Deltacloud Mentors, an Infra issue requires your attention.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2867 Thanks :-) Gav... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Role of Incubator PMC Votes
James can I interpret your statement that this would rather be a -0 or -0.1? Stating that there is no veto but that you personally don't like it ;) LieGrue, strub --- On Thu, 9/9/10, James Carman wrote: > From: James Carman > Subject: Re: Role of Incubator PMC Votes > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 7:17 PM > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Greg > Stein > wrote: > > > > As I said, I haven't followed it. I meant if the -1 > was a veto. If the > > IPMC was vetoing a podling's choices on stuff like > this. If you're > > only using a vote as a preference/opinion marker, then > sure... > > definitely no problems with that! > > > > The vote was stated to be a majority-rules vote, so my -1 > was merely > an indication of my opinion about the name. I > normally wouldn't get > into the podling's business (I don't troll their lists), > but they did > ask for the votes on the general list. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Role of Incubator PMC Votes
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 14:11, Kalle Korhonen > wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Greg Stein wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 08:47, James Carman >>> wrote: >>> I haven't followed this particular issue because it seems like a >>> slamdunk easy thing. If the podling wants to change their name, then >>> fine. Sounds easy enough. I would see no reason for anybody outside >>> the podling to -1 that choice, and might even say that I'd be upset if >>> they did... >> >> Sure, the podling can change the name and it can be completely dealt >> with an internal matter. However, in this case, the name change was >> put up for a procedural/opinion vote on the incubator general list. As >> such, I might be upset if people are criticized for giving "the wrong >> vote". Most non-positive votes in the thread are non-binding so the >> project can ignore them if they like, but if you don't want the >> opinion, don't put it up for a vote. > > As I said, I haven't followed it. I meant if the -1 was a veto. If the > IPMC was vetoing a podling's choices on stuff like this. If you're > only using a vote as a preference/opinion marker, then sure... > definitely no problems with that! That vote is majority rules, so the IPMC could in effect overrule the project - the "preference/opinion" had already previously been gathered. In any case, I was using that instance to ask the broader question of why we (IPMC) get binding votes on project matters. It seems to me that the healthy thing to do is closer to the board model where we trust projects to do the right thing, ask for an ack, and then only challenge the project on the basis of a legal/release/trademark/etc issue. If we tell the projects that you have to re-vote with the peanut gallery, then the peanut gallery effect is predictable. Those votes, for example, are because they don't *like* the new name personally, not because there's any real problems with it. --tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Role of Incubator PMC Votes
For this type of vote, my -1 just means I'm against. It's not a veto. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Mark Struberg wrote: > James can I interpret your statement that this would rather be a -0 or -0.1? > Stating that there is no veto but that you personally don't like it ;) > > LieGrue, > strub > > --- On Thu, 9/9/10, James Carman wrote: > >> From: James Carman >> Subject: Re: Role of Incubator PMC Votes >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 7:17 PM >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Greg >> Stein >> wrote: >> > >> > As I said, I haven't followed it. I meant if the -1 >> was a veto. If the >> > IPMC was vetoing a podling's choices on stuff like >> this. If you're >> > only using a vote as a preference/opinion marker, then >> sure... >> > definitely no problems with that! >> > >> >> The vote was stated to be a majority-rules vote, so my -1 >> was merely >> an indication of my opinion about the name. I >> normally wouldn't get >> into the podling's business (I don't troll their lists), >> but they did >> ask for the votes on the general list. >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Role of Incubator PMC Votes
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Tim Williams wrote: > > That vote is majority rules, so the IPMC could in effect overrule the > project - the "preference/opinion" had already previously been > gathered. In any case, I was using that instance to ask the broader > question of why we (IPMC) get binding votes on project matters. It > seems to me that the healthy thing to do is closer to the board model > where we trust projects to do the right thing, ask for an ack, and > then only challenge the project on the basis of a > legal/release/trademark/etc issue. > > If we tell the projects that you have to re-vote with the peanut > gallery, then the peanut gallery effect is predictable. Those votes, > for example, are because they don't *like* the new name personally, > not because there's any real problems with it. > Nobody told them to re-vote in this situation. They took it upon themselves to ask the IPMC. If you ask for opinions from people, you're going to get them. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Role of Incubator PMC Votes
another small comment: if folks only like to get an opinion, then don't call a [VOTE] but instead a [DISCUSS] opinion poll. Because a vote is a vote is a vote... LieGrue, strub --- On Fri, 9/10/10, James Carman wrote: > From: James Carman > Subject: Re: Role of Incubator PMC Votes > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 10:53 AM > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Tim > Williams > wrote: > > > > That vote is majority rules, so the IPMC could in > effect overrule the > > project - the "preference/opinion" had already > previously been > > gathered. In any case, I was using that instance to > ask the broader > > question of why we (IPMC) get binding votes on project > matters. It > > seems to me that the healthy thing to do is closer to > the board model > > where we trust projects to do the right thing, ask for > an ack, and > > then only challenge the project on the basis of a > > legal/release/trademark/etc issue. > > > > If we tell the projects that you have to re-vote with > the peanut > > gallery, then the peanut gallery effect is > predictable. Those votes, > > for example, are because they don't *like* the new > name personally, > > not because there's any real problems with it. > > > > Nobody told them to re-vote in this situation. They > took it upon > themselves to ask the IPMC. If you ask for opinions > from people, > you're going to get them. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Role of Incubator PMC Votes
On 9/10/10 8:18 AM, Mark Struberg wrote: > another small comment: if folks only like to get an opinion, then don't call > a [VOTE] but instead a [DISCUSS] opinion poll. > > Because a vote is a vote is a vote... > > LieGrue, > strub To be clear, we where asking for a [VOTE] and not a [DISCUSS] - we wanted the vote to ratify our own vote on the subject. There was already a long discussion on general and the connectors mailing list - tons of discussion actually. At this point, we have taken that discussion into consideration and ran a vote. We are now not seeking opinions about how the results of our vote sucks in someones personal opinion - but a vote on whether the name chosen by the community can go forward. Take that for what it's worth - but we already collected many opinions over a couple weeks I think. - Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Role of Incubator PMC Votes
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Mark Miller wrote: > > To be clear, we where asking for a [VOTE] and not a [DISCUSS] - we > wanted the vote to ratify our own vote on the subject. There was already > a long discussion on general and the connectors mailing list - tons of > discussion actually. At this point, we have taken that discussion into > consideration and ran a vote. We are now not seeking opinions about how > the results of our vote sucks in someones personal opinion - but a vote > on whether the name chosen by the community can go forward. > > Take that for what it's worth - but we already collected many opinions > over a couple weeks I think. > If that's the case, then I have no objection to you guys (the PPMC) deciding on your own. I have no objection to the name change. It just appeared as though you were asking for our opinion on the name. I think you could have just asked for an acknowledgment from IPMC about the name change. That probably would have sufficed in this case. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Deltacloud Mentors, an Infra issue requires your attention.
On 09/10/2010 05:31 AM, Gav... wrote: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2867 Thanks :-) Gav... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org Thanks, I'll take to the project and resolve. Thanks Carl. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > For reference: > > * Subversion created its dev list in April 2000. > * The user list was created in July 2003. 238 messages were posted that month. > > As you can see, we waited a very long time before sending users to > their own list. Our dev list was very heavily trafficked by our users. > It kept the larger community together until the point where they could > safely work on their own. I think my post at the time gives light as to why we waited so long and why I felt it was time for the user list to be created: http://svn.haxx.se/dev/archive-2003-07/1363.shtml BTW, those 238 messages in July all came in 10 days... =P -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
