Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On 10/06/11 17:02, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation I may have missed the vote it being over a weekend and me not checking my mail until work hours, but being in GMT0BST I think I'm still in time. I've also read through the other votes to help shape my own. -1 (non binding) * This may not foster an OSS community -just split a growing one in a way that benefits two large vendors (Oracle, IBM) rather than the world as a whole. In particular, a large chunk of the ongoing LibreOffice team are against this proposal, and I'd be happier being on good terms with the rest of the OSS world than with anyone else. * A code dump without the oracle engineering team is going to be a hard thing to work with. If the majority of people who work on the ASF codebase are IBM FTEs, the knowledge of the codebase doesn't spread, and when IBM decide to re-assign the engineers (as has happened with Axis and Harmony), the knowledge of the code will go away. Sanjiva can vouch for that, having helped pick up the pieces of one of those projects (and done a good job of it :) * It's a mass-market consumer OSS project on a par with firefox, not the developer-centric tooling or server-side platforms we've historically been involved in. If my mother has a problem with OpenOffice on her (Ubuntu 10.4) laptop, I can't tell her to download SVN trunk and debug the problem then submit a patch, as she can't even get the font settings right in Yahoo! mail to stop it sending emails out in Courier 36. * Although it's key download bandwidth may be on Windows, it is the key office-compatible platform in the Linux world, which is why I run it on all my office PCs. That bandwidth doesn't get measured, as it comes from the RHEL, CentOS, Ubuntu, SuSE and, um, Oracle repositories. Linux hasn't suffered by being GPL, and IBM are happy to work within that license constraint, so why not say you want to stay on the trunk of the open-office derivative works? Embrace GPL! * I don't see why the ASF should do Oracle any favours, not given their past behaviour w.r.t the Java TCK, and their apparent willingness to sue google on what may be apparent patent issues within the Apache codebase. You can't sue someone over one bit of code and then at the same time say let's be friends, on what may be just a way to gain some tax kickback by donating a half-dead brand to an open source project. * I've not been happy with some of the discussions here were some of the evangelists of the proposal -who have never been seen on any ASF project I've ever encountered- suddenly seem to be knowledgeable about Apache's goals and intentions that myself. I get the feeling the ASF is being used as one of those pawns in a technology cold war we'll trade Cuba for Hungary. Case in point: press releases announced this before anything else, implies to me a propaganda effort rather than progress. The momentum is with TdF, that's where its home should be, and the ASF, Oracle and IBM should accept and acknowledge that fact. -Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 (non-binding) Greetings Raphael Am 10.06.11 18:02, schrieb Sam Ruby: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities. The initial
ManifoldCF: Another mentor needed?
Hi, The ManifoldCF project just lost Grant Ingersoll as a mentor, who resigned last Tuesday. ManifoldCF has been incubating since January 2010 and basically provides a framework and connectors for synchronizing content from a set of repositories to a set of target search engines, with security. Although Tommaso Teofili joined recently, we could really use the full complement of three mentors, so I was wondering if there are any additional interested parties wanting to function in this capacity for ManifoldCF. Please let us know! Karl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
-1 As a foundation, we are optimized to support delivery of open source code, it seems to me OOo and its user/community/the public would be best served by an organization built for the delivery of a finished end-user product. OOo would be such an anomaly for us I fear would lead to an embarrassing chapter. --tim On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value
Re: Request: Can proposed committers introduce themselves?
Hi, I'm with the OpenOffice.org code base since the very first beginning. While still being an Oracle employee, my engagement here will be on an individual base. Here are some aspects of my OOo history in a nutshell: - started at Star Division as lead developer of the Impress application C++ implementation in core and UI, integration of the Drawing Layer, Edit Engine, SFX, etc. - project lead of the graphics project at OOo kicked off the graphics project which includes Impress, Draw, Chart, Drawing Engine, etc. - project lead of the i18n project at OOo kicked off the i18n project which focus on all aspects of internationalization and Unicode support - co-lead of the performance project at OOo kicked off the performance project which takes care of startup and load/save performance - member of the OOo engineering steering committee - coaching internal (at Star Division, Sun and Oracle) and external developers over years, intensive team building - deep knowledge about the office market and product requirements - deep knowledge about building and delivering OOo releases in time and in best quality ODF related work - helped to initiate the ODF standardization at OASIS - helped to initiate the ODF Toolkit project at odftoolkit.org - member of the engineering steering committee of the odftoolkit.org project I would love to see one united OpenOffice.org project and hope that this Apache project can be the base of all OOo flavors. Regards, Dieter Am 07.06.11 19:12, schrieb robert_w...@us.ibm.com: By my count we have now have over 60 individuals listed on as proposed committers for the Apache OpenOffice project. I think this is a respectable start, though obviously the project will need to have a strong commitment to recruiting additional developers and growing the project further, On the list are many names on the list familiar to me, some from the OpenOffice.org community, some ODF experts, some involved in training and certification, some in globalization, some from downstream projects, commercial and open source, Symphony, RedOffice, EducOOo, even some TDF/LO names. There are also a lot of names that I do not recognize. This is good as well. I may have need of some new friends soon ;-) I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to introduce yourself to your future collaborators on Apache OpenOffice. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 (non-binding) Regards, Dieter Am 10.06.11 18:02, schrieb Sam Ruby: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities. The initial
Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
+1 (binding) sau2 On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 22:43 -0500, Richard Frovarp wrote: Please vote on the release cndidate for Apache Droids Incubating, version 0.1-incubating. I've received one binding IPMC +1 votes and 2 non-binding +1 votes. PPMC release vote thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-droids-dev/201106.mbox/%3c4de7d6cc.8080...@apache.org%3E Source files: http://people.apache.org/~rfrovarp/droids/ Maven staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachedroids-011/ SVN source tag (r1127762): https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/droids/tags/0.1-incubating/ PGP release keys (signed using 3698A2B1): https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/droids/KEYS [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 Thanks, Richard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Thorsten Scherler thorsten.at.apache.org codeBusters S.L. - web based systems consulting, training and solutions http://www.codebusters.es/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Hi, Sam Ruby wrote (10-06-11 18:02) Please cast your votes: a. - : because of the difficulties ahead, as mentioned on this list, for the OpenOffice.org product in the ASF (that may not be relevant for the AFS, but IMO are for OpenOffice.org), and since TDF for me is a more logical choice; b. + : because the many people from the OpenOffice.org project that I know and want to give the Apache OpenOffice.org a chance, which I think is fair too. Round (b-a) = +0 (non binding) Kind regards, Cor [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:02:44 -0400 Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: -1 (non-binding) I've agonised long and hard about this. Wouldn't it be fantastic to see Apache take on such a great trophy project? And of course we'll be best-of-friends with TDF despite perhaps a few vocal individuals? And in the worst case, incubation will show up weaknesses and rifts and the project will be reevaluated, either re-homed or pensioned off for TDF to pick over the bones. But against that, why have we been offered it in the first place? If this had happened before the split then I'd say great, but now it smells of politics. * Noone has explained why they want to donate to us in preference to TDF (the license issue doesn't wash given the history), only vague words about failing to reach agreement. * It feels like we're being handed a fait accomplit: take this project, or the kitty dies. Erm, excuse me? I expect that kind of railroading from someone who's paying for my time and effort, not from someone who expects it for free. Granted it's not easy to explain to the press that it's not a done deal, but they could at least have made the effort. * Who benefits? - Oracle and IBM have evidently decided it's in their interests. Fine. That's their business, not ours. - The competition? MS has no direct interest. Could go either way for them, as for us. - TDF? They get to cannibalise our work if they so choose. But by the same token, that's work that wasn't contributed to them in the first place. - The smaller companies? I don't hear a unified voice. - The public? More choice for the elite, confusion for the many. Too much kerfuffle in FOSS-land, better stick to MS. - ASF? That's the only one that matters to us, isn't it? * Well, we get a big trophy project, lots of attention. Good press if we make a success of it, bad press if we fail. But that's asymmetric: the good press benefits us little (we don't need it), while the bad could seriously damage the brand. * We also get a new project so big it's sure to rock the boat, bring in a new culture. Once it's in the incubator it has momentum: regardless of what happens, failure to graduate becomes an epic fail for us. * We have a huge community to absorb: we don't know that their values match ours. We do know that a number of them with Apache-like values of *community* and *open development* split off and formed TDF. So perhaps those who *don't* share such values are overrepresented in the non-TDF community? We may be faced with individuals who are absolutely key to OOO yet incompatible with ASF, so we can neither take them on nor exclude them. * It's outside our core competence. This kind of takeover has been damaging for many ambitious corporations. Having said all that, if we do accept it for incubation then I'll be actively doing my best to make it a success. -- Nick Kew Available for work, contract or permanent. http://www.webthing.com/~nick/cv.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[VOTE][RESULT] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Binding votes are ones that are cast by Incubator PMC members. Quorum is 3 binding +1 yes votes. Once quorum is met, if more +1 votes are received than -1, the vote carries. Otherwise, the vote fails. Vote started on Friday, June 10th at 12:02pm EDT: http://s.apache.org/VgS Voting is now closed. Quorum was achieved, and the vote passes. Voting results: --- Summary --- Binding: +1: 41 --: 1 -0: 1 -1: 5 Non-binding: +1: 45 +0: 2 ±0: 1 -0: 1 -1: 8 --- Details --- Binding: +1 aadamchikAndrus Adamchik +1 adc Alan Cabrera +1 akarasuluAlex Karasulu -- antelder Anthony Elder +1 ate Ate Douma +1 bdelacretaz Bertrand Delacretaz +1 bimargulies Benson Margulies +1 brettBrett Porter +1 clr Craig Russell +1 curcuru Shane Curcuru +1 danese Danese Cooper +1 dims Davanum Srinivas +1 dirkxDirk-Willem van Gulik +1 elecharnyEmmanuel Lecharny -0 gnodet Guillaume Nodet +1 grobmeierChristian Grobmeier +1 gstein Greg Stein +1 jim Jim Jagielski +1 joes Joe Schaefer +1 jukkaJukka Zitting +1 jvermillard Julien Vermillard +1 kevanKevan Lee Miller +1 leosimonsLeo Simons +1 lresende Luciano Resende +1 marrsMarcel Offermans +1 marvin Marvin Humphrey +1 mattmann Chris Mattmann +1 mturkMladen Turk -1 niallp Niall Pemberton +1 nick Nick Burch -1 niclas Par Niclas Hedhman +1 noel Noel J. Bergman +1 noirin Noirin Plunkett +1 paulsKarl Pauls -1 psteitz Phil Steitz +1 rdonkin Robert Burrell Donkin +1 rgardler Ross Duncan Gardler +1 rgoers Ralph Goers +1 rhirsch Richard Hirsch +1 rubysSam Ruby -1 sanjiva Sanjiva Weerawarana +1 sdeboy Scott Deboy +1 stoddard Bill Stoddard +1 struberg Mark Struberg -1 twilliamsTim Williams +1 upayaviraUpayavira +1 wroweWilliam A. Rowe Jr. +1 zwoopLeif Hedstrom Non-binding: +1 aaf Alexei Fedotov +0 aku Andreas Kuckartz +1 asavory Andrew Savory +1 bayard Henri Yandell +1 damjan Damjan Jovanovic (v) +1 eric Eric Charles +1 edwardsmjMike Edwards +1 florent Florent André (v) +1 jkosin James Kosin -1 stevel Steve Loughran +1 mikemccand Michael McCandless -1 niq Nick Kew +1 ngn Niklas Gustavsson +1 rickhall Richard S. Hall -0 seelmann Stefan Seelmann +1 scottbw Scott Wilson +1 sgalaSantiago Gala +1 svanderwaal Sander van der Waal +1 wave Dave Fisher (v) +1 yegorYegor Kozlov (v) +1 --- Eric Bachard (v) +1 --- Mathias Bauer (v) -1 --- Thorsten Behrens +1 --- Stephan Bergmann (v) +1 --- Raphael Bircher (v) +1 --- Andy Brown (v) +1 --- Alexandro Colorado (v) -1 --- Keith Curtis -1 --- Florian Effenberger +1 --- Roman H. Gelbort (v) +1 --- Pedro Giffuni +1 --- Larry Gusaas +1 --- Daniel Haischt +1 --- Dennis E. Hamilton (v) +1 --- Don Harbison (v) +1 --- Kazunari Hirano (v) +1 --- Christoph Jopp +1 --- Steve Lee (v) +1 --- Dieter Loeschky (v) +1 --- Ian Lynch (v) +1 --- Carl Marcum (v) +1 --- Marcus +1 --- Ingrid von der Mehden (v) -1 --- Volker Merschmann +0 --- Cor Nouws +1 --- Simon Phipps ±0 --- Manfred A. Reiter +1 --- Phillip Rhodes (v) +1 --- Andrew Rist (v) +1 --- Jürgen Schmidt (v) -1 --- André Schnabel +1 --- Jomar Silva (v) +1 --- Louis Suárez-Potts (v) +1 --- Malte Timmermann (v) +1 --- Jochen Wiedmann +1 --- Donald Whytock -1 --- Simos Xenitellis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Congratulations to all who want this to happen! Now lets do our best to make it a success. For all the new committers: Welcome to the ASF. I wish a good time here with lots of fun. Cheers, Christian On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Binding votes are ones that are cast by Incubator PMC members. Quorum is 3 binding +1 yes votes. Once quorum is met, if more +1 votes are received than -1, the vote carries. Otherwise, the vote fails. Vote started on Friday, June 10th at 12:02pm EDT: http://s.apache.org/VgS Voting is now closed. Quorum was achieved, and the vote passes. Voting results: --- Summary --- Binding: +1: 41 --: 1 -0: 1 -1: 5 Non-binding: +1: 45 +0: 2 ±0: 1 -0: 1 -1: 8 --- Details --- Binding: +1 aadamchik Andrus Adamchik +1 adc Alan Cabrera +1 akarasulu Alex Karasulu -- antelder Anthony Elder +1 ate Ate Douma +1 bdelacretaz Bertrand Delacretaz +1 bimargulies Benson Margulies +1 brett Brett Porter +1 clr Craig Russell +1 curcuru Shane Curcuru +1 danese Danese Cooper +1 dims Davanum Srinivas +1 dirkx Dirk-Willem van Gulik +1 elecharny Emmanuel Lecharny -0 gnodet Guillaume Nodet +1 grobmeier Christian Grobmeier +1 gstein Greg Stein +1 jim Jim Jagielski +1 joes Joe Schaefer +1 jukka Jukka Zitting +1 jvermillard Julien Vermillard +1 kevan Kevan Lee Miller +1 leosimons Leo Simons +1 lresende Luciano Resende +1 marrs Marcel Offermans +1 marvin Marvin Humphrey +1 mattmann Chris Mattmann +1 mturk Mladen Turk -1 niallp Niall Pemberton +1 nick Nick Burch -1 niclas Par Niclas Hedhman +1 noel Noel J. Bergman +1 noirin Noirin Plunkett +1 pauls Karl Pauls -1 psteitz Phil Steitz +1 rdonkin Robert Burrell Donkin +1 rgardler Ross Duncan Gardler +1 rgoers Ralph Goers +1 rhirsch Richard Hirsch +1 rubys Sam Ruby -1 sanjiva Sanjiva Weerawarana +1 sdeboy Scott Deboy +1 stoddard Bill Stoddard +1 struberg Mark Struberg -1 twilliams Tim Williams +1 upayavira Upayavira +1 wrowe William A. Rowe Jr. +1 zwoop Leif Hedstrom Non-binding: +1 aaf Alexei Fedotov +0 aku Andreas Kuckartz +1 asavory Andrew Savory +1 bayard Henri Yandell +1 damjan Damjan Jovanovic (v) +1 eric Eric Charles +1 edwardsmj Mike Edwards +1 florent Florent André (v) +1 jkosin James Kosin -1 stevel Steve Loughran +1 mikemccand Michael McCandless -1 niq Nick Kew +1 ngn Niklas Gustavsson +1 rickhall Richard S. Hall -0 seelmann Stefan Seelmann +1 scottbw Scott Wilson +1 sgala Santiago Gala +1 svanderwaal Sander van der Waal +1 wave Dave Fisher (v) +1 yegor Yegor Kozlov (v) +1 --- Eric Bachard (v) +1 --- Mathias Bauer (v) -1 --- Thorsten Behrens +1 --- Stephan Bergmann (v) +1 --- Raphael Bircher (v) +1 --- Andy Brown (v) +1 --- Alexandro Colorado (v) -1 --- Keith Curtis -1 --- Florian Effenberger +1 --- Roman H. Gelbort (v) +1 --- Pedro Giffuni +1 --- Larry Gusaas +1 --- Daniel Haischt +1 --- Dennis E. Hamilton (v) +1 --- Don Harbison (v) +1 --- Kazunari Hirano (v) +1 --- Christoph Jopp +1 --- Steve Lee (v) +1 --- Dieter Loeschky (v) +1 --- Ian Lynch (v) +1 --- Carl Marcum (v) +1 --- Marcus +1 --- Ingrid von der Mehden (v) -1 --- Volker Merschmann +0 --- Cor Nouws +1 --- Simon Phipps ±0 --- Manfred A. Reiter +1 --- Phillip Rhodes (v) +1 --- Andrew Rist (v) +1 --- Jürgen Schmidt (v) -1 --- André Schnabel +1 --- Jomar Silva (v) +1 --- Louis Suárez-Potts (v) +1 --- Malte Timmermann (v) +1 --- Jochen Wiedmann +1 --- Donald Whytock -1 --- Simos Xenitellis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- http://www.grobmeier.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Binding votes are ones that are cast by Incubator PMC members. Quorum is 3 binding +1 yes votes. Once quorum is met, if more +1 votes are received than -1, the vote carries. Otherwise, the vote fails. Vote started on Friday, June 10th at 12:02pm EDT: http://s.apache.org/VgS Voting is now closed. Quorum was achieved, and the vote passes. Voting results: Mondo rad. But one quick question what does the (v) mean, listed after some of the names in the voter list? Phil
[DISCUSS] how to add many committers to a new project (was: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation)
Hey hey, On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: +1 binding. Given the sheer number of committers involved in this podling there will be some work to do trying to gel a coherent development community out of the group. While I am optimistic, I am reminded of Roy's cautions about piling on [1] to a prospective podling, and am not entirely convinced that it's necessarily a good thing that we promote the idea of getting in on the ground floor wrt new podlings. [1]- http://s.apache.org/VT5 Perhaps one approach the podling could take at the guidance of its mentors is to create accounts on demand. I.e. first order of business is getting basic infrastructure up (I think everyone is looking forward to having traffic on general@incubator back to normal -:) ), next up is getting the initial code import. Next after that you start adding in the people that have sent in CLAs and are wanting to touch the code/website/etc. That's what harmony did. It helped the project get into a mode of voting in new people frequently, and it also helped make visible to the project that it was ok if you didn't show up on day 0. cheers... Leo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On 6/13/2011 11:26 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Binding votes are ones that are cast by Incubator PMC members. Quorum is 3 binding +1 yes votes. Once quorum is met, if more +1 votes are received than -1, the vote carries. Otherwise, the vote fails. Vote started on Friday, June 10th at 12:02pm EDT: http://s.apache.org/VgS Voting is now closed. Quorum was achieved, and the vote passes. Voting results: Mondo rad. But one quick question what does the (v) mean, listed after some of the names in the voter list? A (v)olunteer on the committer roster - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Phillip Rhodes motley.crue@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Binding votes are ones that are cast by Incubator PMC members. Quorum is 3 binding +1 yes votes. Once quorum is met, if more +1 votes are received than -1, the vote carries. Otherwise, the vote fails. Vote started on Friday, June 10th at 12:02pm EDT: http://s.apache.org/VgS Voting is now closed. Quorum was achieved, and the vote passes. Voting results: Mondo rad. But one quick question what does the (v) mean, listed after some of the names in the voter list? I meant to either explain that or remove it. Oh well. :-) That was my own personal notation as to which people had volunteered to be committers. It doesn't have an effect on the vote, but perhaps others will find it interesting. Phil - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On 6/13/2011 11:31 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Phillip Rhodes Mondo rad. But one quick question what does the (v) mean, listed after some of the names in the voter list? I meant to either explain that or remove it. Oh well. :-) That was my own personal notation as to which people had volunteered to be committers. It doesn't have an effect on the vote, but perhaps others will find it interesting. And I was picturing a whole group of supporters in Guy Fawkes masks donning black capes... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] how to add many committers to a new project (was: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation)
If you read Roy's thread you'd have known that what you're suggesting was put forth by Noel, and Roy responded by basically saying that putting mentors in charge of a codebase they did not work on was a mistake: http://s.apache.org/3h4 - Original Message From: Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 12:31:00 PM Subject: [DISCUSS] how to add many committers to a new project (was: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation) Hey hey, On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: +1 binding. Given the sheer number of committers involved in this podling there will be some work to do trying to gel a coherent development community out of the group. While I am optimistic, I am reminded of Roy's cautions about piling on [1] to a prospective podling, and am not entirely convinced that it's necessarily a good thing that we promote the idea of getting in on the ground floor wrt new podlings. [1]- http://s.apache.org/VT5 Perhaps one approach the podling could take at the guidance of its mentors is to create accounts on demand. I.e. first order of business is getting basic infrastructure up (I think everyone is looking forward to having traffic on general@incubator back to normal -:) ), next up is getting the initial code import. Next after that you start adding in the people that have sent in CLAs and are wanting to touch the code/website/etc. That's what harmony did. It helped the project get into a mode of voting in new people frequently, and it also helped make visible to the project that it was ok if you didn't show up on day 0. cheers... Leo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
OpenOffice.org next steps
I've divided up the list of proposed committers into four categories, based on their current status. --- Have IDs: damjan Damjan Jovanovic florentFlorent André grobmeier Christian Grobmeier gstein Greg Stein jimJim Jagielski lrosen Lawrence Rosen rdonkinRobert Burrell Donkin wave David Fisher yegor Yegor Kozlov These inidividuals can be added immediately --- Have ICLAs on file, but no ids: Mathias Bauer Raphael Bircher Simon Brouwer Andrew Brown Arthur Buijs Jian Hong Cheng Jin Hua Chen Dennis E. Hamilton Don Harbison Drew Jensen Christoph Jopp Steve Lee Yong Lin Ma Carl Marcum Phillip Rhodes Andrew Rist Lei Wang Zhe Wang Jian Fang Zhang Next steps: I'll contact each to get preferred UNIX ids: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#newcommitter (Note: in cases where they differ, I'll be using the email addresses from the ICLA, not from the proposal) IDs selected should not match an already issued id: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html --- Need ICLAs: Fred-Juan DIAZ Eike Rathke Marcelo Horacio Fortino Cyril Beaussier Carl Symons Jaime R. Garza Patrick Maupin Stephane Quenson Wolf Halton Jomar Silva Stefan Taxhet Christian Lippka imacat Miguel Á. Ríos Kent Åberg Ben Bois Dieter Loeschky Roman Gelbort Eric Bachard Manfred Reiter Herbert Duerr Ingrid von der Mehden Ivo Hinkelmann Juergen Schmidt Juan C. Sanz Alexandro Colorado Kai Ahrens Kazunari Hirano Kai Sommerfeld Luis E. Vasquez Louis Suárez-Potts Maho NAKATA Eric Hoch Mechtilde Stehmann Martin Hollmichel Michael Stehmann Marcus Lange Michael Stahl Malte Timmermann Olaf Felka Peter Junge Allen Pulsifer Zoltán Reizinger Stephan Bergmann Dave McKay Graham Lauder Fernand Vanrie Hong Yun An Shu Wang Han Heng Lee Chao Sun Fernando Cassia Dave Barton Ian Lynch Next step: each should send in an ICLA http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt In about a week, I'll send out reminders to those who have not. --- Not part of the approved proposal, need approval: Joanmarie Diggs Peter Korn Jean Hollis Weber This is for the PPMC to vote in http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html#Voting+in+a+new+committer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
A (v)olunteer on the committer roster me too, if allowed M. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com wrote: A (v)olunteer on the committer roster me too, if allowed Oversight on my part. One that has no bearing on the process. Next step for you is to send in an ICLA. http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt M. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: --- Have IDs: damjan Damjan Jovanovic florent Florent André grobmeier Christian Grobmeier gstein Greg Stein jim Jim Jagielski lrosen Lawrence Rosen rdonkin Robert Burrell Donkin wave David Fisher yegor Yegor Kozlov Unintentionally omitted from this list: robweir Rob Weir If anybody spots any more mistakes, please report them. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[OpenOffice] Status page
I just added the incubator status page. Due to the high number of committers, would it be ok to add the committer names once the (iclas accounts) are fine? Would like to avoid names in the list, who have thought to step up, but then declined for some reason later. I am referring to the project as OpenOffice.org, not as OpenOffice. Hope thats fine too If OK, I will update the incubator stie now. Cheers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
Hi Sam, Sam Ruby wrote: I've divided up the list of proposed committers into four categories, based on their current status. --- Have IDs: damjan Damjan Jovanovic florentFlorent André grobmeier Christian Grobmeier gstein Greg Stein jimJim Jagielski lrosen Lawrence Rosen rdonkinRobert Burrell Donkin wave David Fisher yegor Yegor Kozlov These inidividuals can be added immediately --- Have ICLAs on file, but no ids: Mathias Bauer Raphael Bircher Simon Brouwer Andrew Brown My name seems to be missing. I forward a copy of the acceptance email. Arthur Buijs Jian Hong Cheng Jin Hua Chen Dennis E. Hamilton Don Harbison Drew Jensen Christoph Jopp Steve Lee Yong Lin Ma Carl Marcum Phillip Rhodes Andrew Rist Lei Wang Zhe Wang Jian Fang Zhang Next steps: I'll contact each to get preferred UNIX ids: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#newcommitter (Note: in cases where they differ, I'll be using the email addresses from the ICLA, not from the proposal) IDs selected should not match an already issued id: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html --- Need ICLAs: Fred-Juan DIAZ Eike Rathke Marcelo Horacio Fortino Cyril Beaussier Carl Symons Jaime R. Garza Patrick Maupin Stephane Quenson Wolf Halton Jomar Silva Stefan Taxhet Christian Lippka imacat Miguel Á. Ríos Kent Åberg Ben Bois Dieter Loeschky Roman Gelbort Eric Bachard Manfred Reiter Herbert Duerr Ingrid von der Mehden Ivo Hinkelmann Juergen Schmidt Juan C. Sanz Alexandro Colorado Kai Ahrens Kazunari Hirano Kai Sommerfeld Luis E. Vasquez Louis Suárez-Potts Maho NAKATA Eric Hoch Mechtilde Stehmann Martin Hollmichel Michael Stehmann Marcus Lange Michael Stahl Malte Timmermann Olaf Felka Peter Junge Allen Pulsifer Zoltán Reizinger Stephan Bergmann Dave McKay Graham Lauder Fernand Vanrie Hong Yun An Shu Wang Han Heng Lee Chao Sun Fernando Cassia Dave Barton Ian Lynch Next step: each should send in an ICLA http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt In about a week, I'll send out reminders to those who have not. --- Not part of the approved proposal, need approval: Joanmarie Diggs Peter Korn Jean Hollis Weber What is required to get these approved? This is for the PPMC to vote in http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html#Voting+in+a+new+committer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: Andrew Brown My name seems to be missing. I forward a copy of the acceptance email. The email addresses didn't match. I'll send you a separate email (using the email address provided on the ICLA) on the process for requesting an id. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
Christian Grobmeier wrote: Joanmarie Diggs Peter Korn Jean Hollis Weber What is required to get these approved? http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html#Voting+in+a+new+committer The Podling PMC need to vote these people in. If these people are already known to the current team, this should be straightforward Thanks for the info/link. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
If I can get a few volunteer list moderators I'll go ahead and create the mailing lists. - Original Message From: Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 1:07:46 PM Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org next steps On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: --- Have IDs: damjan Damjan Jovanovic florentFlorent André grobmeier Christian Grobmeier gstein Greg Stein jimJim Jagielski lrosen Lawrence Rosen rdonkinRobert Burrell Donkin waveDavid Fisher yegor Yegor Kozlov Unintentionally omitted from this list: robweir Rob Weir If anybody spots any more mistakes, please report them. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: If I can get a few volunteer list moderators I'll go ahead and create the mailing lists. I'll be glad to moderate. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
I'll be glad to moderate too. Danese On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.comwrote: If I can get a few volunteer list moderators I'll go ahead and create the mailing lists. - Original Message From: Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 1:07:46 PM Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org next steps On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: --- Have IDs: damjan Damjan Jovanovic florentFlorent André grobmeier Christian Grobmeier gstein Greg Stein jimJim Jagielski lrosen Lawrence Rosen rdonkinRobert Burrell Donkin waveDavid Fisher yegor Yegor Kozlov Unintentionally omitted from this list: robweir Rob Weir If anybody spots any more mistakes, please report them. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
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From: Danese Cooper dan...@gmail.com
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Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 2:11:15 PM
Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
I'll be glad to moderate too.
Danese
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.comwrote:
If I can get a few volunteer list moderators I'll go ahead
and create the mailing lists.
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From: Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 1:07:46 PM
Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net
wrote:
--- Have IDs:
damjan Damjan Jovanovic
florentFlorent André
grobmeier Christian Grobmeier
gstein Greg Stein
jimJim Jagielski
lrosen Lawrence Rosen
rdonkinRobert Burrell Donkin
wave David Fisher
yegor Yegor Kozlov
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robweir Rob Weir
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Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
I see this is too late to count but I offer my thoughts anyway. It was already late before it lurked in an outbox for a while. [-1] (non-binding) Vote to reject the OpenOffice.org PROPOSAL I reject the proposal not the community or the project. I am still a bit of an open source newb and do not have a long history with either the code base, IP issues or the community. Please be free to correct or work around my misapprehensions. Please accept my remarks as offered in the spirit of contribution to the proposal's goal of continuing the creation, as a community, [of] the leading international office suite. I am a TDF contributor but that is not the reason I reject the proposal as it stands. I am powerfully drawn to contribute to ASF and the OO project, despite my preference for an LGPL license. [1] I do not see the primary goals and interests of the Apache OpenOffice.org community and the TDF community as divergent. I believe that all open source branches of the OpenOffice family tree (linked by their still mostly common code base) will thrive best when they all thrive. The primary reasons I must reject this proposal (not the project!) come from my understanding of ASF and from a few years of maintenance development on a large old app: 1) The Rationale doesn't work for me at all: Both Oracle and ASF agree that the OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. -1A) This sentence speaks for ASF. I have seen several emails where this is frowned upon within the Apache community, but I will assume the true Sponsor (the Incubator) can speak as ASF through the proposal (back to itself?). A bit convoluted for the Rationale. More to the point is TDF's first value: We commit ourselves to eliminate the digital divide in society by giving everyone access to office productivity tools free of charge to enable them to participate as full citizens in the 21st century. -- http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Next_Decade_Manifesto -1B) The 're-uniting a fragmented development community' meme is disingenuous or just plain wrong. The permissive nature of the Apache license is called pragmatic because it is intended to allow and encourage a variety of proprietary downstream development branches: this is a fragmentation of development effort, nu? Also, LibreOffice development with its maturing timed release schedule and replacement of OpenOffice in many Linux distros is neither a figment nor a fragment. -1C) The Rationale for the project might simply change 'agree' to 'intend' and 'would re-unite' to 'could re-unite' to break down the resemblance to the Borg's infamous 'assumed close' technique. [2] 2) The Meritocracy section is broken. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor [...] want to encourage this style of development for the project. Leaving aside the veracity, what does IBM as Sponsor mean? The Incubator site says the Sponsor must be part of Apache - here the true Sponsor is the Apache Incubator. And I don't think 'IBM as Sponsor of ASF' works either. Open, democratic and transparent aren't about style - they are requirements for success and graduation. 3) The missings: 3A) Initial Goals section: It is sudden (tho' not surprising), a bit of a mess, all new and there is a lot to sort out. The Initial Goals could be a series of assertions of 'by when' critical aspects will get sorted out. -- Accessible, buildable repo: Unless it's just about to happen, this is initial goal 1. -- If the build system, code, artwork, etc have IP issues that make a dev repo unavailable then they become goal 0. -- Germ of Release Plan: Release what? when? OK, then: By when goals set = initial goal -- Idea of Core Team: how many FTers? From where? How many others to balance as community? Enough in #? Enough in coverage? How many community + non-sponsored developers to balance that into a community project? (by when have #s) 3B) There is other suggested content here -- http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html -- that appears to be germane in this case of a large, established (OO has code older than Apache) project with a history checkered by 'management issues'. 3C) The Community section is missing translators, help/doc and only lists users and only infers the presence of national orgs with supporter[sic], promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an extended ecosystem. In fact, the whole Community section reads like a business analysis: it speaks almost entirely about various releases. And as either a business analysis or community description it fails to mention the centralizing OOo brand. The flaws in Rationale, Meritocracy and Community with missing Initial Goals all add up to this stopper: -- The proposal doesn't just have hat problems, it looks like the case of The Wrong Trousers. [3] The proposal has existed a couple weeks and drawn
Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote:
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Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
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Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
Am 13.06.11 21:07, schrieb Andy Brown:
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Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 13, 2011 11:31 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: The private list should only be subscribed to by folks who have already submitted an ICLA and account request id to Sam. To clarify: some people already have IDs, such as myself. If you're on Sam's list as such, go ahead and subscribe. Also note that any IPMC Member and any ASF Member is allowed to be on that list. There are usually quite a few non-project lurkers. Note: if you are an ASF member, and wish to subscribe to this list using an ID other than your apache.org id, please make sure that that id is listed in members.txt. I've already got two moderation requests for ids that look like they might be from ASF members, but it is much easier for me to verify this if I can match it to members.txt. Thanks! You're being watched. cue ominous music :-) Cheers, -g - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
Sam Ruby wrote on Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 15:48:37 -0400: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 13, 2011 11:31 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: The private list should only be subscribed to by folks who have already submitted an ICLA and account request id to Sam. To clarify: some people already have IDs, such as myself. If you're on Sam's list as such, go ahead and subscribe. Also note that any IPMC Member and any ASF Member is allowed to be on that list. There are usually quite a few non-project lurkers. Note: if you are an ASF member, and wish to subscribe to this list using an ID other than your apache.org id, please make sure that that id is listed in members.txt. I've already got two moderation requests for ids that look like they might be from ASF members, but it is much easier for me to verify this if I can match it to members.txt. Thanks! or MailAlias.txt (we could just throw that in ldap too...) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
Op 13-6-2011 22:14, Daniel Shahaf schreef: Sam Ruby wrote on Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 15:48:37 -0400: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Greg Steingst...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 13, 2011 11:31 AM, Joe Schaeferjoe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: The private list should only be subscribed to by folks who have already submitted an ICLA and account request id to Sam. To clarify: some people already have IDs, such as myself. If you're on Sam's list as such, go ahead and subscribe. Also note that any IPMC Member and any ASF Member is allowed to be on that list. There are usually quite a few non-project lurkers. Note: if you are an ASF member, and wish to subscribe to this list using an ID other than your apache.org id, Do you mean the email addres used to subscribe? please make sure that that id is listed in members.txt. Where is members.txt? -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer. | http://nl.openoffice.org | http://www.opentaal.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Simon Brouwer simon.o...@xs4all.nl wrote: Op 13-6-2011 22:14, Daniel Shahaf schreef: Sam Ruby wrote on Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 15:48:37 -0400: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Greg Steingst...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 13, 2011 11:31 AM, Joe Schaeferjoe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: The private list should only be subscribed to by folks who have already submitted an ICLA and account request id to Sam. To clarify: some people already have IDs, such as myself. If you're on Sam's list as such, go ahead and subscribe. Also note that any IPMC Member and any ASF Member is allowed to be on that list. There are usually quite a few non-project lurkers. Note: if you are an ASF member, and wish to subscribe to this list using an ID other than your apache.org id, Do you mean the email addres used to subscribe? For new PPMC members, the subscription needs to be one that I can verify as being associated with the ICLA that was provided. please make sure that that id is listed in members.txt. Where is members.txt? In the ASF member private subversion repository. Daniel also pointed out that there is yet another place that committers can which provides a similar function, but that requires me to do two separate verifications (that the subscriber is an ASF member and that the subscriber has a MailAlias. Of course, if I need to do this enough, I'm prone to simply write a script that will help out, so I guess that's not a problem. -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer. | http://nl.openoffice.org | http://www.opentaal.org | - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
Presumably though the private list is an exception-handling venue and we should just get started on ooo-...@incubator.apache.org for now? Or am I missing key insights here? S.
Re: OpenOffice.org next steps
Correct. 99% of the time the private list is used for voting in new committers/PPMC members. The dev list is the all other business list for the project. - Original Message From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 5:41:27 PM Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org next steps Presumably though the private list is an exception-handling venue and we should just get started on ooo-...@incubator.apache.org for now? Or am I missing key insights here? S. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Infrastructure and Data for... End-Users of OpenOffice.org
Hi Robert, thanks for your mail ... one may notice that my reply is a bit late, so I'm glad that I disclaimer-ed the available time in advance *g* So, if anybody is still interested in this topic, here we go ... Am Dienstag, den 07.06.2011, 17:03 +0100 schrieb Robert Burrell Donkin: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote: [...] Sorry for talking about such stuff in such a great detail, but my aim was to make clear that the Joe Averages we have (and we have lots of them), don't care about licensing details, or whether the code is well structured, or what build machinery is used. Instead, they judge whether a product fits to their needs (in this moment). +1 [...] So just to name a few tools we have/had at OOo which I still consider to be important in the mid- and long-term: * User survey tooling and data, including different questionnaires with over 3 million detailed responses * Usage data backend and data, covering millions of user actions to create statistics for development decisions * ... Sounds like ensuring that all documents that need to be included within the grant is going to be important Okay, then please allow me to list them within the mail - it would be great if anybody could pick those information to use them appropriately. I'll try to add a personal judgment how important I think these information are in the mid- to long-term. ISSUE TRACKER CONTENT Description: The complete content of the OOo issue tracker including all votes, attachments and keywords. Rationale: Many development decisions and also (partly) specifications are documented within the issue tracker. Furthermore, there is a basic vote system to enable community members to highlight issues to be worked on (from their POV). Source: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/query.cgi Importance: Mid-High WIKI CONTENT Description: Selected wiki content including all linked data. Rationale: The wiki contains development processes, ideas, and also (partly) specifications that may be important for future use - to ensure consistency. Source: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org Importance: Mid USAGE TRACKING BACKEND AND CONTENT Description: Also known as OpenOffice.org Improvement Program, or OpenOffice.org User Feedback. More detailed, OpenOffice.org sends (if the user permits) usage statistics to a server hosted by Oracle in Hamburg. This closed-source backend both receives the data and transforms it, so that (e.g.) the User Experience team is able to analyze it. Important is both the backend (for analyzing changes in OpenOffice.org) and the already available data (for development reasons). Rationale: Due to the complexity of OpenOffice.org, the usage data is very important for design decisions that affect a majority of the user base (e.g. UI changes). Source (basic documentation, no backend source code): http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/OpenOffice.org_User_Feedback_Program Importance: High Note: * A plain export (numbers) is less sufficient, since it doesn't contain dependencies between the individual recorded user actions. * I'm not sure who might be contacted, but maybe the Oracle guys on this list can shed some light on that (that would be great!) USER SURVEY STRUCTURE AND CONTENT Description: The User Experience Team did several user surveys and collected an incredible amount of user feedback (approx. 3 million filled-out questionnaires). Thus, this item refers to both the user survey structure (can be exported), and the data. Importance: Mid-High Source (no code): * User Survey: http://surveys.services.openoffice.org * Description: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Phase_1#Who_are_our_users.3F Note: * The acquired data contains (helpful) text comments that may contain personal information. So if there are any legal concerns, the non-text data would be sufficiently helpful. * I have been told that a plain export from withing LimeSurvey doesn't work with the given number of data sets - so there is a need to do an export of the underlying database. SPECIFICATION DOCUMENTS Description: Specification documents that describe the behavior of OpenOffice.org or intended feature enhancements Rationale: Required to ensure consistent changes within OpenOffice.org. Usually, the specification documents contain essential information / requirements. Importance: Mid Source: * http://specs.openoffice.org/ * http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Specification Note: Some of these documents may only be available internally at Oracle, e.g. related to the upcoming Project Renaissance improvements. HELP AUTHORING TOOLS Description: The utilities (macros and xslt filter) for help authoring. They have moved out of the regular source-repository, but they are not
[PROPOSAL] Bigtop for the Apache Incubator
Hi,
I would like to propose Bigtop to be an Apache Incubator project.
Bigtop is a project for the development of packaging and tests of the
Hadoop ecosystem. The goal is to do testing at various levels
(packaging, platform, runtime, upgrade, etc...) developed by a
community with a focus on the system as a whole, rather than
individual projects.
Here's a link to the proposal on the wiki
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BigtopProposal
I've also included the initial contents below.
Cheers,
Tom
= Bigtop - Apache Hadoop Ecosystem Packaging and Test =
== Abstract ==
Bigtop - a project for the development of packaging and tests of the
Hadoop ecosystem.
== Proposal ==
The primary goal of Bigtop is to build a community around the
packaging and interoperability testing of Hadoop-related projects.
This includes testing at various levels (packaging, platform, runtime,
upgrade, etc...) developed by a community with a focus on the system
as a whole, rather than individual projects.
Build, packaging and integration test code that depends upon official
releases of the Apache Hadoop-related projects (HDFS, MapReduce,
HBase, Hive, Pig, ZooKeeper, etc...) will be developed and released by
this project. As bugs and other issues are found we expect these to be
fixed upstream.
== Background ==
The initial packaging and test code for Bigtop was developed by
Cloudera to package projects from the Apache Hadoop ecosystem and
provide a consistent, inter-operable framework.
== Rationale ==
Hadoop defines itself as:
{{{
The Apache Hadoop project develops open-source software for reliable,
scalable, distributed computing. Hadoop includes these subprojects:
* Hadoop Common: The common utilities that support the other Hadoop subprojects.
* HDFS: A distributed file system that provides high throughput access
to application data.
* MapReduce: A software framework for distributed processing of large
data sets on compute clusters.
}}}
There are also several other Hadoop-related projects at Apache. Some
TLP examples include HBase, Hive, Mahout, ZooKeeper, and Pig. There
are also several new projects in the Incubator such as HCatalog and
Sqoop.
There is limited interoperability testing done the projects
themselves. The intent of this project is to build a community where
the projects are brought together, packaged, and tested for
interoperability.
Projects such as Apache Whirr (incubating), which deploy and use a
collection of Hadoop-related projects, would benefit from the
interoperability testing done by Bigtop, rather than picking and
testing project combinations themselves.
== Initial Goals ==
Much of the code for Bigtop has been released by Cloudera under the
Apache 2.0 license for over two years.
Some current goals include:
* create a set of packages for the Hadoop ecosystem, over a wide
range of platforms
* interoperability test these projects
* document project sets that are known to work well together
Bigtop’s release artifact would consist of a single tarball of
packaging and test code that, when built, would produce source and
binary Linux packages for the upstream projects.
= Current Status =
== Meritocracy ==
Bigtop was originally developed and released as an open source
packaging infrastructure, CDH, by Cloudera.
== Community ==
The community is primarily the original developers at Cloudera,
however a number of contributions to the packaging specifications have
been accepted from outside contributors. Growing a diverse community
is the main reason to bring Bigtop to the Apache Incubator.
== Core Developers ==
The core developers for Bigtop project are:
* Andrew Bayer has extensive expertise with build tools, specifically
Jenkins continuous integration and Maven.
* Peter Linnell has contributed to the RPM packaging.
* Bruno Mahé has overseen much of the development of the RPM and
Debian packaging system.
* Roman Shaposhnik designed and implemented the system testing framework.
Many of the committers to the Bigtop project have contributed towards
Hadoop or related Apache projects (Alejandro Abdelnur, Eli Collins,
Patrick Hunt, John Sichi, Michael Stack, Tom White) and are familiar
with Apache principals and philosophy for community driven software
development.
== Alignment ==
We expect projects in Bigtop to be drawn from Hadoop and related
projects at Apache. Bigtop will complement these projects (Hadoop,
Pig, Hive, HBase, etc...) by providing an environment for contributors
interested in building more complex data processing pipelines to work
together integrating more than a single project into a well tested
whole.
= Known Risks =
== Orphaned Products ==
The contributors are leading vendors of Hadoop-based technologies and
have a long standing in the Hadoop community. There is minimal risk of
this work becoming non-strategic and the contributors are confident
that a larger community will form within the project in a relatively
short space of time.
== Inexperience with Open Source ==
*** Monthly reports missing ...
I know that it is early (as in the earliest that the meeting could possibly happen), but we're late. BeanValidation, Bluesky, Isis, and Wave are all missing from the Wiki. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: *** Monthly reports missing ...
Wave is already in the making - seems it has just been forgotten to add to the wiki. I pinged them On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 6:58 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: I know that it is early (as in the earliest that the meeting could possibly happen), but we're late. BeanValidation, Bluesky, Isis, and Wave are all missing from the Wiki. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- http://www.grobmeier.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
