(s), who is/are the only authorized recipients. If this message has reached you in error, please notify the sender immediately and promptly destroy it without review. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thank you for your help. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Ok, As to tell you the current state and final result - I believe that all project members who have ever committed source-code have voted, but we will check that once more (just to be completely assured), I have counted 9 positive votes, and 1 reluctant neutral one, so we should be all set. So I would say it is your go for voting and (if deciding positively) setting up the PPMC now, dear maybe-incubators ;) Best regards, Martin -Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? > we will need some help - I guess the project mentor would be there to > do exactly that. We setup something called a PPMC, and there will be ASF folks helping you to adjust and become attuned to how things work in the ASF. :-) > regarding to infrastructure - it would be great to be able to shift > slowly, but I don't know if we have to do that before Incubation, or > if it can happen during Incubation?! You don't need to move everything at once. Some things could come later than others. First priority would be your developer mailing list and CVS, IMO. > If we have to move bug/issue-tracker, mailing lists... what about the > existing issues, bugs and mails? There is quite some amount in the > systems, is there some easy way you guys know of the get them over > from sourceforge to the respective tools used for that by the ASF? Several projects have moved their infrastructure without too much hassle. I'm not sure what can be done about moving issues. Moving the CVS modules is both important and fairly straightforward, IIRC. Given a list of people, we technically could subscribe them, but a general mail administration policy is that people should re-subscribe themselves, so that no one can claim that they were involuntarily subscribed (i.e., spammed). --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
