OpenWebBeans svn authorization (Was: Update Incubator Status Page)

2008-11-15 Thread David Crossley
Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
> 
> I am the comitter of the recently incubator OpenWebBeans. I tried to do tasks 
> that are explained in the http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html to 
> update OpenWebBeans site (to put it into the site-author/projects/index.xml, 
> and site-author/stylesheets/project.xml, also some updates in the 
> site-author/projects/openwebbeans.xml), but when I tried to commit it gives 
> the error : 
> 
> svn: Commit failed (details follow):
> svn: MKACTIVITY of 
> '/repos/asf/!svn/act/51fd909e-853a-4c12-83ff-c597a7a3379e': 403 Forbidden 
> (https://svn.apache.org)
> 
> I think, I have no permission to commit changes.
> 
> Is it possible to get this permission?

The accounts were already set up for you "gerdogdu" and
for Conny Lundgren "conny" but not yet added to the
Subversion authorisation. I just now did that, added the
mentors "matzew,kevan", and also added SVN configuration
for the "openwebbeans". Is that all correct?

So now you should be okay to do that commit.

-David

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Re: Fwd: Cassandra Open Source Hullabaloo / Project Management Proposal

2008-11-15 Thread Ian Holsman

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mr. Ian Holsman

So let me get this straight you want to hijack the project from the
original developers ,
so that you can run it at a larger scale in YOUR company ??
  


In a nutshell yes.

The original developers have not been present on the list for at least a 
month, where they answered 1-2 questions.


The 'patches' and contribution area of the project has been little 
better than dead since july. People have contributed patches, had them 
integrated into the original source, only to have them disappear in the 
next code that was 'thrown over' the wall from facebook. (one of the 
core developers words not mine).


The last time we have seen any code on the project was in September. The 
have promised something 'coming soon' which will have features facebook 
thinks is important. This is without any real consultation done to the 
others on the list about those features.


So overall I wouldn't call the project healthy, regardless of what the 
original intentions were. I had approached Avinash, about this over the 
last couple of months, where I heard that there was some internal issues 
at facebook that had prevented them working on it. This is no 'bomb' 
coming out of nowhere. They chose to ignore the message, and the natural 
outcome of this.


I was approached by some other developers who were equally as frustrated 
by this as I was. They had already forked the code and had started their 
own development trees which had integrated the patches they wanted and 
moved on with their own work.


I didn't like the direction I was seeing that heading (lots of people 
working on their own) so I proposed we put this forth as a incubator 
project so that the disparate developers can work on this together. They 
agreed so I volunteered to write the proposal and get the thing working.



So these are the ethics that you have learnt after being associated
with many so called cool open source projects,  why should anyone put
their blood and sweat into open source if scavengers like you are
circling the skies of open source.
  


very poetic.

I am doing this to save the technology from what I feel will be it's own 
demise. you are free to call me a 'scavenger' if you wish, as I am 
trying to take the best bits of a dead project and do something useful 
with it.


We could have just grabbed the idea (or go back to the original dynamo 
idea that it was built from) and started from scratch, would that be 
better than reusing the hard work already done?


I don't bear any ill will towards the developers themselves, but to be 
honest I think they are in between a rock and a hard place. I think they 
would like to contribute more, but something inside their company is 
holding them back, and maybe they don't have the full support of their 
management.  Maybe they can use this proposal to help them get more time 
to devote to the project so a fork might not be necessary, maybe it will 
stop facebook from contributing other projects in the future. I don't 
know. But right now I'm interested in reviving this project.


At the moment this is just a proposal. The choice on whether the fork 
will be accepted into incubation will be made by developers like 
yourself, and they will use their own ethics and judgement on what is 
best. 


but to reiterate.
- no code in at least 3 months.
- patches from the community not accepted, or accepted and vanished in 
the 'development' code branch
- decisions done behind closed doors, with little or no interaction with 
the community

- little or no communication by the developers over the last month or two
- code and features being 'thrown' to the open source community.

These are my reasons for a fork.

Ian Holsman.



On Nov 15, 2:05 pm, Ian Holsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

John Ryan wrote:


Here is a good suggestion from Jesse that Avinash forwarded to me.
  

Hi John.

Firstly  the name change was done out of respect, and to make sure that
people don't get confused if/when the original cassandra becomes viable.
There was no intention to not to acknowledge the people and company that
originally donated the code. Have a look at the various graduated apache
projects for evidence of that.

Secondly if you guys think this proposal will work, go for it. But to
me, I don't see how this addresses any of the fundamental problems
occurring here.
The main thing you need (imho) for a successful open source project is
ownership by the community of all aspects of the project so that it can
survive companies pulling out when their needs change.

What is being proposed here is that another group (SCADS in this case)
takes control of the open source side of  a project, with the promise
that they will merge the next code dump if it happens. In my eyes this
still puts the non-facebook people into a 2nd class citizen role. It
still has the core issue that there are 2 codebases, and major design
changes will happen behind closed doors, like they are currently
ha

[Proposal] Helenus - a Cassandra fork

2008-11-15 Thread Ian Holsman

Hi.

Cassandra is a distributed p2p storage engine, very similar to 'hbase', 
but with several other qualities that make it better suited to use in a 
web-frontend type work.


I'd like to propose a fork of the cassandra project. Since it was 
initially released by FaceBook, It hasn't really grown an active 
community around it.


In the last couple of months there has been no activity, and there is a 
promise of a new code-drop in the next couple of months, and no real 
commitment (in my eyes) to commit the patches contributed by the 
community back into the tree.


The 2 employees of facebook who were initially wrote the software seem 
to have been redeployed to another project, or have been given other 
priorities by their management, and as such the project seems dead for 
all purposes.


Several people who plan to use the project in their companies have 
banded together and want to fork the project so that they keep the 
project alive, and build a community around it to grow it.


I suggested we do this on the incubator, as it has experience building 
communities around code.


Regards
Ian
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http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HelenusProposal

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Update Incubator Status Page

2008-11-15 Thread Gurkan Erdogdu
Hi;

I am the comitter of the recently incubator OpenWebBeans. I tried to do tasks 
that are explained in the http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html to 
update OpenWebBeans site (to put it into the site-author/projects/index.xml, 
and site-author/stylesheets/project.xml, also some updates in the 
site-author/projects/openwebbeans.xml), but when I tried to commit it gives the 
error : 

svn: Commit failed (details follow):
svn: MKACTIVITY of '/repos/asf/!svn/act/51fd909e-853a-4c12-83ff-c597a7a3379e': 
403 Forbidden (https://svn.apache.org)

I think, I have no permission to commit changes.

Is it possible to get this permission?

Thanks;



  

Re: [VOTE] Accept Stonehenge into the Incubator

2008-11-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Stonehenge proposal has been around for discussion for a while,
> and we now have a wide set of contributors and mentors, so I'd like to
> call a vote. I know there are some other potential mentors and or
> contributors still considering getting involved, but the normal Apache
> process of course allows that at any time.
>
> The proposal is here:
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/StonehengeProposal
>
> And also included at the end:
>
> Please vote +1 to accept, or -1 with reasons to not accept as a podling.

+1

- robert

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Stonehenge

2008-11-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Senaka Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Michael Champion
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I'd also point out that there are free SDKs and Express versions of most
>> of the Microsoft development tools [1], targeted at non-commercial
>> developers.  See  [2] for a neutral discussion of what has been left out of
>> the Express editions.
>> >
>> > So, while these tools are not open source, there are no barriers that I
>> know of against using them to build and test open source software.
>> >
>> > [1] http://www.microsoft.com/express/ (Designed for, but usable without
>> Silverlight)
>> > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Visual_Studio_Express
>>
>> great
>>
>> creating a short guide to getting involved in open source on .NET
>> might help stronehenge encourage contributors
>
>
> +1. Also, there are some ASF projects that use .NET technologies as of
> present (ex:- Lucene, [1]), that might IMHO, be worth taking a look at.

yeh - once stonehenge has a good page, the mentors should probably
look to move the content into the apache development site
(http://www.apache.org/dev) and link in.

- robert

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Stonehenge

2008-11-15 Thread Senaka Fernando
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Michael Champion
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'd also point out that there are free SDKs and Express versions of most
> of the Microsoft development tools [1], targeted at non-commercial
> developers.  See  [2] for a neutral discussion of what has been left out of
> the Express editions.
> >
> > So, while these tools are not open source, there are no barriers that I
> know of against using them to build and test open source software.
> >
> > [1] http://www.microsoft.com/express/ (Designed for, but usable without
> Silverlight)
> > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Visual_Studio_Express
>
> great
>
> creating a short guide to getting involved in open source on .NET
> might help stronehenge encourage contributors


+1. Also, there are some ASF projects that use .NET technologies as of
present (ex:- Lucene, [1]), that might IMHO, be worth taking a look at.

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/lucene.net.html

Regards,
Senaka

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Re: [VOTE] Abdera Graduation to TLP

2008-11-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Garrett Rooney
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After some brief discussion here and a vote on the Abdera private
> list, it seems everyone is in favor of this, so I'd like to propose
> that we ask the board to make Abdera a new TLP.  It's been quite the
> long incubation process (started in May 2006!), but I think the Abdera
> community, while small, is now diverse enough that I have no question
> as to its ability to survive as its own Apache project.
>
> So please vote away.  A +1 vote is for sending the following motion to
> the board for its approval.

+1

- robert

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Stonehenge

2008-11-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Michael Champion
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd also point out that there are free SDKs and Express versions of most of 
> the Microsoft development tools [1], targeted at non-commercial developers.  
> See  [2] for a neutral discussion of what has been left out of the Express 
> editions.
>
> So, while these tools are not open source, there are no barriers that I know 
> of against using them to build and test open source software.
>
> [1] http://www.microsoft.com/express/ (Designed for, but usable without 
> Silverlight)
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Visual_Studio_Express

great

creating a short guide to getting involved in open source on .NET
might help stronehenge encourage contributors

- robert

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Re: [REPORTS] missing: Abdera BlueSky Buildr Droids Hama JSecurity Lokahi Olio PDFBox PhotArk Tashi VCL WSRP4J XAP

2008-11-15 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 08:34 +0100, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Please add your reports at
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/November2008 Real Soon.

Sorry, for the delay. We just added the report.

salu2

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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Qpid Graduation - for top level

2008-11-15 Thread Paul Fremantle
Congratulations!

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Carl Trieloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>
>> It is with the support of our mentors and a community vote on our dev list
>> that Qpid
>> would like to graduate. In our last graduation vote the incubator PMC felt
>> that the
>> Qpid project should increase its diversity. Over the intervening months
>> Qpid has
>> added more independents to the project & PPMC, bringing the diversity to 7
>> legally
>> independent parties (not counting those mentors who will stay on to help
>> advise), with
>> the PPMC diversity at 5 legally independent parties (also not counting
>> mentors).
>>
>> Qpid also continues to attract more contributors (both independents and
>> large corporates),
>> so the committer pool and diversity should continue to expand as
>> contributors are voted
>> in as committers.
>>
>> Qpid has also made an additional release since the last graduation attempt
>> and is currently
>> working through close down of the next release. Qpid was accepted into the
>> incubator
>> August 2006.
>>
>
> Binding - names listed at: http://incubator.apache.org/whoweare.html
>
> (8 +1 binding)
>
> Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Craig L Russell  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Paul Fremantle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Ant Elder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> (2 +1 non-binding)
>
> Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Luciano Resende [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> no (0 or -1 votes)
>
> Many thanks to all those involved and that voted on the community vote
> etc... I will now
> pass the resolution onto the board.
>
> Carl.
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